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[davethevol]

That is not what I said, and that is not what is happening. Republicans are trying to stop new Georgia residents from voting in the runoff election. The law seems to have established the right of new residents to vote after they are legally registered to vote.

That’s not what’s happening according to the yahoo article I posted. They are purging voters that have changed addresses, and the judge said that a change of address is not good enough of criteria to purge them from voting.

 

[Vol Main]

That’s not what’s happening according to the yahoo article I posted. They are purging voters that have changed addresses, and the judge said that a change of address is not good enough of criteria to purge them from voting.

OK, I had another case in mind. So, I read the article. Did you? "The counties seemed to have improperly relied on unverified change-of-address data to invalidate registrations, the judge, Leslie Abrams Gardner, said in her order filed late on Monday in the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia."

 

[davethevol]

OK, I had another case in mind. So, I read the article. Did you? "The counties seemed to have improperly relied on unverified change-of-address data to invalidate registrations, the judge, Leslie Abrams Gardner, said in her order filed late on Monday in the U.S. District Court for the Middle District of Georgia."

I did read it, and her reasoning is garbage. You should read the entire article.

 

[Vol Main]

I did read it, and her reasoning is garbage. You should read the entire article.

I did read the entire article, which is so poorly written that it left me wondering. But the words "improperly relied on unverified...data to invalidate registrations" stands out.

 

[AM64]

Well, the State of Tennessee required me to seal and sign the envelope containing my ballot. There was some kind of statement affirming that I was not registered to vote in any other state, that voting in Tennessee while registered to vote in another state was a criminal offense punishable by so much time in jail. Something to that effect. When I called the election commission where I previously lived to make sure that my name was removed, the guy told me it would be removed after I did not vote. When I explained I could not vote here if my name was still onhis books, he told me where to go an their web page to get it removed. I downloaded and printed an afidavit, signed it, photographed it, emailed it to them, and then telephoned a few days later to make sure I was no longer registered to vote there. As for just registering to vote and getting a balllot by just mail something in, that is NOT how it works. I had to take a birth certificate and documents proving my residence, e.g. utility bills in my name.

Tennessee stuck with a time tested absentee ballot process rather than a hokey fly by night scheme that several other states implemented. Obviously you took the time to read and understand what you were signing, but how many people do you think do that. Most people are convinced "there's no voter fraud" because no one bothers to look for it. My guess is you could have simply signed and the result would not have changed. My son moved permanently before he graduated from college, and several years (and a few election cycles) later he got a new voter ID card here because our voting location changed, but he'd been registered long enough elsewhere in TN to have served on a grand jury. They don't check; they don't compare voter databases; election commissions don't do much of anything that requires getting off their lazy butts. Did it not bother you that you didn't have to use some proof of ID like someone showing up to vote in person would have to do? Just a signature that someone may have looked at and probably didn't bother to compare.

 

[Vol Main]

AM64, "Did it not bother you that you didn't have to use some proof of ID like someone showing up to vote in person would have to do? Just a signature that someone may have looked at and probably didn't bother to compare."

Why are you asking me this, after I took my time to state that I did have to present proof of I.D.? I had a star drivers license from the other state, yet had to go through the entire process of presenting a birth certificate and proof of residence to get a star license in Tennessee, which DMV sent to the election commission along with my signature card. Get this straight from someone who just went through the process. These days, when a person moves from one state to another, you have to go through a star license procedure all over again to get a drivers license and a voter registration.

 

[AshG]

I think we need to takea good, long look at the last few decades of voting issues, wipe the laws, and start from scratch. Free and fair elections do not include gerrymandering or suppression techniques. Nor do they include avenues that allow for other types of fraud including identity fraud and misrepresentation of self.

We're trying to operate in the 21st century like a Hatfield vs McCoy moonshine territory war instead of a mature sovereign nation. Both parties piss me off.

 

[Vol Main]

I think we need to takea good, long look at the last few decades of voting issues, wipe the laws, and start from scratch. Free and fair elections do not include gerrymandering or suppression techniques. Nor do they include avenues that allow for other types of fraud including identity fraud and misrepresentation of self.

We're trying to operate in the 21st century like a Hatfield vs McCoy moonshine territory war instead of a mature sovereign nation. Both parties piss me off.

Why don't you apprise yourself of what is already being done instead of assuming the worst so you can sit around having negative thoughts about it and spewing the negative nonsense on this board? Read. The legislature and election commissions have done their jobs. We have good procedures in place, and they work. If you want to live in a state of agitation, you ought to find something else to be bothered about.

 

[1972 Grad]

I think we need to takea good, long look at the last few decades of voting issues, wipe the laws, and start from scratch. Free and fair elections do not include gerrymandering or suppression techniques. Nor do they include avenues that allow for other types of fraud including identity fraud and misrepresentation of self.

We're trying to operate in the 21st century like a Hatfield vs McCoy moonshine territory war instead of a mature sovereign nation. Both parties piss me off.

How do you fairly determine the limits of a Congressional district? Is it 2 counties, 4 counties, 10 counties, or by population? How about a big city that encompasses more than 1 county?

 

[AshG]

Why don't you apprise yourself of what is already being done instead of assuming the worst so you can sit around having negative thoughts about it and spewing the negative nonsense on this board? Read. The legislature and election commissions have done their jobs. We have good procedures in place, and they work. If you want to live in a state of agitation, you ought to find something else to be bothered about.

