Possible Ole Miss OCs: Joe Brady, Graham Harrell, Tee Martin

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VolPack22 said:
In 2019, I watched Ja’Marr Chase and Justin Jefferson routinely torch nearly every team they went up against and they are doing the same thing in the NFL without Joe Brady. They didn’t need Joe Brady to do what they did at LSU. Joe Brady was just along for the ride, along with everyone else on that coaching staff. As for 2018, if you look at the tail end of that season, Burrow was starting to really put it all together. Those stats aren’t bad for a first year starter in the SEC. His only losses were in the Swamp, to the Elephants, and that 7OT game to A&M on the road.
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Please. LSU averaged 400 ypg in total offense in 2018, and 569 in 2019. Their ppg went from 33.4 in 2018, to 48.4 in 2019.

That's with Burrow both years and Brady for 2019 alone, but sure, his passing game play calling had nothing to do with it.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Please. LSU averaged 400 ypg in total offense in 2018, and 569 in 2019. Their ppg went from 33.4 in 2018, to 48.4 in 2019.

That's with Burrow both years and Brady for 2019 alone, but sure, his passing game play calling had nothing to do with it.
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Like I said, they are all performing at a high level in the NFL without Joe Brady, and he just got fired. If he is so great why is he sitting at home? He rode those players’ coattails.
 
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VolPack22 said:
Like I said, they are all performing at a high level in the NFL without Joe Brady, and he just got fired. If he is so great why is he sitting at home? He rode those players’ coattails.
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Lol, you really didn't watch LSU in 2018 did you?

They were 69th in offensive yards per game 38th in points per game in 2018. In 2019, they were 1st in yards per game, and 1st in points per game.

That jump doesn't happen without Joe Brady.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol, you really didn't watch LSU in 2018 did you?

They were 69th in offensive yards per game 38th in points per game in 2018. In 2019, they were 1st in yards per game, and 1st in points per game.

That jump doesn't happen without Joe Brady.
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We’ll just see how Mr. Brady does at his next stop and whenever he fails I’ll be looking forward to seeing you continue gloating about how great he is. It’s pretty easy when all you have to worry about is one or two things concerning the offense, but whenever you are in charge of everything on that side of the ball, we really see just how great coaches really are. He’s just not that guy you are claiming him to be.
 
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docholiday said:
Another clueless beat writer. Well, Ruhle had to blame somebody for his failures so far in the NFL. Keep drafting all defensive players. You have zero QB and an OL that is horrendous. He needs to take his ass back to college.
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It’s so much deeper than that.
 
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VolPack22 said:
We’ll just see how Mr. Brady does at his next stop and whenever he fails I’ll be looking forward to seeing you continue gloating about how great he is. It’s pretty easy when all you have to worry about is one or two things concerning the offense, but whenever you are in charge of everything on that side of the ball, we really see just how great coaches really are. He’s just not that guy you are claiming him to be.
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Ensminger was never capable of calling plays that lead to the success of the 2019 season, and Burrow never excels as a passer at LSU without Joe Brady crafting and calling those plays; those are facts.

So again, show me an NFL OC that you believe would be successful with Carolina's QB room.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Ensminger was never capable of calling plays that lead to the success of the 2019 season, and Burrow never excels as a passer at LSU without Joe Brady crafting and calling those plays; those are facts.

So again, show me an NFL OC that you believe would be successful with Carolina's QB room.
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Well Josh McDaniels and the Patriots just won a game with 3 pass attempts so it’s not all about the QB. You have to work with what you have and the great coaches figure out. Joe Brady ain’t that guy.

And since you brought up Ensminger:

In 46 games with Ensminger as offensive coordinator, the Tigers averaged 37.4 points and 474.1 total yards per game. LSU racked up over 500 yards of total offense 20 times under Ensminger which included 714 yards against Ole Miss in 2019. LSU also scored 40 or more points 23 times during that span. With Ensminger as offensive coordinator, the Tigers went 36-10, winning 26 of those games by double-figures.
 
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VolPack22 said:
Well Josh McDaniels and the Patriots just won a game with 3 pass attempts so it’s not all about the QB. You have to work with what you have and the great coaches figure out. Joe Brady ain’t that guy.

