Private Sector screwing up

and without regulation, the boss has nothing to lose if you die...

look up stats with this country in what many of us would call dangerous working conditions. with regulations,less people die. without them, more people have.

I didn't post this earlier because I was at work and didn't have access to this, but here is some data on the effectiveness of government safety regulation that you appear to advocate as clearly superior to market forces:

Workers may face health hazards at their workplaces because facilities and equipment are improperly maintained, conditions are dangerous, and so on. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) is empowered to reduce risk in the workplace by setting safety standards, conducting inspections to see that workplaces conform to them, and assessing penalties on employers who do not. OSHA’s sister agency, the Mine Safety and Health Administration (MSHA), performs these tasks for mines.

Figure 4-1a shows that the rate of occupational injuries in private industry has declined since the early 1970s, but OSHA’s contribution to the decline is questionable. Schultze (1977) criticized OSHA because it failed to address the greatest influence on the injury rate, the employee turnover rate (this influence was reported by Oi 1974), and instead focused on easily identifiable and correctable hazards that could be addressed effectively by the market (that is, companies have to pay employees higher wages, or compensating differentials, to work in hazardous conditions) and workers’ compensation. Workers’ compensation, which requires employers to purchase insurance to compensate workers if they are injured at work, is designed to reduce the litigation costs that would arise if workers could sue their employers for job-related injuries. The system provides a powerful incentive for employers to maintain safe workplaces because workers’ compensation insurance rates are tied to a firm’s injury experience (accident performance). Moore and Viscusi (1990) estimate that in the absence of workers’ compensation, job fatality rates in the United States would be as much as one-third greater than they are.

Considerable empirical evidence, including time series studies by Bartel and Thomas (1985), Viscusi (1986), and Smith (1992) and simulations by Kniesner and Leeth (1999), indicates OSHA regulations and enforcement have had a modest effect, at best, and often a statistically insignificant effect on the workplace accident rate. Gray and Scholz (1993) contended that researchers have tended to underestimate OSHA’s impact on safety, but their quantitative estimates are actually quite similar to Viscusi’s.8 Finally, Weil (1996) found that OSHA inspections of plants in the custom woodworking industry influence plants to comply with machine-guarding standards. But he failed to find a strong link between the inspections and lost days of work, which implies that the standards are not targeting the causes of the most serious injuries. As noted, workers’ compensation and market forces—and in all likelihood increasing societal wealth—have contributed to improvements in workplace safety. OSHA’s ineffectiveness appears to be explained by poorly designed safety standards, weak enforcement, and a lack of a significant safety problem at most workplaces.9 Accordingly, the social desirability of OSHA’s activity is clearly in question.

Notwithstanding the long-term decline in coal mine fatalities shown in figure 4-1b, recent tragedies in three mines have raised concerns about whether the Mine Safety and Health Administration needs to strengthen enforcement of mine safety standards. Industry observers assert that growing mechanization of equipment has contributed to mine safety and that MSHA’s role has been minimal because fines for safety violations are small, negotiable, and often not even collected.

Sider’s (1983) assessment of mine safety attributed reductions in fatalities per man-hour to improvements in productivity rather than to changes in mining operations induced by regulation. Similar to workers in other occupations that face significant risks to their health from inherent working conditions, miners have received wage premiums to compensate them for the risks they take by working in mines, such as breathing harmful air matter, suffering injuries, or even dying if a mine collapses. Thus mine owners have a strong financial incentive to prevent wage premiums from rising by keeping their mines safe and preventing accidents that increase the perceived risks to health from working in a mine.

Kniesner and Leeth (2004) estimated that the costs of MSHA’s activities are more than double the benefits. Its budget is large—on a per establishment basis, it is 400 times larger than OSHA’s budget—and its deterrence is weak. MSHA could generate greater social returns by reallocating its funds to ensure that safety violations that contribute the most to injuries are corrected.

Clifford Winston, Government Failure versus Market Failure 37-39 (2006).
 
tell you what, show me the safety records of coal mines before government intervention..

i look forward to your examples

I didn't think you'd be able to answer my question, so naturally, you adopt the typical leftard tactic of dissembling.

Mining is a dangerous business and government intervention has done little to mitigate the danger. Things like OSHA and child labor laws have helped, but the technology developed by private companies pursuing profit have made mines far safer than anything government has done.

OSHA can mandate a hard hat, but it takes a private enterprise to develop the super tough plastics used in modern head protection.

Also, as much as I despise labor unions, their rise to prominence did more for mine safety than anything your precious government ever has, or ever will.
 
Just to add to my few counterexamples, here is some more government failure in action:

Thanks to the FDA, gout sufferers are now seeing a 10,000% increase in the price of an old treatment. In a push to expand its control over non-FDA approved drugs, the FDA recently gave the maker of an old gout drug (colchicines) exclusive rights to market it for three years. The period of exclusivity was in return for commissioning several studies showing this drug (that has been used for decades) was in fact, safe and effective. Because of this, the price has gone from pennies per pill "to more than $5 and some of the manufacturers have ceased production amid a battle over marketing rights." See WSJ - An Old Gout Drug Gets New Life and a New Price, Riling Patients
 
President Obama speaks on Mine Safety and West Virginia coal mine tragedy (video)

"Some of the failures cited included management, oversight, and slipping through loopholes in safety laws that created an unsafe working environment."

If it wasn't so predictable, it would be funny (you know expect that people died. but governmet regulation has no part in punishing them :crazy:.)

I for one, hope, that manager never sees the light of day again
Of course the private sector fails... but it also produces ALL of the wealth the country survives on. Gov't does not create wealth. It has very few enterprises that could be considered "wealth producing".

The gov't has gotten into the wealth distribution business though... taking from the productive and giving to the unproductive. You could argue that some of that is necessary in a civil society... but you'd be wrong. In the 140+ years between the founding and the 1920's Progressives gaining control of BOTH parties, private churches and charities did quite well in providing for the needy. De Toqueville marvelled at it in the 1830's. Families supported their own elderly or in their absence others did.

You can point to anecdotal slums and poverty prior to the rise of the Progressives ... but nothing that compares to hopelessness, poverty, and despair we see in urban gov't housing. In relative terms, real wealth was much more widely distributed BEFORE gov't got into the business of wealth distribution.
 

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