Post Your Voter Fraud Evidence Here

[Orangeslice13]

It’s straight up racist to argue voter ID = suppression

 

[NashVol11]

What's there to avoid? They are a red herring to the discussion, as I've shown. The fact that an incredibly small % of people commit violent gun crimes in no way does away with the fact that we should demand background checks for concealed carry permits. It's a principle and protective requirement as opposed to a statistical risk calculation. You're having to rely on illogical red herring arguments.

Also, you should probably be careful of accusing people of "avoidance" in this thread. Your selective replies, logic, outrage, and rights protection is creeping up on you.

You’ve been talking theory without practice. Do you think the NC law, as outlined above, was nothing more than a “principle and protective requirement” enacted in good faith? If so, explain why removing voting awareness measures from schools is a valuable protective requirement, in addition to the others bolded. As long as the laws keep looking like that, theoretical discussions about what they could be aren’t particularly useful.

 

[NEO]

"Why would instituting barriers to voting result in fewer votes? I can't figure it out"

See here is the truth....

Dims always say it’s the undereducated who vote Republican yet scream at the top of their lungs when any simple requirement to vote that a person with an IQ of 50 could figure out how to meet is established.

Seems you need those 100 votes( millions when you actually count the whole country) from the “unable to even get a state ID card” group way more than the republicans do.

 

[NashVol11]

It’s straight up racist to argue voter ID = suppression

That’s stupid. It’s no different than saying the War on Drugs has disproportionately affected black people, which is true

 

[1972 Grad]

It’s straight up racist to argue voter ID = suppression

Don't you know that blacks are too poor and too stupid to have an I.D.?

 

[1972 Grad]

That’s stupid. It’s no different than saying the War on Drugs has disproportionately affected black people, which is true

Hasn't affected the ones that don't sell or do drugs.

 

[Orange_Crush]

You’ve been talking theory without practice. Do you think the NC law, as outlined above, was nothing more than a “principle and protective requirement” enacted in good faith? If so, explain why removing voting awareness measures from schools is a valuable protective requirement, in addition to the others bolded. As long as the laws keep looking like that, theoretical discussions about what they could be aren’t particularly useful.

I've not once mentioned that law or its specifics. I've spoken specifically to the principle of requiring an ID for all potential voters. No more. No less. One citizen. One vote. Protect the sanctity of our democratic elections.

And you're falling to another fallacious argument with your last sentence. Of course we can talk about what laws could look like in the face of bad laws. We do it all the time. Your excluded middle is stupid and unhelpful.

 

[Rickyvol77]

That’s stupid. It’s no different than saying the War on Drugs has disproportionately affected black people, which is true

Oh please. Give me a logical reasonable approach of why making voters provide their IDs is wrong

 

[NashVol11]

See here is the truth....

Dims always say it’s the undereducated who vote Republican yet scream at the top of their lungs when any simple requirement to vote that a person with an IQ of 50 could figure out how to meet is established.

Seems you need those 100 votes( millions when you actually count the whole country) from the “unable to even get a state ID card” group way more than the republicans do.

Republicans are the ones putting massive amounts of time, money and research into making it harder to vote, so I’d argue that the evidence suggests the exact opposite

 

[hog88]

LMAO what's further? No early voting at all, and if you try to teach students about voting you get arrested?

I’m fully opposed to early voting and absentee ballots (minus deployed military and foreign service people).

Where in the law is teaching about voting a crime?

 

[DC_Vol]

It is if the nearest ID office is 150 miles away, and it certainly is when you compare the burden to the risk, which again is essentially nonexistent. There have been 31 documented cases of voter impersonation in the last 20 years, and most of them were accidents that only remotely fit that definition.

North Carolina's voter ID law, for example, eliminated Citizens Awareness Month in schools, along with the following:

*shortens early voting by 1 week,
*eliminates same day registration and provisional voting if at wrong precinct,
*prevents counties from offering voting on last Saturday before the election beyond 1 pm,
*prevents counties from extending poll hours by one hour on election day in extraordinary circumstances (like lengthy lines),
*eliminates state supported voter registration drives and preregistration for 16/17 year olds,
*repeals voter owned judicial elections and straight party voting,
*increases number of people who can challenge voters inside the precinct, and
*purges voter rolls more often.

Tell me with a straight face that the bolded measures, enacted the second there was a Republican majority in the state senate, were actually about "protecting the vote" in a state where there were two documented instances of voter fraud in the previous decade, and not about simply suppressing Democrat votes. It's a joke and it's transparent as hell to anyone remotely objective (EDIT: including the judge who eventually struck it down).

Pretty sure I lived in NC when these laws were passed. I had no issues with them.

Where in NC is a community where the nearest DMV is 150 miles away?

