President Obama will not accept repayment of tarp money.

[thunder5]

That's what I'm saying about obama and his long relationship with islamo-marxo-fascists.



Well no, but a couple of prime examples of bigots who often are apt to use the word 'bigot' to describe others are Sharpton and Jackson.

In a recent poll 11% of Americans believe Obama is muslim and the majority of the muslim world believes Obama is muslim, he was proclaimed to be a muslim by a head of state, Qadaffi or Libya. (among other religious and political notables.)




Are you familiar with either 'black liberation theology' or the islamic practice of 'taqqiya' (or deception)?

And don't forget obama himself wrote that one of his most proud moments was when his (half) brother converted to islam and that brother now advocates black liberation theology now in kenya.

Liberation theology at work.



Majority of Americans lack understanding of Islam


Islam isn't just religion but is a political, legal and economic system, which makes it dovetail nicely with socialist systems either of corporate/fascist or marxist/communist rule.

You must realize the fact that obama's church of choice, a so-called christian church, was founded by a man who holds a degree in islamic studies and was a former member of the Nation of Islam, a patently anti-white racist hate group, if he had ever in reality refuted islam then a fatwafor his death would have been issued but has not.

One dead giveaway is that Wright, of "damn America" fame, accords Jesus the position of a 'prophet', a muslim claim but not the 'Son of God' position, which is a tenant of the Christian faith.

Suffice it to say, the so-called church which Obama joined for the self confessed reason or gaining respect in the neighborhood to further his marxist community organizing efforts, teaches a bastardized version of Christianity that is political and marxist but not really 'Christian.'




That is your opinion, otoh it could be an effort to inform those who are ignorant of the facts.

Those are all interesting points that I wasn't aware of...if they are indeed infallabale truths then I will have to trust our system of checks and balances to keep him from "destroying our country"...

But as far as the OP...your right that it is my opinion about his intent and only he knows what exactly that intent is...but I don't think it's a stretch to believe that intent is to inflame and take shots...and I'm conifident that if you took a poll on it most in this forum would agree...

Proposed poll..."What do you think joeyallvol'sjoevol320's intent is when he calls Obama a muslim and by the name Hussein?"

a. To inform us that his middle name is indeed hussein and he might have ties to Islam?

b. To inflame and take downright childish shots at the POTUS

 

[gsvol]

'the muslim' and refers to Obama by a name that he has never gone by because that name unfortunately is shared with a man that will forever live in infamy...then I'm going to call that what it is...a bigoted attempt to inflame and incite

"a man that will forever live in infamy?"

To whom do you refer???

According to the NYTimes, a huge Obama cheerleader (probably because Obama supports all things gay/lesbian/transsexual), Barry does an excellent job of reciting the muslim evening call to prayer in Arabic.

In the world of Islam, that is considered as an affirmation that one is a muslim and Obama did slip up in an ABC TV interview and mention 'my muslim faith.'

As president Obama's first call to a foreign figure was to a muslim Palistinian leader.

As president Obama's first TV appearance was on an Arabic network.

I think Joe's intent is more to bait Obama supporters than to 'inflame and incite' but that's jmo, I havn't asked him.

Two Muslim imans guided Obama inside the Blue Mosque and the president smiled when they showed him a dome scripture mentioning the Prophet Mohammed's grandson Hussein, Obama's middle name.....

Barry pandering to the Turks.

“We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world, including in my own country,”
BHO

(Pardon me, I must have skipped history class the day the teacher mentioned anything about islam contributing to the well being or the history of the US, other than the Barbary war and the islamo/fascists we fought just over a half century ago.)

“We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation,”
BHO

(maybe he should have used 'myself' instead of 'we'.)

"We Recognize no Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus"
John Hancock

“The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.”
John Quincy Adams 6th US President
and son of John Adams

“The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.”
The US Congress 1782

“Only one adequate plan has ever appeared in the world, and that is the Christian dispensation.”
- John Jay, First Cheif Justice of the Supreme Court

“The United States of America were no longer Colonies. They were an independent nation of Christians.”
- John Qunicy Adams

“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
John Adams

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.

