Projected finish for 2017 rankings

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secking said:
Mods, please feel free to delete the link if necessary, free read. :hi:

1. Alabama
2. OSU
3. Georgia
4. Michigan
5. LSU
6. FSU
7. Oklahoma
8. USC
9. T A&M
10. Clemson
11. Auburn
14. Florida
15. Tennessee
17. USCe
23. Miss St
24. Kentucky

List does include expected commits in this class. Obviously, they aren't including Cam in TN's class, I think around 10ish for TN's final ranking.

247Sports Crystal Ball predicts final 2017 team recruiting rankings
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or some other high star power added to this class TN will finish 15-18. If you look at final scores for Team Rankings the last few years on 247 and you factor in adding Corker (DB) and possibly Moore (OL) TN would finish about 17 for 2017.

It would be an enormous recruiting win to add Akers and Ray or even just one of them!

GO VOLS!!!
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
They have good in game coaching and talent development. We need players who are already developed and have the ability to overcome poor in game coaching.
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Beat me. I firmly believe the failure of this staff to develop the talent it has brought into the program (especially on both lines) is the biggest problem not the made up class rankings.
 
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therickbol said:
Hummmphhh, this is discussed every year at the end of recruiting season. Due to the lack of accuracy in the ranking of players, the difference between being #6 or #15 in team ranking is INCONSEQUENTIAL! If the team rankings finish in the order they predicted then....Bama, UGA, LSU would all probably have superior talent in the class. Then there would actually be a large group of SEC teams, UT included, whose classes would all be bringing in very similar levels of talent.
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I disagree that it is inconsequential. We have seen in our personal experience that we have been at our best when we have had highly ranked classes stacked one after the other. Highly ranked classes have higher numbers of the elite players. Alabama fields a team of these every year, and they beat our ass. Duke and Kentucky field do the same in basketball. There is a real difference between these classes and it shows on field unless you have a coach that can out-develop/ out-coach the teams that have greater talent. I have seen no evidence that Butch is capable of out developing or out coaching teams with superior talent.
 
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How do you figure UF finishes ahead of us??? They had better get a BUNCH of big timers to get in the top 15. Their recruiting isnt so hot.
 
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7th in the conference is what 8-4 looks like. Unless, he starts hitting 2nd/3rd in the conference, "middle-of-the-pack" is where UT will stay.
 
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fade route said:
7th in the league won't cut it for a coach that struggles to win when it counts even with a talented roster. Way too many 3*s and way too few 4-5*s
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It really is that simple. They need to close on several 4 stars to replace some 3 stars for UT to rise in the rankings. I just don't see many out there to be had.

Here's hoping there are a few diamonds in 3 stars we have committed.
 
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In the teens again.. You start falling behind when you do that consecutive years in this conference..
 
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JohnnyJava said:
I disagree that it is inconsequential. We have seen in our personal experience that we have been at our best when we have had highly ranked classes stacked one after the other. Highly ranked classes have higher numbers of the elite players. Alabama fields a team of these every year, and they beat our ass. Duke and Kentucky field do the same in basketball. There is a real difference between these classes and it shows on field unless you have a coach that can out-develop/ out-coach the teams that have greater talent. I have seen no evidence that Butch is capable of out developing or out coaching teams with superior talent.
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If you think they rank each player so accurately that small overall team ranking differences are directly related to where each team will finish in termsof wins and losses then more power to ya. Reranking recruits/classes 4-5 years down the road has not rewarded your faith in the people ranking the recruits. Reranking have proven that elite talent is usually easy to spot in HS, although there are still misses. Therefore, the top 5 classes or so are typically superior to everyone else. What is much more difficult to predict is what players emerge from the great, but not elite, grouping of recruits. That's much more of a crapshoot. Go back and look at rerankings, it is much more difficult to accurately predict classes ranked between about 6-15. Any class in that grouping has marginal superiority to the other classes in that group.

To say "dang TAMU is bringing in more talent than us because they have a team ranking of 8 compared to our 12" (for example) is laughable. It is giving WAY too much credit where credit is not due. Now if we finish between 10-15 and LSU finishes 3rd then you can legitimately say they are bringing in superior talent to us.
 
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therickbol said:
If you think they rank each player so accurately that small overall team ranking differences are directly related to where each team will finish in termsof wins and losses then more power to ya. Reranking recruits/classes 4-5 years down the road has not rewarded your faith in the people ranking the recruits. Reranking have proven that elite talent is usually easy to spot in HS, although there are still misses. Therefore, the top 5 classes or so are typically superior to everyone else. What is much more difficult to predict is what players emerge from the great, but not elite, grouping of recruits. That's much more of a crapshoot. Go back and look at rerankings, it is much more difficult to accurately predict classes ranked between about 6-15. Any class in that grouping has marginal superiority to the other classes in that group.

