Poll: Wackest most overrated team in history?

Most overrated/underachieving team of all time?

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#26
#26
I'd say Arizona. I remember in the 1990's they were always getting hyped up to be something special and never amounted to anything. I think they even had a SI cover or two.
 
#27
#27
VolsSportsFan said:
I assume you mean National Championship.
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He probably couldn't make it to the NCAA Championship game either. Look at last year, he had a chance to beat Bama in the SEC championship but he screwed up at the very end by not spiking the ball with 3 seconds left. I just think he makes some of the dumbest mistakes.
 
#29
#29
VolFreakJosh said:
He probably couldn't make it to the NCAA Championship game either. Look at last year, he had a chance to beat Bama in the SEC championship but he screwed up at the very end by not spiking the ball with 3 seconds left. I just think he makes some of the dumbest mistakes.
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The point was you said you'd think he would at least win an SEC Championship, and he's won 2.
 
#30
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VolFreakJosh said:
He probably couldn't make it to the NCAA Championship game either. Look at last year, he had a chance to beat Bama in the SEC championship but he screwed up at the very end by not spiking the ball with 3 seconds left. I just think he makes some of the dumbest mistakes.
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#31 messed that play up from the get-go. 1st he couldn't line up properly wasting 3-4 seconds, then he caught the tipped ball instead of batting it down.

The clock was running with 3 seconds.

You could argue with #31 mistakes you should have spiked the ball with 11 seconds but it looks like they were trying to keep Bama from subbing.
 
#35
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madbamahater said:
Because they are. Look at the years they won, their respective record and compare it to other teams who should've been crowned title
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You can do that with most any team who won the NC pre-BCS. For that matter even some of the teams who won the BCS title.
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#36
#36
1943: ND 9-1, Iowa Pre Flight 9-1, Mich 8-1, Navy 8-1, Purdue 9-0
1946: ND 8-0-1, Army 8-0-1, UGA 11-0, UCLA 10-1, Illinois 8-2
1947: ND 9-0, Mich 10-0, SMU 9-0-2, Penn St 9-0-1, Texas 10-1
1949: ND 10-0, Oklahoma 11-00 :' 10-1, Army 9-0, Rice 10-1
1966: ND 9-0-1, Mich St 9-0-1, Alabama 11-0, UGA 10-1, UCLA 9-1
1971: ND 11-0, Ohio St 10-0-1, Okla 10-0-1, Alabama 11-1, Penn St 12-0
1977: ND 11-1, Alabama 11-1, Arkansas 11-1, Texas 11-1, Penn St 11-1
1988 ND 12-0, Miami 11-1, FSU 11-1, Michigan 9-2-1, WVU 11-1
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#37
#37
There is the AP top 5 in each of NDs National championship years. I don't see any multiple loss seasons in there. I hate them as mch as the next guy, and I totally agree that they've been overrated over the past 15-20 years. However historically they are one of the top programs in the nation.
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#38
#38
Texas takes the cake in this one, and there's not really a close second besides Notre Dame. They have more cash than any other athletic department. They are centrally located in a very cool city in the best state for high school football. Texas doesn't have any team besides Oklahoma that should even give them the slightest headache in that topheavy conference of theirs. The fact that they have only one national championship since 1970 is both pathetic and hilarious, and to make matters worse, A&M, a team the Longhorns never viewed as a threat (fun fact: 19-19 against the Aggies from 1974 on, so I'm not even sure where that arrogance comes from), is now enjoying national attention in the best conference in America.

I live in Austin, and I've had to deal with too many of these t-shirt fans. Their arrogance and unwillingness to even think for a second that A&M will pass them by is pitiful. I hate Alabama fans, but Texas fans are just as bad and are probably even worse when they're not drastically underachieving by getting slapped around by Oklahoma. Also, I went to the Texas vs West Virginia game this past fall when both teams were in the top 20. It was a night game, and it was hyped up for weeks. The local media called it the "loudest game in Texas Memorial Stadium history". I laughed out loud at that notion. It wasn't even as loud as the 2009 Vanderbilt vs Tennessee game I went to. Pretty sad when their best home game this year is Ole Miss. The Longhorns aren't even relevant, but thanks to the media, they will be all over tv sets come fall, including the 376 people who care to watch their network.
 
#39
#39
the sad thing is that Notre Dame will win this poll because of hatred, not because of being deserving
 
#41
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
1943: ND 9-1, Iowa Pre Flight 9-1, Mich 8-1, Navy 8-1, Purdue 9-01946: ND 8-0-1, Army 8-0-1, UGA 11-0, UCLA 10-1, Illinois 8-2
1947: ND 9-0, Mich 10-0, SMU 9-0-2, Penn St 9-0-1, Texas 10-1
1949: ND 10-0, Oklahoma 11-00 :' 10-1, Army 9-0, Rice 10-1
1966: ND 9-0-1, Mich St 9-0-1, Alabama 11-0, UGA 10-1, UCLA 9-1
1971: ND 11-0, Ohio St 10-0-1, Okla 10-0-1, Alabama 11-1, Penn St 12-01977: ND 11-1, Alabama 11-1, Arkansas 11-1, Texas 11-1, Penn St 11-11988 ND 12-0, Miami 11-1, FSU 11-1, Michigan 9-2-1, WVU 11-1
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Teams in BOLB above should have been crowned title. That gives ND just 1 that they earned. It clearly states based on record that there were better teams every year. Thanks for proving my point! AP is a bunch of Northern sports writers.
 