But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men.

He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can NO LONGER RESIST."

Marcus Tullius Cicero

 

[gsvol]

Those are all interesting points that I wasn't aware of...if they are indeed infallabale truths then I will have to trust our system of checks and balances to keep him from "destroying our country"...

BTW, Barry and Michelle are the first couple in the history of America to fail to attend any church while residing in the White House as president and first lady.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
- John Adams

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
~ Benito Mussolini

Is this policy what the Obama administration is pursuing as strongly as possible??

"The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements. [...] They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results."
- Benito Mussolini

Is this what Obama and Holder would like to do??

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA – ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State."
– Heinrich Himmler

“It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans (Muslims), pagans, etc., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States.

Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President or other high office, [unless] first the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen.

Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves."
Samuel Johnston

"To the kindly influence of Christianity we owe that degree of civil freedom, and political and social happiness which mankind now enjoys. . . .

Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government, and all blessings which flow from them, must fall with them."
- Jedediah Morse

“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.”
- George Washington

"To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society"
- Theodore Roosevelt

 

[KingNick865]

Are you serious?

Is this honestly what comes to mind when you think of President Obama?

I can't even begin to fathom the level of ignorance it takes for someone's mind to go there...

Talk about pure, unadulterated, unabashed, 'good ol' boy' bigotry at it's finest...

You're living, breathing proof that the right to vote should come with a minimum IQ requirement

When you learn not to take him seriously, you'll find any ongoing discussion a more enjoyable experience.

 

[HawaiiVol]

It turns out that the Treasury has in fact accepted TARP repayment: The Bank of Marin Bancorp in California paid down $28 million, Old National Bancorp in Evansville, Ind., paid back all $100 million, Signature Bank in New York repaid $120 million, and Iberiabank Corp. in Lafayette, La., paid back $90 million.

Will The White House & Treasury Let the Big Banks Repay TARP Money? - Money and Politics Blog - CNBC.com

The sticking point is in the larger banks apparently, which are awaiting stress test results before being able to repay.

 

[thunder5]

I think Joe's intent is more to bait Obama supporters than to 'inflame and incite' but that's jmo, I havn't asked him.

What is the purpose of this? What is the point of 'baiting' anyone...if you are confident in your position then you stick to facts...not childish tactics such as 'baiting'

Two Muslim imans guided Obama inside the Blue Mosque and the president smiled when they showed him a dome scripture mentioning the Prophet Mohammed's grandson Hussein, Obama's middle name.....

Obama passed a man with a shaved head wearing an orange robe and he proceeded to cough...does this mean he's a Buddhist now?

Barry pandering to the Turks.

“We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation or a Jewish nation or a Muslim nation,”
BHO

(maybe he should have used 'myself' instead of 'we'.)

"We Recognize no Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus"
John Hancock

“The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected in one indissoluble bond the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity.”
John Quincy Adams 6th US President
and son of John Adams

“The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.”
The US Congress 1782

“Only one adequate plan has ever appeared in the world, and that is the Christian dispensation.”
- John Jay, First Cheif Justice of the Supreme Court

“The United States of America were no longer Colonies. They were an independent nation of Christians.”
- John Qunicy Adams

“ The general principles upon which the Fathers achieved independence were the general principals of Christianity… I will avow that I believed and now believe that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
John Adams

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of... Each of those churches accuse the other of unbelief; and for my own part, I disbelieve them all."- Thomas Paine

Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth." - Thomas Jefferson

"Lighthouses are more useful than churches" Ben Franklin

Interesting that you(someone obviously very skilled with words and quotes) can find quotes from our founding fathers supporting Christianity but will breeze right over ones like these...

I'm not trying to take a shot at Christianity...I'm pointing out your tendency to only acknowledge things that support your point of view (hmmm..this sounds familiar...wasn't there a discussion about the meaning of the word bigot in this thread)

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
- John Adams

You'll have to forgive me if I don't subscribe to your loose interpretation of the word fact

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
~ Benito Mussolini

Is this policy what the Obama administration is pursuing as strongly as possible??