Have you read this subforum? It could easily be renamed "State of Agitation."

And I'm actually not agitated. Was just having some conservatory thoughts.

 

[AshG]

How do you fairly determine the limits of a Congressional district? Is it 2 counties, 4 counties, 10 counties, or by population? How about a big city that encompasses more than 1 county?

How about the Sequoyah Hills district that goes into the river for a one foot wide strip for many miles then magically expands to encompass Dandridge? What's the point of that, if not leveraging populations to ensure political power?

 

[1972 Grad]

How about the Sequoyah Hills district that goes into the river for a one foot wide strip for many miles then magically expands to encompass Dandridge? What's the point of that, if not leveraging populations to ensure political power?

How do you determine Congressional districts fairly?

 

[VolStrom]

How about the Sequoyah Hills district that goes into the river for a one foot wide strip for many miles then magically expands to encompass Dandridge? What's the point of that, if not leveraging populations to ensure political power?

Your idea of Sequoyah hills and mine must be different. Mine is a super rich area off of Kingston Pike not far from UT.

 

[AshG]

How do you determine Congressional districts fairly?

It depends on what the goal is. It should never be to increase power for either party . The most common methods are:

Equal population
Equitable (non-diluted) minority representation
Contiguity
Geographical boundaries
Compactness
Regions of interest
Political affiliation / seat protection

Here are some great resources on understanding these criterion

We Drew 2,568 Congressional Districts By Hand. Here’s How.

Where are the lines drawn? - All About Redistricting

Can Redistricting Ever Be Fair?

 

[AM64]

AM64, "Did it not bother you that you didn't have to use some proof of ID like someone showing up to vote in person would have to do? Just a signature that someone may have looked at and probably didn't bother to compare."

Why are you asking me this, after I took my time to state that I did have to present proof of I.D.? I had a star drivers license from the other state, yet had to go through the entire process of presenting a birth certificate and proof of residence to get a star license in Tennessee, which DMV sent to the election commission along with my signature card. Get this straight from someone who just went through the process. These days, when a person moves from one state to another, you have to go through a star license procedure all over again to get a drivers license and a voter registration.

I'm not questioning that part. I've got a big problem with people who mail in ballots not having to have some certification showing that the ballot they received and supposedly completed somehow involved photo identification like someone who votes in person. Like having to appear before a notary with a blank ballot and photo ID and getting the notary's signature on the envelope stating ballot was initially blank and the envelope was sealed in his/her presence.

 

[AshG]

Your idea of Sequoyah hills and mine must be different. Mine is a super rich area off of Kingston Pike not far from UT.

I know that. That's why it makes no sense. There's no geographical or demographical connection, so why link the two by a miles-long strip in the middle of the river?

One of my friends ran for state rep many years ago, as a Republican. Had his district been Jefferson County or Dandridge and the corners of Cocke and Sevier, he would have won because of his popularity and positive reputation in that little area of the state. But his opponent was Jamie Hagood of Sequoyah Hills, and she had access to much more money and population in an area he had no name recognition in and lacked the financial ability to break into.

Years later, I still wonder what the point was of that barbell district if not to ensure dominance by a Sequoyah Hills resident.

 

[VolStrom]

How about the Sequoyah Hills district that goes into the river for a one foot wide strip for many miles then magically expands to encompass Dandridge? What's the point of that, if not leveraging populations to ensure political power?

I just don't see any slivers that extend from Knox county to Sevier county on this map. The 2nd congressional district seems to be along county lines although I don't understand why Sevier county isn't a part of it?

 

[Orangeburst]

It should make them more determined if anything. This was the year that dems may not have made me a republican, but they damn sure made me a "never a dem". Being in Chattanooga, we get all the GA political commercials - the two dems are disgusting people.

I do not care for Loeffler or Perdue, but gotta be pragmatic. Back to back to back commercials.

 

[AshG]

I just don't see any slivers that extend from Knox county to Sevier county on this map. The 2nd congressional district seems to be along county lines although I don't understand why Sevier county isn't a part of it?

This looks like the federal congressional districts, I was referring to the state districts. I believe it was District 6 prior to the 2010 census.

 

[VolStrom]

This looks like the federal congressional districts, I was referring to the state districts. I believe it was District 6 prior to the 2010 census.

Yeah this is the federal congressional districts, I don't have a clue what the state districts look like.

 

[AshG]

Yeah this is the federal congressional districts, I don't have a clue what the state districts look like.

The post-2010 districts actually look much more rationally planned out. District 1 does an odd twist around Sevierville where it's only one road thick before opening back up.

 

[AM64]

I just don't see any slivers that extend from Knox county to Sevier county on this map. The 2nd congressional district seems to be along county lines although I don't understand why Sevier county isn't a part of it?

Middle TN is severely bent, and so is the western part of E TN. You'd think they could do better than this.

 

[VolStrom]

Middle TN is severely bent, and so is the western part of E TN. You'd think they could do better than this.

Middle Tennessee has a penis, the rest of us are more feminine.

 

[Orangeburst]

Middle TN is severely bent, and so is the western part of E TN. You'd think they could do better than this.

Eliminating Gerrymandering is chasing a never ending rabbit hole.

 

[evillawyer]