#42
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madbamahater said:
Teams in BOLB above should have been crowned title. That gives ND just 1 that they earned. It clearly states based on record that there were better teams every year. Thanks for proving my point! AP is a bunch of Northern sports writers.
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If it's based purley on record then Boise State should have a couple of National Championships. So tell us exactly how many of those seasons do you actually remember?
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#43
#43
madbamahater said:
Teams in BOLB above should have been crowned title. That gives ND just 1 that they earned. It clearly states based on record that there were better teams every year. Thanks for proving my point! AP is a bunch of Northern sports writers.
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Let me start this off by saying I'm not even remotely a ND fan, but there are some things here I felt I should chime in on:


(Also, "BOLB"...really?)


Anyway, moving on:


As far as 1977 goes:

There's no reason Texas would be more qualified to be the national championship in 1977; Notre Dame beat them head to head in that year's Cotton Bowl game, which Texas went into with a #1 ranking.

They beat 4 teams ranked in the top 15 (at #7 Pittsburgh, vs #5 USC, at #15 Clemson, bowl game #1 Texas), 3 of which were away from home.


Penn state only played a single ranked team, and was playing an independent pick and choose schedule (look at the teams they played that year before the bowl). They did however also lose to a later in the year good UK that was serving probation or bowl ban.

I almost feel you have to be joking though about that year's Arkansas from the Southwest conference being more qualified...first they didn't win their conference (Texas did), and why should a #6 beating a #2 (OU) jump higher than a team ranked above them beating a #1 by almost the same amount?

I can at least understand the argument for Alabama over Notre Dame that year, since the tide were ranked #3 going into the bowl games, throttled a #8 OSU, and only loss was to a ranked Nebraska...at the same time it looks like they only played a beat 2 ranked teams before the bowl game (a #1 USCw, and a #18 LSU)

The only somewhat legit argument I can think of here for that season is "Notre Dame lost to Ole Miss in the second game of the season and that year's Rebel team finished 5-7. But Alabama lost to at Nebraska, and that team would later be ranked by year's end"

But at the same time, the human polls never have been (nor ever were) as much based on/about who you lost to earlier in the year, they've always been a weekly "what have you done for me lately"

I will say though that it's still a somewhat hard jump (when 1,2,and 4 lost) from #5 (ND)to #1 for beating the #1 team 38-10, while #3 beat #8 31-6 but only jumped to #2.



1971: (73?)

Also Penn State was 11-1 in 1971, not 12-0. With their independent scheduling they only played 1 ranked team before the bowl games (TN) and lost by 20 points. They then went into their bowl game ranked #10.

I think the year's wrong on this one though, ND doesn't claim a 1971 title...is this supposed to be the 1973
the AP champs in 1973 (11-0), while Alabama was the UPI (this is what became the coaches poll) champion at 11-1? That looks like it was left off.

PSU did go undefeated...but their schedule, save a low ranked Pitt, was a hodgepodge of small school teams. (Before playing a mid-ranked-level LSU in a bowl game)

Notre Dame played and beat #1 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, a game they went into as #3, that year.



As far as 1966 goes:

This is again is a difficult one. All 3 top teams didn't have a loss.

Notre Dame played 4 ranked teams (#8 Purdue, at #10 Oklahoma, at #2 Michigan State, and at #10 USC...who they took to the woodshed).

The difficult thing here is that tie game. Going into the next to last weekend, all 3 teams were undefeated...and by virtue of where they started their rankings, ND was #1 and Mich St was #2. When the game between those two teams ended in a tie, you couldn't drop either of those teams for not losing a game, nor could Alabama (co-SEC champs) really be raised above them just on virtue of record in a year where they didn't play any ranked teams (the only other ranked team in conference was a 1-loss UGA but the two didn't play). And with ND playing a top 10 team the next week and winning by 40, there wasn't really any chance Bama could hope to move the 2-3 spaces necessary to jump them while playing a 4-5 Auburn.

The polls at that point in time issued their NC prior to the bowl games, which is also where Bama's extra 11th game came from. I'm not sure, however, if ND and Mich St were not offered bowl game invites due to tie-ins, or just refused them since they were really exhibition games at that point in time.


1947: Michigan only played one more game because of a bowl game invite; Notre Dame must have either not received one or turned it down.

At this point though, championships being awarded still came before the post season bowls.

I'll have to look into the other 40s championships later.



Oddly, from the AP poll era on, they actually leave almost as many titles on the field as they claim. They don't claim 70 or 67 due to lack of major polls (speaking of the latter, why the hell do we claim 67?). They don't claim 1953, 64, 89, or 93 for that reason either.

The early 20s and 30s polls were a mess, that I agree with though. It looks like they only claim 3 out of a possible 7 from that era though.
 
#46
#46
Just to add one more thing to the 73 debate. Penn St of that era was viewed nationally much the same was as Boise is viewed today.
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#49
#49
Kyle Field is weak? Uh, ok? Btw, calling UGA overrated makes us overrated? Conference championships are almost equal as are MNC's. Two unanimous for us and them. Both top ten programs.
 
#50
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secking said:
Kyle Field is weak? Uh, ok? Btw, calling UGA overrated makes us overrated? Conference championships are almost equal as are MNC's. Two unanimous for us and them. Both top ten programs.
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I agree. Kyle Field is not weak. It's pretty intense. The renovations will only make it louder, and it will probably be considerably louder.
 
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