President Donald Trump - J.D. Vance Administration

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Buddy’s Bandit said:
My apologies…I started reading it mid-post. I just responded to this in my response. To my understanding, RealID replaces the TN Drives LIC which 1) allows you to drive 2) allows you to fly domestically without your passport and 3) provides admissible identification to vote in TN.

It still does not require that type response.
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So useless govt replacing a system that wasn't broken and lying about the reasoning. Got it
 
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utvolpj said:
The question is why it's necessary and how it makes elections more secure. The snarky response is because you quote posts but fail to address their topic.
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Respectfully, this question has been answered numerous times, and asking additional poster to answer it again won't give new answers.

The argument is that different states have had different requirements for issuing driver's licenses and state identification cards. After 9/11, the terrorists were found to have multiple state IDs and DLs. The Federal Government, Democrats and Republicans, decided that having a measure of uniformity in requirements for getting/verifying state IDs would help cut down on issuance of multiple IDS or fraudulent IDs, and would thereby make flying safer by having more accurate identification of those boarding airplanes.

Those Democrats and Republicans didn't really have an ability to coerce the state governments into whatever standards they wanted to impose for issuance of those IDs, so they coerced the states into providing the Federally-sanctioned Real IDs, with the new uniform "secure" guarantees, in order to overcome "reasonable restrictions" placed on certain rights, such as the right to travel domestically by airline - a timely and legitimate concern in the early to mid 2000's. Once citizens of the states had to have Real ID to travel, the states had to meet those standards in the issuance of those IDs for their citizens to travel. Federal Government coercion of State Government, who would have thought it, right?

With this history, (the notion of Real ID somehow being more "reliable," "safer," "more secure," "harder to forge," or whatever framework you wish to give it), the government is now trying to use those Real ID justifications for flight and apply them to the voting booth. After all, if Real ID makes it more likely you are who you say you are when boarding a plane, it follows that it makes it more likely you are who you say you are when entering the voting booth, thereby decreasing chance of fraudulent ballots and, presumably, increasing trust in the electoral system.

There is it. That simple.

Now, I have my own doubts about the practical impact of this all, not to mention the true motivations of the proponents of this action, and it is apparent you do as well. I suspect we agree on the lack of necessity of requiring Real ID to secure elections, if not the utter futility of the entire exercise. Regardless, I gather that is the argument: Better IDs make for less likelihood of fraudulent votes, which is good, just like they make less likelihood of terrorists getting on to airplanes, which is also good.

I don't think anyone saw Real ID to be a future impediment to access to the ballot box, but here we are. I suspect this is just the beginning of all of our government's "good" for us on the Real ID front. Once one gives the government the ability to control one's life, government rarely willingly and freely gives back the tool of that control.

Cheers,

RW
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Respectfully, this question has been answered numerous times, and asking additional poster to answer it again won't give new answers.

The argument is that different states have had different requirements for issuing driver's licenses and state identification cards. After 9/11, the terrorists were found to have multiple state IDs and DLs. The Federal Government, Democrats and Republicans, decided that having a measure of uniformity in requirements for getting/verifying state IDs would help cut down on issuance of multiple IDS or fraudulent IDs, and would thereby make flying safer by having more accurate identification of those boarding airplanes.

Those Democrats and Republicans didn't really have an ability to coerce the state governments into whatever standards they wanted to impose for issuance of those IDs, so they coerced the states into providing the Federally-sanctioned Real IDs, with the new uniform "secure" guarantees, in order to overcome "reasonable restrictions" placed on certain rights, such as the right to travel domestically by airline - a timely and legitimate concern in the early to mid 2000's. Once citizens of the states had to have Real ID to travel, the states had to meet those standards in the issuance of those IDs for their citizens to travel. Federal Government coercion of State Government, who would have thought it, right?

With this history, (the notion of Real ID somehow being more "reliable," "safer," "more secure," "harder to forge," or whatever framework you wish to give it), the government is now trying to use those Real ID justifications for flight and apply them to the voting booth. After all, if Real ID makes it more likely you are who you say you are when boarding a plane, it follows that it makes it more likely you are who you say you are when entering the voting booth, thereby decreasing chance of fraudulent ballots and, presumably, increasing trust in the electoral system.

