Prepare for cap and trade bill Monday.

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gsvol

gsvol

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The Wasington Post, aka Pravda on the Potomac, is reporting that John Freaking Kerry, Lindsey I'm a rino Graham and Joe I'm not a democrat anymore Lieberman will introduce the senate version of the ruinous house bill on Monday, just in time for Earth Day, aka Lenin's Birthday celebrations next week.
 
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That's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes, an aeroplane - Lenny Bruce is not afraid.
Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn - world serves its own needs, regardless of your own needs. Feed it up a knock, speed, grunt no, strength no. Ladder structure clatter with fear of height, down height. Wire in a fire, represent the seven games in a government for hire and a combat site.
Left her, wasn't coming in a hurry with the furies breathing down your neck.
Team by team reporters baffled, trump, tethered crop. Look at that low plane! Fine then. Uh oh, overflow, population, common group, but it'll do. Save yourself, serve yourself. World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed. Tell me with the rapture and the reverent in the right - right. You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty psyched.
 
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VolInMn said:
That's great, it starts with an earthquake, birds and snakes, an aeroplane - Lenny Bruce is not afraid.
Eye of a hurricane, listen to yourself churn - world serves its own needs, regardless of your own needs. Feed it up a knock, speed, grunt no, strength no. Ladder structure clatter with fear of height, down height. Wire in a fire, represent the seven games in a government for hire and a combat site.
Left her, wasn't coming in a hurry with the furies breathing down your neck.
Team by team reporters baffled, trump, tethered crop. Look at that low plane! Fine then. Uh oh, overflow, population, common group, but it'll do. Save yourself, serve yourself. World serves its own needs, listen to your heart bleed. Tell me with the rapture and the reverent in the right - right. You vitriolic, patriotic, slam, fight, bright light, feeling pretty psyched.
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Makes as much sense as anything else you've ever posted, kudos for your clarity of thought.
 
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TennTradition said:
Alternative energy is awesome, but only if we have a need for an alternative. I'm a big tech guy (really), but a case always needs to be made for the status quo to be replaced by the next great thing.
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TT my point has always been that the current need is to get started toward that end, before we actually have to. We will find the balance as we go. New technologies bring new jobs and new moneys. It's a win win with no down side. Innovation is the American way, it walks had in fist with Capitalism. Besides two things stick out in my mind for the need to proceed rapidly. If we are not first we will lose out on more than I like to think about. Secondly we are enslaved to big oil. Domestically and especially Foreign. I would like nothing better than to tell both we don't need it.

There is already mega bucks in investment. One could argue that the Dam has already broke. Big oil, big tech and big Government is investing Hugh amounts of money for no other reason than they can see the writing on the wall. Those that argue we don't need it or slow down are arguing amongst themselves only. The ship has sailed.
 
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TennTradition said:
Alternative energy is awesome, but only if we have a need for an alternative. I'm a big tech guy (really), but a case always needs to be made for the status quo to be replaced by the next great thing.
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You can't make the point better than that.

Wind and solar will never meet out needs, unless we desire to live on a third world status.

Some should stop to consider that alternative.

In America we have prevented oil drilling in known reserves, closed coal fields and America has known reserves that are greater than the rest of the world put together and as a matter of fact much of our current coal production is shipped off to China so they can manufacture toys and such that contribute to our unsustainable trade deficit.

We haven't built oil refineries or nuclear energy facilities producing electricity in America in over thirty years even though we have an almost impecable record of safety in that regard.

Ethanol as an alternative is asurd if not insane.
 
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gsvol said:
Wind and solar will never meet out needs, unless we desire to live on a third world status.
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False. The Earth receives more energy from the sun in one hour than the world uses in one year. We just have to figure out a way to efficiently harness it and we are a long way off, but that doesn't mean you don't exert the effort.

This thought that you do not research alternative energy until there is a need for it is an absolute joke. You people cannot be serious. By the time we will need something besides oil and coal 1) the cost of oil will be so high only the extremely wealthy will be able to afford it or 2) the atmosphere will be so polluted from the use, our entire ecosystem will be out of whack.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
False. The Earth receives more energy from the sun in one hour than the world uses in one year. We just have to figure out a way to efficiently harness it and we are a long way off, but that doesn't mean you don't exert the effort.