To say "dang TAMU is bringing in more talent than us because they have a team ranking of 8 compared to our 12" (for example) is laughable. It is giving WAY too much credit where credit is not due. Now if we finish between 10-15 and LSU finishes 3rd then you can legitimately say they are bringing in superior talent to us.
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We will be in the 10-15 range and that's not going to cut it. We are only ranked where we are right now bc of quantity
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
We will be in the 10-15 range and that's not going to cut it. We are only ranked where we are right now bc of quantity
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You are right but CBJ might be able to pull off a somewhat of a miracle for us on NSD to shoot us up into the top 10. Otherwise, we're probably top 15 & should finish ~14th or so.
 
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Tidal Surge said:
UGA doing VERY well recruiting.
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It's the second "special" class bump most coaches have. No one didn't think Smart wouldn't be able to close the borders in Ga, question is can he coach. Everyone will know in 365 days. Year two in coaching is the "magical season" for coaches, greatest improvement is yr 1 to yr 2. Saban, Meyer, Richt, etc all won at least 12 games with Meyer and Richt going 13-1.
 
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secking said:
It's the second "special" class bump most coaches have. No one didn't think Smart wouldn't be able to close the borders in Ga, question is can he coach. Everyone will know in 365 days. Year two in coaching is the "magical season" for coaches, greatest improvement is yr 1 to yr 2. Saban, Meyer, Richt, etc all won at least 12 games with Meyer and Richt going 13-1.
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I think Kirby may be a good HC at UGA, but I think the OC may be a problem for him & UGA.
 
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jeff1vol said:
How do you figure UF finishes ahead of us??? They had better get a BUNCH of big timers to get in the top 15. Their recruiting isnt so hot.
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You do realize that UF has only accepted 15 commits and their average rating is significantly higher than ours?
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
We will be in the 10-15 range and that's not going to cut it. We are only ranked where we are right now bc of quantity
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This is true. Our average rating may not even be top 20 when all is said and done. We are recruiting the sort of class I'd expect to see from Miss State.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
I think Kirby is another Derek Dooley.
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They are 180 as far as philosophies. Definitely isn't Dooley, he might be another Muschamp tho. Kirby is all about recruiting and Dooley was a lazy recruiter. DD just threw out TN's name and grabbed a bunch of 3 stars. You and I could honestly do that, plenty of 3 stars would love to don the power T. DD actually isn't/wasn't a bad coach of X's and O's just didn't want to put in the work for the Jimmy and Joes. You have to have the horses to run in the SEC.

Biggest difference in if Smart is like Dooley record wise, Smart will leave the cupboard fully stacked for the next guy. That is what is worrisome for some Vol fans, unless CBJ can turn recruiting around, the next coach will have to rebuild as well. There is zero doubt recruiting is trending the opposite of how he started. Need to stack great classes on top of each other, not rely on one/two classes.
 
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JPL said:
If you look at final scores for Team Rankings the last few years on 247 and you factor in adding Corker (DB) and possibly Moore (OL) TN would finish about 17 for 2017.

It would be an enormous recruiting win to add Akers and Ray or even just one of them!

GO VOLS!!!
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Not trolling ar all, just being realistic. Corker and Moore just committed elsewhere. I just don't see any signs that suggest there's much likelihood of the Vols landing Akers or Ray. This season's under achievement vs expectations has made recruiting much tougher for Butch than it would've otherwise been.
 
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Volunteer_Kirby said:
Go back and look at our '14 class. I wouldnt even call it top 25 class at this point.

16 4*s originally - 20 if you count the 4 stars across all the services.

Composite 4*s no longer with the program;

1. J. Hurd *quit the team
2. D. Hendrix *transfer
3. D. Scott *transfer
4. D. Helm *transfer
5. D. Blair *JUCO/quit the team
6. D. Payne *transfer
7. C. Weatherd *JUCO/graduate
8. V. Pearson *JUCO/graduate

Composite 4*s still with the program;

1. J. Malone - great career so far
2. TK Jr - been very solid for us
3. Dillon Bates - injuries and not as good as advertised
4. D. Barnett - one of the best DEs to ever play at TN. maybe the best.
5. Gavin Bryant - not as good as advertised
6. C. Moseley - out of shape, injured, ...
7. Evan Berry - GOAT kick returner...completely underutilized
8. Cortez McDowell - solid player


Plus I'm pretty sure Joe Henderson, Paulk, Michael Sawyers & Creamer were all rated 4 stars by one of the services. They are all gone as well...

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This kind of accentuates the point that retention is almost as important as ranking. It's always been more about filling position adequately with talent, good evaluation (usually more a reflection of committable offers from power programs than player rank), and development than just pure ranking service rating. Now I know that sounds like I'm siding with Jones in this but honestly it's the opposite; this staff has not developed talent particularly in the trenches well. As much as everyone is clamoring for this OC or this positional coach to be hired, strength and conditioning maybe the biggest hire Butch is going to make.
 
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