And since you brought up Ensminger:

In 46 games with Ensminger as offensive coordinator, the Tigers averaged 37.4 points and 474.1 total yards per game. LSU racked up over 500 yards of total offense 20 times under Ensminger which included 714 yards against Ole Miss in 2019. LSU also scored 40 or more points 23 times during that span. With Ensminger as offensive coordinator, the Tigers went 36-10, winning 26 of those games by double-figures.
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And the Patriots only scored 14 points, and had 240 yards of total offense for the entire game. Do you really want to pick an aberration of a game to try and base your argument on? Do I actually need to link the offensive stats of the Patriots in every other game they've played this season?

500+ total offensive yardage games with Ensminger as OC without Joe Brady:
2018 Mississippi
2018 Rice
2018 Central Florida
2020 South Carolina
2020 Mississippi

500+ total offensive yardage games with Ensminger as OC with Joe Brady:
2019 Texas
2019 Northwestern State
2019 Vanderbilt
2019 Utah State
2019 Florida
2019 Auburn
2019 Alabama
2019 Mississippi
2019 Arkansas
2019 Texas A&M
2019 Oklahoma
2019 Clemson

So in a single season with Brady, LSU had 2.5 times as many 500+ yardage games, than Ensminger produced in two seasons, and one of those had Joe Burrow as well.

LSU was 15-0 with Brady in a single season. In the other two seasons with just Ensminger, they were 10-3, and 5-5, and again, that 10-3 year was with Burrow, and they still only managed a 5-3 SEC record.

You aren't helping your argument with these stats.
 
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BeardedVol said:
And the Patriots only scored 14 points, and had 240 yards of total offense for the entire game. Do you really want to pick an aberration of a game to try and base your argument on? Do I actually need to link the offensive stats of the Patriots in every other game they've played this season?

500+ total offensive yardage games with Ensminger as OC without Joe Brady:
2018 Mississippi
2018 Rice
2018 Central Florida
2020 South Carolina
2020 Mississippi

500+ total offensive yardage games with Ensminger as OC with Joe Brady:
2019 Texas
2019 Northwestern State
2019 Vanderbilt
2019 Utah State
2019 Florida
2019 Auburn
2019 Alabama
2019 Mississippi
2019 Arkansas
2019 Texas A&M
2019 Oklahoma
2019 Clemson

So in a single season with Brady, LSU had 2.5 times as many 500+ yardage games, than Ensminger produced in two seasons, and one of those had Joe Burrow as well.

LSU was 15-0 with Brady in a single season. In the other two seasons with just Ensminger, they were 10-3, and 5-5, and again, that 10-3 year was with Burrow, and they still only managed a 5-3 SEC record.

You aren't helping your argument with these stats.
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Once again, if Joe Brady is so great why are the Panthers at the bottom of the league in offense? Who is to say his season with LSU wasn’t an aberration? It works both ways.
 
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VolPack22 said:
Once again, if Joe Brady is so great why are the Panthers at the bottom of the league in offense? Who is to say his season with LSU wasn’t an aberration? It works both ways.
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Because the Panthers have one of the worst QB rooms and offensive lines on all of the NFL?

Your entire argument is predicated on pretense, that Carolina has a competent QB, and that Ensminger fielded an offense with Joe Burrow that was just as good as that with Brady calling the passing game.

Both are demonstrably false.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Because the Panthers have one of the worst QB rooms and offensive lines on all of the NFL?

Your entire argument is predicated on pretense, that Carolina has a competent QB, and that Ensminger fielded an offense with Joe Burrow that was just as good as that with Brady calling the passing game.

Both are demonstrably false.
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If Joe Brady is as great as you say he is then he should be able to overcome those deficiencies.
 
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VolPack22 said:
If Joe Brady is as great as you say he is then he should be able to overcome those deficiencies.
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Lol... where did I ever say that Joe Brady was capable of fielding a top offense without a competent QB?

Please, do quote the post.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol... where did I ever say that Joe Brady was capable of fielding a top offense without a competent QB?

Please, do quote the post.
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I've never understood the "if you're a good coach, you should be good regardless of the players you have" line.

A variation of it is used to diminish the performance of coaches who consistently have good players. "Coach X is overrated - they hardly ever play a game where they don't have more talent than the opponent." Well yes, isn't that kind of the point? Especially in college?
 
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BeardedVol said:
Lol... where did I ever say that Joe Brady was capable of fielding a top offense without a competent QB?

