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No amendment is needed because the language in the 14th Amendment is clear. I mentioned this a while back, and my interpretation of the language was correct.
How are they not subject to the jurisdiction of the US? They aren’t diplomats.

Plenty of illegal immigrants are charged with crimes or subject to our laws every day - that is “subject to the jurisdiction.”

What am I missing?
 
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How are they not subject to the jurisdiction of the US? They aren’t diplomats.

Plenty of illegal immigrants are charged with crimes or subject to our laws every day - that is “subject to the jurisdiction.”

What am I missing?
No it is not. They are subject to the juridiction of whatever country the parents were citizens of before they illegally entered the US.

Here is a link to a video from Life, Liberty & Levin where he explains the meaning of that terminology in the 14th Amendment and the history behind it.

 
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It took 100hrs…


Sometimes the difference in success and failure is a thin line, but the difference in competence and incompetence is miles wide.

The Biden Administration and the the left in general is an incompetent coalition that uses a graceful system to gain power through manipulation.
 
No it is not. They are subject to the juridiction of whatever country the parents were citizens of before they illegally entered the US.

Here is a link to a video from Life, Liberty & Levin where he explains the meaning of that terminology in the 14th Amendment and the history behind it.

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No it is not. They are subject to the juridiction of whatever country the parents were from before they illegally entered the US.

Here is a link to a video from Life, Liberty & Levin where he explains the meaning of that terminology in the 14th Amendment and the history behind it.

I watched as much of that as I could; Levin’s style is just intolerable to me. I get tired of being yelled at.

I don’t find his argument persuasive. If the test was “allegiance”, that is the language that could have been used. They didn’t.

I just don’t see how our incarceration of illegal immigrants when they break the law, our demand that they obtain driver’s licenses to drive, our provision of social services to illegals, and the many other ways in which those here illegally must (rightfully) submit to laws and authority is anything other than clear and overwhelming evidence that illegal immigrants are subject to our jurisdiction.

I don’t even think it is a close call, but we will see how the courts handle this.

In any event, thanks for the reply and the link.
 
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I watched as much of that as I could; Levin’s style is just intolerable to me. I get tired of being yelled at.

I don’t find his argument persuasive. If the test was “allegiance”, that is the language that could have been used. They didn’t.

I just don’t see how our incarceration of illegal immigrants when they break the law, our demand that they obtain driver’s licenses to drive, our provision of social services to illegals, and the many other ways in which those here illegally must (rightfully) submit to laws and authority is anything other than clear and overwhelming evidence that illegal immigrants are subject to our jurisdiction.

I don’t even think it is a close call, but we will see how the courts handle this.

In any event, thanks for the reply and the link.
Because everyone is subject to the laws of the country they're in, even if the citizens of another country. Which is how and why countries place importance on appealing diplomatically to protect their citizens abroad.

Words change in usage over time, and is why the intent in the age the constitution was inked must be determined.
Levin is fine man and great mind.
 
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Yes, "not required" to use TSA. I see.

What Airport Does Not Use Tsa?

San Francisco International Airport is one of a handful of airports in the United States that does not use the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) for its security screening. Instead, the airport employs private contractors to provide this service. There are a number of reasons why an airport might choose to do this, including the potential for increased efficiency and effectiveness.

The part in bold is my favorite.
 
I watched as much of that as I could; Levin’s style is just intolerable to me. I get tired of being yelled at.

I don’t find his argument persuasive. If the test was “allegiance”, that is the language that could have been used. They didn’t.

I just don’t see how our incarceration of illegal immigrants when they break the law, our demand that they obtain driver’s licenses to drive, our provision of social services to illegals, and the many other ways in which those here illegally must (rightfully) submit to laws and authority is anything other than clear and overwhelming evidence that illegal immigrants are subject to our jurisdiction.

I don’t even think it is a close call, but we will see how the courts handle this.

In any event, thanks for the reply and the link.
You are correct that it isn't close. I think that in the Gettysburg Address, Lincoln should have simply said 87 years ago, but he didn't. He used language that was commonly understood at that time by everybody that heard it. In the same way, the language utilized in the 14th Amendment and the underlying contextual history of that law was commonly understood by everybody at the time that it was written. Liberals have since bastardized the original meaning of the 14th Amendment. They will usually completely leave out "...and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" when discussing it. Since they have controlled both the Supreme Court and the educational system for so long, they have indoctrinated generations of Americans to accept their skewed meaning of the 14th Amendment. Luckily, we now have a number of solid originalists on the Supreme Court. It will take time to work itself through the courts, but I fully expect this to be resolved in Trump's and the nation's favor.
 
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Too bad numerous courts, including the Supreme Court, say that's incorrect. If the amendment is amended, so be it. You can make a case for that based on changes in the circumstances over 150 years.

But two things. First, don't pretend the language is other than it is. Second, understand that if you change the Fourteenth Amendment to reflect modern times, that means that others can be changed as well...

...for example the Second.
 

What Airport Does Not Use Tsa?

San Francisco International Airport is one of a handful of airports in the United States that does not use the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) for its security screening. Instead, the airport employs private contractors to provide this service. There are a number of reasons why an airport might choose to do this, including the potential for increased efficiency and effectiveness.

The part in bold is my favorite.
What?!? The federal government is the very model of efficiency and effectiveness.
 
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Too bad numerous courts, including the Supreme Court, say that's incorrect. If the amendment is amended, so be it. You can make a case for that based on changes in the circumstances over 150 years.

But two things. First, don't pretend the language is other than it is. Second, understand that if you change the Fourteenth Amendment to reflect modern times, that means that others can be changed as well...

...for example the Second.
The Supreme Court and various lower court rulings also wrote into existence the Constitutional "right to abortion". The Supreme Court later ruled that was an erroneous Supreme Court decision. I am not arguing for a change to the 14th Amendment. I am arguing that the language used in the actual 14th Amendment (not the bastardized subsequent liberal legal spin on the 14th Amendment) was clear, and the Supreme Court will rule as such.

...and lawgator, you should watch the video that I linked above if you haven't already done so.
 
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