Private Sector screwing up

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President Obama speaks on Mine Safety and West Virginia coal mine tragedy (video)

"Some of the failures cited included management, oversight, and slipping through loopholes in safety laws that created an unsafe working environment."

If it wasn't so predictable, it would be funny (you know expect that people died. but governmet regulation has no part in punishing them :crazy:.)

I for one, hope, that manager never sees the light of day again
 
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Cash Vallin said:
President Obama speaks on Mine Safety and West Virginia coal mine tragedy (video)

"Some of the failures cited included management, oversight, and slipping through loopholes in safety laws that created an unsafe working environment."

If it wasn't so predictable, it would be funny (you know expect that people died. but governmet regulation has no part in punishing them :crazy:.)

I for one, hope, that manager never sees the light of day again
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I wonder how many government agencies follow all the rules that they set forth for themselves?? Hmmmmm.....:question:
 
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Troubling that Obama is using this case as fodder for his "more government control" agenda. You've hopped on that bandwagon with you thread title. More fear mongering from the WH.
 
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volinbham said:
Troubling that Obama is using this case as fodder for his "more government control" agenda. You've hopped on that bandwagon with you thread title. More fear mongering from the WH.
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With the man's enormous wealth of experience, he's one of the few who can eliminate accidents in the workplace.
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Obama doesn't miss a chance these days to make a example for why we need more assclowns in suits.
 
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I would almost bet anything that if government truly took over their management would have a much worse track record on safety. Could things improve? Yes, especially if the free market is at work. The PR nightmare these kind of things cause is enough to bring anyone to "Jesus" on safety.
 
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This annoys the crap out of me. I used to work in the mining industry and on average more people die in farming accidents than mining every year. Why is there not a push for more regulation in that industry?

Whenever there is a tragic accident all of the media and politicians are suddenly experts and quick to quote violations and problems. They fail to report that everytime any mine is inspected there is a violation. No mine is perfect. Some are better than others but they all have issues.

Is management to blame? Partially. Coal sells for $50-80 ton. You can mine 150-175 tons/hour. There is a lot of incentive to keep production going. Yet all of the regulation in the world will not change the fact that some mines run hot (methane gas), some are wet (flooding), others prone to roof collapse and some run into old mines (carbon monoxide). Accidents will happen. The only way to to eliminate mining deaths is to stop mining. Too many of us like electricity for that to happen plus the miners earn a great wage. They value their industry and want to keep it.
 
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OrangeYankee said:
I would almost bet anything that if government truly took over their management would have a much worse track record on safety. Could things improve? Yes, especially if the free market is at work. The PR nightmare these kind of things cause is enough to bring anyone to "Jesus" on safety.
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This is exactly true. Entire books have been written about how little society - as a whole - has benefited from many of our current federal regulations. In fact, often government regulation has been shown to make society worse off. This is not to say that government regulation cannot come to the aid in areas where the free market fails, but rather that our legislatures have done a fairly poor job in that respect. Before jumping on the government can fix everything bandwagon, the OP should do a little research into the success of current regulations. (OP, if you are truly interested in learning about this, here is a link to a good book on the subject: Government Failure versus Market Failure
 
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More private sectors screwing employees in search of the ole mighty dollar.

http://adventure.howstuffworks.com/...vation/responsible-fishing/alaska-fishing.htm

"These conditions add up to the deadliest occupation in the United States -- 128 per 100,000 Alaskan fishermen perished on the job in 2007, 26 times the national average [source: National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health]. Fishing deaths also make up about a third of all occupational fatalities in Alaska each year."

Yet, when the government puts its hand into private business:
"For that reason, flotation devices and other safety equipment can make a positive impact in decreasing the death rate. One study by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health found that among 71 fishermen who fell overboard, only 17 were wearing personal flotation devices, even though the devices make them more than eight times as likely to survive [source: National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health]. Thanks to required onboard safety equipment, the survival rate of crew members on sinking ships increased from 73 percent to 96 percent from 1996 to 2004 [source: National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health]."
 
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I'll take the risk of working in the private sector over public sector any day of the week.
 
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your choice. but this love of the private sector is just funny to me considering without regulation people would still be working for $3/hour under horrible conditions.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
More private sectors screwing employees in search of the ole mighty dollar.

HowStuffWorks "Why was Alaskan fishing named the most dangerous job in the world?"

"These conditions add up to the deadliest occupation in the United States -- 128 per 100,000 Alaskan fishermen perished on the job in 2007, 26 times the national average [source: National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health]. Fishing deaths also make up about a third of all occupational fatalities in Alaska each year."

Yet, when the government puts its hand into private business:
"For that reason, flotation devices and other safety equipment can make a positive impact in decreasing the death rate. One study by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health found that among 71 fishermen who fell overboard, only 17 were wearing personal flotation devices, even though the devices make them more than eight times as likely to survive [source: National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health]. Thanks to required onboard safety equipment, the survival rate of crew members on sinking ships increased from 73 percent to 96 percent from 1996 to 2004 [source: National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health]."
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So...you think it is the governments job to regulate common sense.
 
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when the bosses of these companies don't provide adequate safety regulations (essentially because it puts more money in their pocket) yes, the government has every right to step in.

that article proved regulation can work and did work... More lives were saved. Do the bosses get as much?? Probably not.

But oh well, people are still living and at very good wages.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
when the bosses of these companies don't provide adequate safety regulations (essentially because it puts more money in their pocket) yes, the government has every right to step in.

that article proved regulation can work and did work... More lives were saved. Do the bosses get as much?? Probably not.

But oh well, people are still living and at very good wages.
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Whats funny is thinking the government cares anymore about the safety of a coal mine.

It sounds good in a press conf., thats about it.
 
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Cash Vallin said:
when the bosses of these companies don't provide adequate safety regulations (essentially because it puts more money in their pocket) yes, the government has every right to step in.

that article proved regulation can work and did work... More lives were saved. Do the bosses get as much?? Probably not.

But oh well, people are still living and at very good wages.
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That is where we differ....I would make sure that I had the proper saftey equipment if I took a job on a fishing boat......it is that simple
I do not provide hard hats for any of my installation crews, but, I would not hire any one that is not smart enough to wear one on a site
 
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Cash Vallin said:
More private sectors screwing employees in search of the ole mighty dollar.

HowStuffWorks "Why was Alaskan fishing named the most dangerous job in the world?"

"These conditions add up to the deadliest occupation in the United States -- 128 per 100,000 Alaskan fishermen perished on the job in 2007, 26 times the national average [source: National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health]. Fishing deaths also make up about a third of all occupational fatalities in Alaska each year."

Yet, when the government puts its hand into private business:
"For that reason, flotation devices and other safety equipment can make a positive impact in decreasing the death rate. One study by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health found that among 71 fishermen who fell overboard, only 17 were wearing personal flotation devices, even though the devices make them more than eight times as likely to survive [source: National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health]. Thanks to required onboard safety equipment, the survival rate of crew members on sinking ships increased from 73 percent to 96 percent from 1996 to 2004 [source: National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health]."
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Please tell me you are smart enough to realize this blanket statement assumes no other variables - other than OSHA regulations - factored into this increase in survival rate: an assumption that is absolutely preposterous even to the average high school student.
 
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paul1454 said:
Please tell me you are smart enough to realize this blanket statement assumes no other variables - other than OSHA regulations - factored into this increase in survival rate: an assumption that is absolutely preposterous even to the average high school student.
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too much credit
 
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