proof positive LG is right and the tea party is a fringe movement

[droski]

:lolabove:

Tea-Party Movement Gains Force - WSJ.com

In the survey, 71% of Republicans described themselves as tea-party supporters, saying they had a favorable image of the movement or hoped tea- party candidates would do well in the Nov. 2 elections.

The poll found that tea-party supporters make up one-third of the voters most likely to cast ballots in November's midterm elections. This showed the movement "isn't a small little segment, but it is a huge part of what's driving 2010," Mr. Hart said.

The survey also found growing energy among some core Democratic voting blocs, such as African-Americans and Hispanics—a tightening that is common as an election draws closer, according to pollsters.

Republicans retain major advantages, including a fired-up base. Two-thirds of GOP voters say they are intensely interested in the election, compared with about half of Democrats, suggesting that Republican voters are more likely to turn out at the polls.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Wow. More racists in this country than I thought.

 

[hndog609]

Wow. More racists in this country than I thought.

Precisely how the Left is most likely to view the results of the poll.

 

[gsvol]

Precisely how the Left is most likely to view the results of the poll.

A least that is what they will probably say.

A lot of traditionally conservative democrats are leaning toward the tea party also and the tea party isn't just an extention of the republican party, they are truly a grassroots movement that isn't just some bunch of wackos funded by the likes of Soros who call themselves grassroots.

The tea party hasn't been the least bit shy about opposing establishment republican candidates as well as democrats who adhere to the 'spend like there is no tommorrow' style of politics.

 

[RockyTopVol]

LG is his own fringe movement.

 

[JTrainDavis]

Wow. More racists in this country than I thought.

Even blacks and hispanics are beginning to embrace racism as a core belief.
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[CSpindizzy]

Precisely how the Left is most likely to view the results of the poll.

Yeah. I was just quoting LG...saving him some time from getting the Maddow talking points.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

This poll should scare everyone, Repubs and Dems alike.

Who here would seriously feel good about Sharron Angle and Michelle Bachmann being elected into high office?

 

[CSpindizzy]

At least that idiot Grayson appears to be on his way out.

 

[KB5252]

This poll should scare everyone, Repubs and Dems alike.

Who here would seriously feel good about Sharron Angle and Michelle Bachmann being elected into high office?

We've elected idiots for high office for years. You can take your picks from both sides of the isle. The difference right know is that some of the biggest idiots on the left hold much of the power. To be clear here I'm not speaking of Obama, I believe is he is a bright individual even though I'm opposed to most of his policies. Pelosi, Biden and to some degree Frank and Reid are horrible. Pelosi is without a doubt the worst speaker I can remember in my lifetime following politics.

 

[droski]

We've elected idiots for high office for years. You can take your picks from both sides of the isle. The difference right know is that some of the biggest idiots on the left hold much of the power. To be clear here I'm not speaking of Obama, I believe is he is a bright individual even though I'm opposed to most of his policies. Pelosi, Biden and to some degree Frank and Reid are horrible. Pelosi is without a doubt the worst speaker I can remember in my lifetime following politics.

exactly.

personally i'm happy to see that obama's politics have had the same effect on the country as bush's. i.e. he's pissed the hell out of everyone. hope and change my arse.

 

[lawgator1]

A couple of things (more than a couple, really):

1. The big news there is the fired up base. Just like the Dems in '08, the Republicans are now the motivated ones to show up and that's a sign that if a race is close in the polls, the Republican has the advantage in terms of who will actually show up.

2. I do not view this as some sort of group adoption by the GOP of the racially-motivated views of some members of the Tea Party. I think you have to go a lot deeper than this does in order to come to any such conclusion. My impression is that for the vast, vast majority of the GOP who would fall into this category its more about a loss of control and identity than it is outright racism. Its fear at the changing face of the country and who is in charge, suspicion of their motivation and the effect this is going to have on white suburbia down the line. I don't even know how you'd ask questions to get at that in a poll, anyway.

3. This is horrible news for the GOP establishment because it means they have to run further to the right or risk getting tossed out a la Delaware. It means they cannot ever compromise. It explains a lot. The mainstream politicians withoin the GOP are afraid of their own party. They have to choose between a big fake run to the right (as in McCain) or cutting lose and being independent (as in Crist).

 

[BigPapaVol]

ahh...the pink elephant is back and he only resides in houses on the right side of the street.

 

[droski]

I think you have to go a lot deeper than this does in order to come to any such conclusion. My impression is that for the vast, vast majority of the GOP who would fall into this category its more about a loss of control and identity than it is outright racism. Its fear at the changing face of the country and who is in charge, suspicion of their motivation and the effect this is going to have on white suburbia down the line. .

and why pray tell has this fear of the changing face of the country occured right around the time our fair president started trying to turn us into europe? are you really arguing that the country has changed dramatically from say 10 years ago?

 

[BigPapaVol]

and why pray tell has this fear of the changing face of the country occured right around the time our fair president started trying to turn us into europe? are you really arguing that the country has changed dramatically from say 10 years ago?

no, he's saying it's a racism issue but trying to say it in a very tangential way so as to mask it.

 

[gsvol]

This poll should scare everyone, Repubs and Dems alike.

Who here would seriously feel good about Sharron Angle and Michelle Bachmann being elected into high office?

I do!


More on the tea party.