"The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements. [...] They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results."
- Benito Mussolini

Is this what Obama and Holder would like to do??

So quotes from a dictator who was overthrown 70 years ago are now proof that Obama is going to destroy the U.S.?


"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA – ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State."
– Heinrich Himmler

“It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans (Muslims), pagans, etc., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States.

Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President or other high office, [unless] first the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen.

Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves."
Samuel Johnston

"To the kindly influence of Christianity we owe that degree of civil freedom, and political and social happiness which mankind now enjoys. . . .

Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government, and all blessings which flow from them, must fall with them."
- Jedediah Morse

“What students would learn in American schools above all is the religion of Jesus Christ.”
- George Washington

"To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society"
- Theodore Roosevelt

I applaud your song and dance...but this begs the question...why are taking such time and effort to quote some of our countries greatest minds while offering no substantiative evidence that Obama is truly the threat you make him out to be?

Look...this has been fun and in alot of ways informative...but I'm done with the discussion...

You believe what you want and I'll believe what I want...

The fact remains Obama has yet to turn this country into a socialist, marxist, islamic state...

If you want to truly live in fear of that outcome then by all means go for it...

I'm sure you'll come back with an eloquent retort that includes qoutes from great historical minds and handful of conincidental actions from Obama that you perceive as 'fact' of his 'true intentions'...

And all of this lyrical postering from you won't change the fact that no one man will ever have the power in this country to bring on the type of islamo-marxist-fascist society that you seem hell bent on believing Obama is aiming for

 

[joevol320]

Look...this has been fun and in alot of ways informative...but I'm done with the discussion...

You believe what you want and I'll believe what I want...

The fact remains Obama has yet to turn this country into a socialist, marxist, islamic state...

If you want to truly live in fear of that outcome then by all means go for it...

I'm sure you'll come back with an eloquent retort that includes qoutes from great historical minds and handful of conincidental actions from Obama that you perceive as 'fact' of his 'true intentions'...

And all of this lyrical postering from you won't change the fact that no one man will ever have the power in this country to bring on the type of islamo-marxist-fascist society that you seem hell bent on believing Obama is aiming for

are you serious, boy you don't read any do you? you should study your boy hussein and look at the people who influenced him and the people who he's placed in various positions.

he's pushing us farther and farther into socialism/marxism right under your nose.

 

[thunder5]

are you serious, boy you don't read any do you? you should study your boy hussein and look at the people who influenced him and the people who he's placed in various positions.

he's pushing us farther and farther into socialism/marxism right under your nose.

Just out of curiosity and for my own amusement could you please give me some examples of articles that you're reading that lead you to the conclusion that we will soon be living in this type of society?

Oh wait...half of page 1 of this forum is littered with the ultra conservative, right-winged propaganda you obviously spend all day buying into...

And you call me the sheep..lol:

 

[gsvol]

For now, I'm calling BS on this. This really is an example of a pathetically shameful article. With about 10 seconds of research, I found the original story (blog really, not even a story) by Napolitano on foxnews from 2008:

Our Government Engaged In EXTORTION With Our Banks! FOX Forum FOXNews.com

I would consider two things first. One, the link in the OP starts out by saying that money is being paid back, and the government is accepting. Second, the genesis of all this is from the said link above, written in Sept. 2008 about the Bush administration threatening an audit of the banks, then the WSJ (another Murdoch holding) picks it up, and runs with it with a negative Obama spin. Just another example of Obama being the scapegoat for the failures of the previous administration.

Furthermore, it is utterly ridiculous to write an article in the WSJ and refuse to cite names and details (you know, the important things) because of "retaliation". You can bet your bottom dollar if they actually did have names and details it would be front page material, and not an obscure article with no substantiation anywhere else that I can find on the net.

You guys seem to enjoy finding any kind of slander you can about Obama and using it as an excuse to get riled up. Whatever...carry on.

