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Rasputin_Vol said:
I wonder why some would want to chant that in the streets?
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I dont need a history lesson. But that was 40 years ago and just a lame ass vilification to unite the populace.
Iran hates the US because we support Israel. You know the state they want to wipe off the face of the Earth.

Where us your outrage in their meddling, Russian invasion, etc?
Why do they get a pass for their FP?
 
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rekinhavoc said:
Hostages, sponsors of terrorism, and generally being azzholes.
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Had it not been for 1953 overthrow of Mossedegh and the installation of The Shah, there would not be the level of outrage that came a quarter century later.

And once the US pivoted to supporting the Saudis in the mid-1970s, The Shah became less relevent. Plus, the Shah had been gradualling pivoting away from US interests around this time.

And one thing you need to ask yourself is how did the Ayotollah, who was in exile in France, end up back in Iran.

US had extensive contact with Ayatollah Khomeini before Iran revolution

It was previously known that Ruhollah Khomeini, the charismatic leader of the Iranian revolution, had exchanged some messages with the US through an intermediary while living in exile in Paris. But new documents seen by the BBC’s Persian service show he went to a great lengths to ensure the Americans would not jeopardise his plans to return to Iran – and even personally wrote to US officials.

The BBC’s reporting suggests that the Carter administration took heed of Khomeini’s pledges, and in effect paved the way for his return by holding the Iranian army back from launching a military coup.
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So again, you guys have misplaced outrage. Instead of you guys carrying all of this hate and venom towards the people of Iran that have done nothing to us, why don't you turn that outrage towards your own govt for destabilizing the most westernized country in the Middle East in 1953, and then regime changing them again 25 years later and installing a Islamic fundamentalist govt.
 
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Orangeburst said:
I dont need a history lesson. But that was 40 years ago and just a lame ass vilification to unite the populace.
Iran hates the US because we support Isreal.
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They likely have hate for the US because the US supported 2 regime change operations in that country within 25 years of each other. I would say the Iranians have a justifiable disdain for the US.

Orangeburst said:
You know the state they want to wipe off the face of the Earth.
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What are you talking about?

Orangeburst said:
Where us your outrage in their meddling, Russian invasion, etc?
Why do they get a pass for their FP?
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Again, what are you talking about specifically?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
They likely have hate for the US because the US supported 2 regime change operations in that country within 25 years of each other. I would say the Iranians have a justifiable disdain for the US.


What are you talking about?


Again, what are you talking about specifically.
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Ok I am done with you and your naivety takes. Just like yesterday. Bye.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Had it not been for 1953 overthrow of Mossedegh and the installation of The Shah, there would not be the level of outrage that came a quarter century later.

And once the US pivoted to supporting the Saudis in the mid-1970s, The Shah became less relevent. Plus, the Shah had been gradualling pivoting away from US interests around this time.

And one thing you need to ask yourself is how did the Ayotollah, who was in exile in France, end up back in Iran.

US had extensive contact with Ayatollah Khomeini before Iran revolution



So again, you guys have misplaced outrage. Instead of you guys carrying all of this hate and venom towards the people of Iran that have done nothing to us, why don't you turn that outrage towards your own govt for destabilizing the most westernized country in the Middle East in 1953, and then regime changing them again 25 years later and installing a Islamic fundamentalist govt.
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How 'bout no?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
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But employees are making a decent wage. You refuse to learn about the wage/price spiral. Costs for goods and services increase without a change in productivity (and increased productivity due to wage increases is a myth), the price has to increase, and then consumers/workers insist on wage increases to keep up ... and the labor cost for goods and services goes up ... The proverbial dog chasing his tail. Government isn't the only inflation driver. Government just has many ways to participate ... overspending that fires up the economy, minimum wage increases, diddling with energy cost and supply, are some that directly hit the economy.
 
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AM64 said:
But employees are making a decent wage.
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Decent... your words... not mine.

Even you knew enough not to say that these guys are not high rolling in a galloping inflation environment.

AM64 said:
You refuse to learn about the wage/price spiral.
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I understand perfectly. But we differ on just how significant wages are driving inflation, even though we likely agree on govt intervention being a major driver.

AM64 said:
Costs for goods and services increase without a change in productivity (and increased productivity due to wage increases is a myth), the price has to increase, and then consumers/workers insist on wage increases to keep up ... and the labor cost for goods and services goes up ... The proverbial dog chasing his tail.
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I agree.

AM64 said:
Government isn't the only inflation driver.
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Govt is the most significant inflation driver.

AM64 said:
Government just has many ways to participate ... overspending that fires up the economy, minimum wage increases, diddling with energy cost and supply, are some that directly hit the economy.
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Here is where you finally get to the heart of the matter. Instead of demonizing the workers, go after govt for creating these conditions. You act like you forgot how the economy and labor market was turned upside down since 2020.
 
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AM64 said:
But employees are making a decent wage. You refuse to learn about the wage/price spiral. Costs for goods and services increase without a change in productivity (and increased productivity due to wage increases is a myth), the price has to increase, and then consumers/workers insist on wage increases to keep up ... and the labor cost for goods and services goes up ... The proverbial dog chasing his tail. Government isn't the only inflation driver. Government just has many ways to participate ... overspending that fires up the economy, minimum wage increases, diddling with energy cost and supply, are some that directly hit the economy.
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THIS!
 
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