PJTV's Tea Party Tracking Poll has monitored nationwide sentiments toward the tea party on a weekly basis since Aug. 2. The poll's most recent reports reveal the following results:

The number of people who identify as "members" of the tea party has more than tripled over the last month alone, up to 21 percent of likely voters;

Fifty-five percent of those surveyed said they support the tea parties based on the movement's positions on the issues;

Among the likely voters who are black, 32 percent said they would vote for a candidate backed by the tea parties.

 

[golfballs]

no, he's saying it's a racism issue but trying to say it in a very tangential way so as to mask it.

It's not disguised very well

 

[KB5252]

A couple of things (more than a couple, really):

1. The big news there is the fired up base. Just like the Dems in '08, the Republicans are now the motivated ones to show up and that's a sign that if a race is close in the polls, the Republican has the advantage in terms of who will actually show up.

2. I do not view this as some sort of group adoption by the GOP of the racially-motivated views of some members of the Tea Party. I think you have to go a lot deeper than this does in order to come to any such conclusion. My impression is that for the vast, vast majority of the GOP who would fall into this category its more about a loss of control and identity than it is outright racism. Its fear at the changing face of the country and who is in charge, suspicion of their motivation and the effect this is going to have on white suburbia down the line. I don't even know how you'd ask questions to get at that in a poll, anyway.

3. This is horrible news for the GOP establishment because it means they have to run further to the right or risk getting tossed out a la Delaware. It means they cannot ever compromise. It explains a lot. The mainstream politicians withoin the GOP are afraid of their own party. They have to choose between a big fake run to the right (as in McCain) or cutting lose and being independent (as in Crist).

You may be right that fear of America changing is a driver here. The problem is you're totally ignoring the fact that most independents and a significant portion of those on the left are a little disturbed as well. There is a rational fear that we are adopting too many European policies and approaches and getting away from the very ideals that made this country the most prosperous and powerful in the world.

The swing to the left was a direct result of Bush policy that was far from conservative mixed with unpopular war and compounded by a poor economy. A promise was issued to the country by Obama (real or perceived) and most Americans have not seen any real significant move toward that end and instead see politics as usual. This is where the resentment stems from, not because Obama is black but because he is the current CIC and is ultimately responsible for the direction the country is taking.

 

[lawgator1]

and why pray tell has this fear of the changing face of the country occured right around the time our fair president started trying to turn us into europe? are you really arguing that the country has changed dramatically from say 10 years ago?

no, he's saying it's a racism issue but trying to say it in a very tangential way so as to mask it.

There is a difference between saying you don't likeObama because he's black and saying that you are growing increasingly uncomfortable with the fact that the majority I used to be in will soon be the minority. I wonder if they identify with my values or whether they favor too much social spending at my expense to help out minorities, like themselves. Why is it that the city commission, or the police chief where I live, seem more in touch with the interests of the minority community and less so with protecting my neighborhood from gangs made up of minorities? What is this nonsense about us not being a Christian country anymore?

If you don't think that is going on out there, then you are just deluding yourself. It is the entire basis of candidates like Palin or O'Donnell.

 

[droski]

There is a difference between saying you don't likeObama because he's black and saying that you are growing increasingly uncomfortable with the fact that the majority I used to be in will soon be the minority. I wonder if they identify with my values or whether they favor too much social spending at my expense to help out minorities, like themselves. Why is it that the city commission, or the police chief where I live, seem more in touch with the interests of the minority community and less so with protecting my neighborhood from gangs made up of minorities? What is this nonsense about us not being a Christian country anymore?

If you don't think that is going on out there, then you are just deluding yourself. It is the entire basis of candidates like Palin or O'Donnell.

what you are speaking of is a mutli generational issue. even if it's true that white people are threatened by other races growing compared to their own that is a SLOW process. it simply doesn't jive with the rather significant changes we've seen polticially just in the past 2 YEARS.

 

[lawgator1]

what you are speaking of is a mutli generational issue. even if it's true that white people are threatened by other races growing compared to their own that is a SLOW process. it simply doesn't jive with the rather significant changes we've seen polticially just in the past 2 YEARS.

I agree that its been going on for awhile and will continue for decades. I just think it is especially acute because we have our first black president.

To some degree, I think the country is really struggling with shedding its classic identity. People aren't evil for worrying about it, its completely understandable that they would be fearful of the changes. As you know, there are some people who are profiting big time off of that. Its a shame, but not surprising.

 

[utvolpj]

I agree that its been going on for awhile and will continue for decades. I just think it is especially acute because we have our first black president.

or it could be that he's a clueless buffoon. Nah, you're probably right on the color thing

 

[droski]

I agree that its been going on for awhile and will continue for decades. I just think it is especially acute because we have our first black president.
To some degree, I think the country is really struggling with shedding its classic identity. People aren't evil for worrying about it, its completely understandable that they would be fearful of the changes. As you know, there are some people who are profiting big time off of that. Its a shame, but not surprising.

please drop this garbage you aren't calling the tea party supporters racist.

perhaps you don't remember the early 80s, but a similar reaction happened then and that guy was white.

 

[T-TownVol]

I agree that its been going on for awhile and will continue for decades. I just think it is especially acute because we have our first black president.

You can't be serious?

 

[CSpindizzy]

“You have to take any movement that expresses the will of the public seriously. You can't point to any direction and say ‘this is nonsense’ because the people who are involved in any movement, are doing it because they believe,” he explained. “Who am I to say that what they're doing is right or wrong? At the end of the day, no matter what anyone believes in, no matter what side of the aisle you’re on, you have the opportunity to vote, and express your feelings.”
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