What is your opinion of "Investor's Business Daily"?

excerpt;

Andrew Napolitano reported last week on Fox News that he had spoken to the head of a $250-billion bank the night before who said Washington forced him to take TARP funds last September.

Napolitano said this bank "has no subprime loans, it has no bad debts, wasn't involved in credit default swaps. It didn't need any money. It didn't ask for the money and didn't want it. . . . officials from both the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation and the Treasury said if you don't take this money, we will conduct a multi-year public audit of you."

The Fox News analyst said the bank's "board was forced to issue a class of stock just for the federal government. The federal government owns 2% of this huge bank."

That was done under the Bush administration. Enter the Obama White House. Last month, Napolitano said, Treasury told the bank "we own 2%, we're going to tell you how to run the place."

"As a result of that minority ownership, they now want to control salaries. They want to see his books, and they want to tell him who he can do business with," Napolitano reported.

Before his trip to Europe, President Obama, according to Politico, told a group of financial institution CEOs who were unhappy with the federal war on executive salaries and bonuses, "My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks." At the time, that sounded like nothing more than exaggeration.

An incident at the same meeting in which Geithner declined to take a fake $25 billion TARP repayment check from JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon also seemed to be meaningful.

Later, says Politico, "Dimon also insisted that he'd like to give the government's TARP money back as soon as practical . . . But Obama didn't like that idea — arguing that the system still needs government capital."

Looking back, these are small signs that reveal the administration's desire to seize command of the nation's financial system.

The bigger, unmistakable sign is the reluctance — or is it outright refusal? — to take $340 million from four banks trying to be responsible and operate on their own.

For anyone to say that the prevailing policy of the American government isn't alarmingly fascistic at this time is to reveal one's ignorance, either of current events or of what fascism is.

BTW, RJD, the Associated Press is the primary news outlet for the whole world and they daily quote anonymous sources, why not call BS on their crap??

It is easy to see why a banking executive wouldn't want his name in print, he could likely be out of a job in a hurry under present governmental policy.

"Back in the thirties we were told we must collectivize the nation because the people were so poor. Now we are told we must collectivize the nation because the people are so rich."
--National Review founder William F. Buckley Jr. (1925-2008)

"If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there'd be a shortage of sand."
--Nobel prize-winning economist Milton Friedman (1912-2006)

"It's recently been reported that President Obama is refusing to allow banks to repay their TARP funds. In other words, he's declined to allow them to exercise the 'accountability' he has rhetorically embraced. ... Could it be, after all, that President Obama's objective isn't so much to demand responsibility from the private sector than it is to strengthen the government's control over it?"
--columnist Carol Platt Liebau

"[M]ore important than the left's hypocrisy is their ongoing disrespect for the Constitution when it suits their political ends. We are living in a time when the very integrity of the Constitution is being threatened daily, from federal bailouts to federal assumption of control over private business."
--columnist David Limbaugh

"Socialists believe in government ownership of the means of production. Fascists believed in government control of privately owned businesses, which is much more the style of this government. That way, politicians can intervene whenever they feel like it and then, when their interventions turn out badly, summon executives from the private sector before Congress and denounce them on nationwide television."
--economist Thomas Sowell

 

[gsvol]

And all of this lyrical postering from you won't change the fact that no one man will ever have the power in this country to bring on the type of islamo-marxist-fascist society that you seem hell bent on believing Obama is aiming for

That's what the German people thought of Hitler and his Nazis.

"London hosted a Group of 20 meeting amid chaos. Chinese communists are now the capitalists, France's president is Hungarian, the Anglo-Saxons are being led by a socialist and a Kenyan, and Germany is refusing to send troops into other countries. Astronauts aboard the Space Station report the Earth is spinning backwards."
--comedian Argus Hamilton

 

[gsvol]

Conditions on Tarp repayments

Strong banks will be allowed to repay bail-out funds they received from the US government but only if such a move passes a test to determine whether it is in the national economic interest,.....