This thought that you do not research alternative energy until there is a need for it is an absolute joke. You people cannot be serious. By the time we will need something besides oil and coal 1) the cost of oil will be so high only the extremely wealthy will be able to afford it or 2) the atmosphere will be so polluted from the use, our entire ecosystem will be out of whack.
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I'm trying to figure out where you are getting this. We have largely cleaned up our act over the years, and as technology gets better, we will see much cleaner use of fossil fuels. The Catalytic Converter has probably been the single most important invention of our time, in regards to cleaning up the atmosphere. Besides, back in the day, when the Ring of Fire was active, the atmosphere was more polluted that it ever thought about being today. Once massive volcanic eruption can cause issues for years, and destroy entire eco-systems, and I don't see the outcry to outlaw volcanoes.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I'm trying to figure out where you are getting this. We have largely cleaned up our act over the years, and as technology gets better, we will see much cleaner use of fossil fuels. The Catalytic Converter has probably been the single most important invention of our time, in regards to cleaning up the atmosphere. Besides, back in the day, when the Ring of Fire was active, the atmosphere was more polluted that it ever thought about being today. Once massive volcanic eruption can cause issues for years, and destroy entire eco-systems, and I don't see the outcry to outlaw volcanoes.
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Oh, wow. You're not seriously one of them. So scientific research is a conspiracy, huh? The effect on the environment by carbon emissions is fact. Some people choose to ignore fact and that's their business, but don't try to sell me that the impact of billions of fossil-burning automobiles is having zero effect on the environment. You won't get far.

Some people forget that life has nearly disappeared from the planet before and it can happen again just as easily.
 
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TennTradition said:
Alternative energy is awesome, but only if we have a need for an alternative. I'm a big tech guy (really), but a case always needs to be made for the status quo to be replaced by the next great thing.
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alternative energy would be great if we 50mph winds 24hrs a day.

i would like an alternative energy that actually pays for its self without my tax dollars propping it up.
 
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gsvol said:
Makes as much sense as anything else you've ever posted, kudos for your clarity of thought.
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It actually makes a lot of sense, you just have to understand the message. How clearly does he have to say it, man?
 
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joevol320 said:
this cap and trade tax will kill us. the EPA has to be the new KGB.
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Comparing the EPA to the KGB? Wow, joe. You look smarter every time you post. Keep it up. I'm going to make a website of your posts similar to the one Les Miles has.
 
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The free market should determine whether or not alternative energy is economically viable right now, not my tax dollars period. If the public wants it, then they will get it. Remember when there were waiting lists for the Prius?? Now, they can't give those things away fast enough. Are we now going to start calling people idiots because they are choosing that the Prius isn't as economically viable as once thought?? The replacement batteries alone cost more than you can buy 2 decent used cars for at the same time.
 
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There is no doubt that the benefits of driving a hybrid car are insubstantial currently and even with the new tax incentives it will take so long to recoup your money vs. buying a gas saver car that many do not see the benefit.

That's precisely why money should (and is) be going into R&D toward a more viable option.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
There is no doubt that the benefits of driving a hybrid car are insubstantial currently and even with the new tax incentives it will take so long to recoup your money vs. buying a gas saver car that many do not see the benefit.

That's precisely why money should (and is) be going into R&D toward a more viable option.
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That's the problem though Sab, they want MORE and they don't want the free market to dictate that. They want all the free money they can get, and our tax money is in their sights. I can promise you this, if Health Care and Cap and Tax pass in the same year, within the next 4 years, they will have to raise minimum wage by $3 a hour, just to offset the tax hikes and price increases in the private sector. How do you think they will recoup the money they will be taxed upon?? Through you and me.
 
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It's all about allocation and spending. You are mistaken if you think there is any sort of significant tax hike in our future.
 
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Sabanocchio said:
It's all about allocation and spending. You are mistaken if you think there is any sort of significant tax hike in our future.
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No, I'm not bro, and it's not just the taxes we should concern ourselves with, it's the price hikes in foods and other goods that will be a trickle down effect. Because companies WILL try and recoup lost revenue because of the tax hikes.
 
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the problem is that these technologies just aren't there and probably will NEVER get there. hate to agree with joeyvol, but he is correct. wind energy will never work. very few places in the world have continous wind. solar energy is unbelievably expensive and the sun only shines 14 hours a day. trying to get alternative energy over 10% of our energy production is just asking to double or triple our energy bills. that isn't to say we shouldn't support research, which we have, but the obama plan is just plain stupid.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
No, I'm not bro, and it's not just the taxes we should concern ourselves with, it's the price hikes in foods and other goods that will be a trickle down effect. Because companies WILL try and recoup lost revenue because of the tax hikes.
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They will never survive with that philosophy. They will adapt or a competitor that is willing to abide by the rules will steal all their business. That's the way it works. That's the way it's working now in the EUETS. Why is it that Europe is always a step ahead of us on these types of things?
 
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