There is it. That simple.

Now, I have my own doubts about the practical impact of this all, not to mention the true motivations of the proponents of this action, and it is apparent you do as well. I suspect we agree on the lack of necessity of requiring Real ID to secure elections, if not the utter futility of the entire exercise. Regardless, I gather that is the argument: Better IDs make for less likelihood of fraudulent votes, which is good, just like they make less likelihood of terrorists getting on to airplanes, which is also good.

I don't think anyone saw Real ID to be a future impediment to access to the ballot box, but here we are. I suspect this is just the beginning of all of our government's "good" for us on the Real ID front. Once one gives the government the ability to control one's life, government rarely willingly and freely gives back the tool of that control.

Cheers,

RW
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No one has given a good answer other than the govt says we need it. That's simply not good enough

First, anything passed post 9/11 under the guise of security is complete govt bs. Saying it makes planes safer is equal to saying the TSA makes travel safer. It's a lie and just theater

The feds don't control elections. It's that simple. There's nothing to show that an appreciable number of people are getting fake IDs and voting. States don't even have to require it for voting so it's unnecessary. Non citizens can get the real id anyways. This does nothing but feed the ignorant paranoia of stolen elections.

It's big govt dictating to the states. Big govt from an admin that claims to want to shrink govt. It doesn't make anyone or anything safer or more secure. It also inconveniences millions with the new requirements and forces them to the dmv which is the perfect example of big govt
 
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utvolpj said:
No one has given a good answer other than the govt says we need it. That's simply not good enough
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I don't disagree. At all. But that is the only answer you are going to get. Keep asking for more, you will drive yourself crazy. There is no other reason.
utvolpj said:
First, anything passed post 9/11 under the guise of security is complete govt bs. Saying it makes planes safer is equal to saying the TSA makes travel safer. It's a lie and just theater
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Sounds like we fly the same airlines and through the same airports.
utvolpj said:
The feds don't control elections. It's that simple. There's nothing to show that an appreciable number of people are getting fake IDs and voting. States don't even have to require it for voting so it's unnecessary. Non citizens can get the real id anyways. This does nothing but feed the ignorant paranoia of stolen elections.
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So I was right when I posted, "Now, I have my own doubts about the practical impact of this all, not to mention the true motivations of the proponents of this action, and it is apparent you do as well. I suspect we agree on the lack of necessity of requiring Real ID to secure elections, if not the utter futility of the entire exercise."

Glad to know we are on the same page.
utvolpj said:
It's big govt dictating to the states. Big govt from an admin that claims to want to shrink govt. It doesn't make anyone or anything safer or more secure. It also inconveniences millions with the new requirements and forces them to the dmv which is the perfect example of big govt
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Again from my post: "Federal Government coercion of State Government, who would have thought it, right?"

You asked for an answer to the question of how this made elections more secure. I tried to give it as thoroughly as I could so that you would have an answer. You don't have to like it. But there it is. If what you want is an answer that will satisfy you, or that you think are sufficient on balance to offset the negative impact, I don't think you are going to find that; I know I haven't.
 
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I can't stand Blackwater but I would rather this than endless mindless wars that have no purpose they are involved in. They are going to have to make the assembly line for deportation and removal much faster. (follow up to my post about streamlining removal)
 
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VOLLeeann said:
ChatGPT Declares Trump's Physical Results 'Virtually Impossible': 'Usually Only Seen in Elite Bodybuilders'

No lies, yes? He's a funny guy with a weird senseless humour. Yes?

www.latintimes.com

ChatGPT Declares Trump's Physical Results 'Virtually Impossible': 'Usually Only Seen in Elite Bodybuilders'

A viral TikTok shows ChatGPT calling Trump's reported weight and height "virtually impossible," fueling online jokes and renewed scrutiny over his health.
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Did the aliens ask you why you care about nonsense?
 
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