POLL: Texas @ Texas A&M

Which is better for the Vols?

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#77
#77
Texas winning helps UT because they have more common opponents with UT. So Texas winning up's all those teams SoR/SoS which increases ours also. Texas losing would also be really bad for the SEC's playoff hopes... The loser of Texas UGA in SECCG would probably still make playoffs. The loser of UGA/A&M almost certainly would not. The SEC in a weeks time has went from why not 5 teams to hope we get 4 in all from self-inflicted wounds.

A&M played Florida and Arkansas.
Texas played Oklahoma, Arkansas, Vandy, Miss State, UGA, Florida and Kentucky.
 
#78
#78
mrmax86 said:
Wow, great discussion!

Here are my thoughts on the different scenarios concerning these 2 teams (there are 4). Disclaimer: These are all assuming the losing team of their conference game does NOT get punished for losing.

A&M Over Texas Week 14
A&M Over UGA in SECCG
  • A&M up to a position roughly 13-16 (not threatening Tennessee)
  • Texas drops right below us.
  • A&M makes the playoff.
  • A&M will be 4 or 12-seed
  • I do NOT expect UGA to drop below us as a result of losing the SECCG
  • We'd remain the 9-seed since neither UGA or Texas took a top-4 spot above us.
  • We'd play UGA at Athens in this scenario
A&M Over Texas Week 14
UGA Over A&M in SECCG
  • A&M up to a position roughly 13-16 (not threatening Tennessee)
  • Texas drops right below us.
  • UGA clinches 2 or 3-seed
  • We'd move up to the 8-seed since Texas dropped below us.
  • We'd host Texas at Neyland in this scenario
Texas over A&M Week 14
UGA over Texas in SECCG
  • UGA clinches 2 or 3-seed
  • I do NOT expect Texas to drop below us as a result of losing the SECCG
  • If they keep their position relative to other teams, they'd be the 6 seed.
  • We'd remain the 9-seed
  • We'd play Notre Dame at South Bend in this scenario
Texas over A&M Week 14
Texas over UGA in SECCG
  • Texas clinches 2-seed
  • I do NOT expect UGA to drop below us as a result of losing the SECCG
  • We'd remain the 9-seed
  • We'd play UGA at Athens in this scenario
Because of this, my opinion is that we no matter the scenario, we are 8/9. A&M winning this weekend gives us the only chance to host (unless something else crazy happens like Penn State/ND losing).

And I'll add that no matter what, we should root for UGA to win the SECCG because then we play an easier team in our first game (either Texas or ND).
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I agree except for in the first scenario.. I think if UGA lost to A&M in the SECCG they wouldn't make the playoffs. Best outcome for UT is the third Option UGA beating Texas in SECCG. UGA beating Texas would help our SoS quite a bit. I am pretty sure the If GUA and UT win out we are pretty much assured to finish ranked 6-7th. A little feeling in my soul has ND, Penn State or Miami losing this Saturday. Oregon has to play OSU and depending on how that turns out. If for instance Oregon boat races OSU and Penn State lost to unranked Maryland (PSU is OSU's best win). and don't laugh OSU has to play Michigan Saturday. This weekend for the BigTen could be what last week was for the SEC.

There are still fireworks to go down in the Big 12 and ACC also. Not to mention USCe vs Clemson and SMU vs Cal. Cal has been a lot better team than their record shows.. 4 of their 5 losses were by 5 points or less (5, 1, 2, 1) The other was 8 points to Syracuse (2-point conversion).
 
#80
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pimo1 said:
I agree except for in the first scenario.. I think if UGA lost to A&M in the SECCG they wouldn't make the playoffs. Best outcome for UT is the third Option UGA beating Texas in SECCG. UGA beating Texas would help our SoS quite a bit. I am pretty sure the If GUA and UT win out we are pretty much assured to finish ranked 6-7th. A little feeling in my soul has ND, Penn State or Miami losing this Saturday. Oregon has to play OSU and depending on how that turns out. If for instance Oregon boat races OSU and Penn State lost to unranked Maryland (PSU is OSU's best win). and don't laugh OSU has to play Michigan Saturday. This weekend for the BigTen could be what last week was for the SEC.