Please, do quote the post.
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You didn’t say that. But you are acting like he’s Andy Reid or Bill Walsh. Joe Brady didn’t have play calling duties at LSU and yet he gets an OC job and interviewed for head coaching jobs in the NFL. I don’t understand the infatuation with him because he was only in charge of coordinating the passing game. There’s a lot more to an offense than that. The players got Joe Brady that opportunity and within the next couple of years, whenever he is fired again, people will hopefully realize that.

Edit: and he doesn’t have to field a top offense, but can he at the very least be middle of the pack? Seriously, he’s at the bottom of the league.
 
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05_never_again said:
I've never understood the "if you're a good coach, you should be good regardless of the players you have" line.

A variation of it is used to diminish the performance of coaches who consistently have good players. "Coach X is overrated - they hardly ever play a game where they don't have more talent than the opponent." Well yes, isn't that kind of the point? Especially in college?
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Not to mention Rhule has been talking about wanting more run plays every chance he got, which Brady gave him on first and second down, which with the terrible oline, just stuck them in an untenable 3rd and long passing position with no competent QB.
 
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VolPack22 said:
You didn’t say that. But you are acting like he’s Andy Reid or Bill Walsh. Joe Brady didn’t have play calling duties at LSU and yet he gets an OC job and interviewed for head coaching jobs in the NFL. I don’t understand the infatuation with him because he was only in charge of coordinating the passing game. There’s a lot more to an offense than that. The players got Joe Brady that opportunity and within the next couple of years, whenever he is fired again, people will hopefully realize that.

Edit: and he doesn’t have to field a top offense, but can he at the very least be middle of the pack? Seriously, he’s at the bottom of the league.
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If you don't have middle of the pack talent, you won't have middle of the pack results. Neither will Andy Reid or Bill Walsh. They can scheme around some disadvantages, but bottom of the league talent will yield bottom of the leagure results. NO matter the coach.
 
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If Kiffin hires Martin, that would throw a huge gasoline can on the Mississippi-Tennessee rivalry.
 
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miket4god said:
If you don't have middle of the pack talent, you won't have middle of the pack results. Neither will Andy Reid or Bill Walsh. They can scheme around some disadvantages, but bottom of the league talent will yield bottom of the leagure results. NO matter the coach.
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They have talent at the skill positions.
 
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People are also skipping over the fact that Christian McCaffery has been out almost all season. They started out 3-0 with McCaffery and the offense looked fine. He went down and it didn't. He came back and they lit up Arizona 34-10 at Arizona, then he and Darnold got hurt and they brought in Newton too. Newton had one good game and then had the worst QB performance I've maybe ever seen from an NFL player. This fire is basically the equivalent of Oklahoma firing Heupel even though they averaged nearly 40ppg.
 
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miket4god said:
Bottom of the League talent when Mccafrey is hurt, which seems to be most of the time.
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Chuba Hubbard isn’t that bad of a running back and they have two pretty good receivers that both got over 1,000 yards last year.
 
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Volfan1000 said:
If Kiffin hires Martin, that would throw a huge gasoline can on the Mississippi-Tennessee rivalry.
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Anytime I think of gasoline and Kiffin I think back to his recruiting pitch that if you go to South Carolina youll pump gasoline for a living. 🤣
Was the player Alshawn Jeffery?
 
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VolPack22 said:
Chuba Hubbard isn’t that bad of a running back and they have two pretty good receivers that both got over 1,000 yards last year.
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Most important position in football is QB. Cam Newton is trash and Sam Darnold is not much better.
 
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05_never_again said:
I've never understood the "if you're a good coach, you should be good regardless of the players you have" line.

A variation of it is used to diminish the performance of coaches who consistently have good players. "Coach X is overrated - they hardly ever play a game where they don't have more talent than the opponent." Well yes, isn't that kind of the point? Especially in college?
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I think so too. It makes no sense, and it's also boring, and somehow people can't stop posting the same thing over and over. One guy says "Coach X is good" and a little army of keyboard warriors can't wait to be the first to say Coach X success "doesn't count" because he recruited the best players. Good grief. Somebody should go outside and take a walk. Maybe get to know a girl or something.

Unfortunately, all you ever really know is who won. Even if a guy does more with less at some school, you can appreciate that, but he may not be able to duplicate that at another school. Ultimately they're all human and strangely enough, need to be a little messed up probably to be a really good coach.

I do think that Joe Brady exhibited the best QB play I ever saw, but I'm not an analyst of QB's. I had to presume he was well coached.

I'm glad it's not my money.
 
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