 

[NEO]

Republicans are the ones putting massive amounts of time, money and research into making it harder to vote, so I’d argue that the evidence suggests the exact opposite

Harder to vote for morons.

You do get that, right?

And I will go on the record and be honest....if you aren’t retired or on disability and don’t own a car, don’t have a job, don’t hsve a state ID of any kind then I seriously don’t want you voting and having any impact on my life at all.

That group will vote for anyone who promises free stuff and that free stuff is getting paid for those of us actually working.

If right now to vote you had to either own land, own a business or have a full time job the last six months straight with no break then you would never see a damn democrat in office again and u and every other democrat knows it.

 

[DC_Vol]

Republicans are the ones putting massive amounts of time, money and research into making it harder to vote, so I’d argue that the evidence suggests the exact opposite

It’s not harder to show up to the polling spot with ID.

 

[hog88]

Hog88: "Should have gone further, just don't let black people vote" lmao

If you can’t get your ass to the polls on Election Day with the proper ID you don’t deserve to have a voice. Regardless of the color of your skin you racist.

 

[DC_Vol]

Harder to vote for morons.

You do get that, right?

And I will go on the record and be honest....if you aren’t retired or on disability and don’t own a car, don’t have a job, don’t hsve a state ID of any kind then I seriously don’t want you voting and having any impact on my life at all.

That group will vote for anyone who promises free stuff and that free stuff is getting paid for those of us actually working.

If right now to vote you had to either own land, own a business or have a full time job the last six months straight with no break then you would never see a damn democrat in office again and u and every other democrat knows it.

I’m sure a couple of these unicorns exist. I doubt they vote because they’re obviously not participating in any other part of civilized society.

 

[Orange_Crush]

If right now to vote you had to either own land, own a business or have a full time job the last six months straight with no break then you would never see a damn democrat in office again and u and every other democrat knows it.

Painful, but true.

 

[NurseGoodVol]

Oppose Voter ID Legislation - Fact Sheet

Fact sheet that's not actually the whole story. The gao report was written on statistical analysis from Tennessee and Kansas. It included very little of any information about voter fraud, which I believe, is the whole point of having a gov issued photo ID.
Did you read the gao report from 2014 or did you headline grab again without reading the reference material?
Your headline cited 2 paragraphs out of the entire 200 page report. Try again.

 

[Orangeslice13]

That’s stupid. It’s no different than saying the War on Drugs has disproportionately affected black people, which is true

The war on drugs is absolutely racist in its application. We should have decriminalized drugs a long time ago. It should be a public health issue and treated.
There is no suppression of legal voting by requiring an ID.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Don't you know that blacks are too poor and too stupid to have an I.D.?

That’s exactly what the left thinks and outright says with this ********

 

[0nelilreb]

I’m sure a couple of these unicorns exist. I doubt they vote because they’re obviously not participating in any other part of civilized society.

I’d love to see a link showing the homeless that vote , no way do get me to believe the guys hanging around under the overpass and on the corners are going to vote . If you are receiving benefits of any kind you have an ID so those “ poor and minority “ numbers are going to be extremely subjective .

 

[NurseGoodVol]

How is that a stretch? If I say you have to pay $5 for a birth certificate, take time off of work and wait in line at the DMV before you're allowed freedom of speech, that's definitely suppression

90% of responsible people hold a birth certificate and a legal gov issued photo Id. Laziness is not suppression.

 

[0nelilreb]

Republicans are the ones putting massive amounts of time, money and research into making it harder to vote, so I’d argue that the evidence suggests the exact opposite

It should be both sides put time , money and effort in to making sure the people that vote in our elections are US citizens. The left and it’s selective screeching about other countries interference in our elections with memes and FB posts are oddly silent when it comes to security at our voting booths .

 

[hog88]

I must ask. Why would anyone want people to lazy to get an ID, to stupid to know what precinct they vote in, to dumb to know when or how to register to vote to have a say in how the country is ran?

 

[Orange_Crush]

See here is the truth....

Dims always say it’s the undereducated who vote Republican yet scream at the top of their lungs when any simple requirement to vote that a person with an IQ of 50 could figure out how to meet is established.

Seems you need those 100 votes( millions when you actually count the whole country) from the “unable to even get a state ID card” group way more than the republicans do.

Republicans are the ones putting massive amounts of time, money and research into making it harder to vote, so I’d argue that the evidence suggests the exact opposite

Your logic seems to be backward. You claim that Repubs are trying to suppress votes by requiring ID laws, and now you're claiming that they're doing so because they need the votes they're suppressing.

Go drunk. You're home.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Nah, a "stretch" would be comparing the right to carry around deadly weapons to the right to vote, or the dangers posed by those who abuse those rights (and kill tens of thousands of people each year) to the near-nonexistent evidence of voter fraud.

Wow.