There are still fireworks to go down in the Big 12 and ACC also. Not to mention USCe vs Clemson and SMU vs Cal. Cal has been a lot better team than their record shows.. 4 of their 5 losses were by 5 points or less (5, 1, 2, 1) The other was 8 points to Syracuse (2-point conversion).
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I just can't wrap my head around the committee actually dropping Georgia under us because they did well enough to pay a 13th game and lost it.

I've heard it said that the Committee has said they won't penalize CCG losses...we will have to see. Playoff predictor has us with only a 21% chance to host a game.

I am also hoping for chaos all over the country yet again. Why not?

I will say that nothing that happens in the ACC, Big 12, or whatever G5 conference will help us. I think we are high enough now that if any of them rises up they'll stay below us. The ACC is the only one with a team above us and if they lose their CCG game then they will just drop out of the playoffs (or sneak in above Indiana). But the team that beats them will get their 2-3 seed.
 
#82
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mrmax86 said:
I just can't wrap my head around the committee actually dropping Georgia under us because they did well enough to pay a 13th game and lost it.

I've heard it said that the Committee has said they won't penalize CCG losses...we will have to see. Playoff predictor has us with only a 21% chance to host a game.

I am also hoping for chaos all over the country yet again. Why not?

I will say that nothing that happens in the ACC, Big 12, or whatever G5 conference will help us. I think we are high enough now that if any of them rises up they'll stay below us. The ACC is the only one with a team above us and if they lose their CCG game then they will just drop out of the playoffs (or sneak in above Indiana). But the team that beats them will get their 2-3 seed.
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It would depend on who they lost to. Losing to Texas the committee would accept that.. A&M is a tougher pill to swallow and again because of common opponents, it would affect them more negatively. Its no longer as simple as who you won or lost to its who they won or lost to and who you won or lost to.

With 3 losses UGA would drop behind UT no doubt. Bama losing hurt them a lot because its now less of a good loss than it was. Ole miss getting them cheeks clapped was also devastating. Losing to Texas would drop them to like 10 losing to A&M would drop them further and likely out of it all.

What happens in every major conference affects us because of common opponents. That is how SoS works and why it changes week to week. Its how Indianas SoS went from like 101 to 50 even though they lost from just playing OSU. The ACC affects us because of NC State. Them beating UNC would help our SoS by them getting bowl eligible. Miami losing helps us because they'd definitely drop behind us so those 2 games matter to UT directly in a positive way by improving our resume and muddying up the P4 pecking order. For UT as long as we beat Vandy as much chaos as possible is what we want. You are correct about G5 none of those games will affect us that damage has been done by Kansas already. It's the ACC's second team and whoever the 4th team is in the SEC that has to worry about G5 results. UT's playoff fate as far as in or out is all in our own hands.. where we get seeded is all about other teams and what they do. We could beat Vandy by 50 but if all other favorites win out we won't host.. chaos could put a game in Neyland.
 
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#83
#83
I’d hate for A&M get lucky and knock off Texas and Georgia…that would give them a first round bye and we might get pushed back another slot or possibly out of the playoff…so I’d just like to see Texas knock them out now…
 
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#84
#84
WiseOlVol said:
Texas is overrated.
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I agree but if Texas loses to A&M in a close game there’s a good chance they are still ranked ahead of us - they will have lost two close games to the teams in the SECCG while we lost to Georgia by 2TDs and lost to an unranked Arkansas. And if by chance A&M was to go on an upset Georgia…we might be the first team out again like we were before Oklahoma just kicked Alabamas sorry ass up and down the field…sorry, it still makes me smile.
 
#85
#85
Sarms58 said:
I’d hate for A&M get lucky and knock off Texas and Georgia…that would give them a first round bye and we might get pushed back another slot or possibly out of the playoff…so I’d just like to see Texas knock them out now…
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We wouldn't. Them beating Texas would knock Texas under us, and us up to 8 seed, and A&M beating UGA either moves us back down 1 to 9 (if UGA is kept above us), or keep us at 8 if UGA somehow drops after losing the SECCG to A&M.
 
#87
#87
mrmax86 said:
We wouldn't. Them beating Texas would knock Texas under us, and us up to 8 seed, and A&M beating UGA either moves us back down 1 to 9 (if UGA is kept above us), or keep us at 8 if UGA somehow drops after losing the SECCG to A&M.
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Maybe…it’s voted on by a committee- not Tennessee fans on Volnation. If we lost to the two teams playing in the SECCG by a FG or less you know everyone on this board would be screaming that we should be ranked higher than some other 2 loss SEC team who lost by 2 TDs to one of the SECCG teams and got beat by an unranked team that lost 5 or 6 games. Never know when things get voted on…

The biggest help we could get would be for USC to kick Notre Dame’s ass And Texas A&M lose big…then we are hosting a first round game (provided we beat Vandy).
 
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#89
#89
Ideal scenario is Texas loses to A&M as well as Notre Dame losing to USC. Both possible since they are road games against similarly talented teams. Then Georgia beats A&M in the SEC Championship Game. That would make Georgia the 2 seed. We would move up to the 7 seed. Texas would be the 8 seed. We would most likely host Indiana or SMU before having a rematch with Georgia in the second round.
 
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#92
Unconditional Surrender said:
I don’t know but sometimes he doesn’t have them up.
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Outside of the Ole Miss loss this season the only other program he has lost to over the past 4 seasons is Alabama lol. Kirby has his players up more than any coach in the country. And if not for Joe Burrow, Georgia might have another championship in 2019. He’s probably the lone coach you cannot question whenever it comes to having his players ready to go.
 
#93
#93
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Ideal scenario is Texas loses to A&M as well as Notre Dame losing to USC. Both possible since they are road games against similarly talented teams. Then Georgia beats A&M in the SEC Championship Game. That would make Georgia the 2 seed. We would move up to the 7 seed. Texas would be the 8 seed. We would most likely host Indiana or SMU before having a rematch with Georgia in the second round.
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I would rather take my chances with Texas at home and then play Oregon and Ohio State on a neutral field. I would ideally like to delay facing Georgia as long as possible and hope they get upset along the way.
 
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VolPack22 said:
Outside of the Ole Miss loss this season the only other program he has lost to over the past 4 seasons is Alabama lol. Kirby has his players up more than any coach in the country. And if not for Joe Burrow, Georgia might have another championship in 2019. He’s probably the lone coach you cannot question whenever it comes to having his players ready to go.
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While it hasn’t generally bitten them, they play down to their competition quite often.
 
#95
#95
VolPack22 said:
I would rather take my chances with Texas at home and then play Oregon and Ohio State on a neutral field. I would ideally like to delay facing Georgia as long as possible and hope they get upset along the way.
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I think the Big 10 is overrated this year so I would prefer to play as many Big 10 teams as possible. I want Indiana in the first round and Oregon in the second round over seeing Texas and Georgia.

Oregon and Ohio State have beaten nobody outside of other Big 10 teams. They might be frauds. Georgia to me is the best team in the country outside of Tennessee. I'd prefer to delay facing them until the natty.
 
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#97
Golfprovol said:
Sec will only get 3
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That is most likely, but we’ll see how it looks after this weekend. I think SC can get in with a win and ND loss.

Either way, there is no scenario where Tennessee is out with a win against Vandy. Worry all you wish, but Clemson and Indiana need help to get in. Why you’re even thinking about Tulane is a mystery to me. They have no chance. Regardless of who wins the conference championship games, we’d have to get jumped by 2 non-conference champions to miss the playoffs. Not happening if we win.
 
#99
#99
By a million miles the best case is Texas losing to A&M. They would likely fall to the 9ish position, we'd move up. Their premier win would be Vandy at that point and the time of year you lose is a huge factor.

After that, Georgia losing to A&M. Georgia drops behind us after that too. They're probably clinging around the 11th seed line at that point. We'd probably be the 7th seed.

I'm not sure why people don't think Georgia will drop if they lose the SECCG. Last year they were #1, 12-0 and riding a 29 game winning streak when they lost to Bama. They were dropped from from 1st to 6th by this same playoff committee. Them losing their 3rd game will see them drop to the edge of the playoff line, assuming there's no upsets in the other championship games.
 
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#100
#100
Texas beats A&M and then beats Georgia in the SECCG. That we be the best chance we would host a playoff game.

A&M and wins the SECCG would steal a playoff spot, Texas and UGA would not fall below us. If Clemson beats South Carolina and wins the ACC, they steal a spot and SMU does not get punished for losing. If that happens we are out of the playoffs
 
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