Prop 19 revisited

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DinkinFlicka

DinkinFlicka

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On a more serious note than the last thread, what reasons do the posters here have to vote for or against prop 19? Hypothetically, let's say a similar proposition arose here (or in whichever state you live in)... how would you vote and why?

I'm only allowing 5 puns, so make 'em count.
 
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I voted for it, but i talked to a couple of business owners whose employees get regurally tested because they operate heavy machinery that were very concerned that they could be sued if they drug tested and fired someone if pot was legal.
 
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droski said:
I voted for it, but i talked to a couple of business owners whose employees get regurally tested because they operate heavy machinery that were very concerned that they could be sued if they drug tested and fired someone if pot was legal.
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Would there be a point to testing if it were legal?

Sorry about this weekend, sir. Ya'll came oh so close.
 
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I think that it should be 100% legal to grow, sell, possess and use marijuana anywhere in the United States by any consenting adult.

In fact, I think that we should bring back the old cigarette vending machines and retrofit them to sell single blunts / joints.

Why not, considering that it's no more dangerous or addicitve than alcohol - and some could easily argue that it poses an even lesser threat.

Finally, California is leading the way on something sensible. I say legalize it, and distribute it as far and wide as the bounds of human ingenuity and modern logistics can conceive.
 
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feds claim they will go hard after it. if it was legal everywhere that would be different. and i can't blame people for not wanting stoned guys operating heavy machinery. edit: of course you can fire someone for showing up to work drunk, but stoned is harder to prove.
 
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Tenacious D said:
I think that it should be 100% legal to grow, sell, possess and use marijuana anywhere in the United States by any consenting adult.

In fact, I think that we should bring back the old cigarette vending machines and retrofit them to sell single blunts / joints.

Why not, considering that it's no more dangerous or addicitve than alcohol - and some could easily argue that it poses an even lesser threat.

Finally, California is leading the way on something sensible. I say legalize it, and distribute it as far and wide as the bounds of human ingenuity and modern logistics can conceive.
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I think there needs to be a smooth transition to legalization. If every state in the union legalized to the point of making it as readily available as cigarettes, imagine how pissed off certain international businesses would get. There would be backlash from the cartel, whichever form it may come in.

I think we should decriminalize it nationwide, just for now.
 
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droski said:
feds claim they will go hard after it. if it was legal everywhere that would be different. and i can't blame people for not wanting stoned guys operating heavy machinery. edit: of course you can fire someone for showing up to work drunk, but stoned is harder to prove.
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That is a pretty gray area. Then again, you could administer a mouth swab test. Those only pick up use within the day, don't they?
 
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They would have to classify it according to the effects it causes. There are many prescription drugs that you should not operate machinery while taking. If it is proven that an operator was under the influence of these drugs and an accident were to occur then the company is liable, I can't imagine it would be much different for marijuana. If it is legalized it is a problem for employers that has to be addressed.
 
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droski said:
feds claim they will go hard after it. if it was legal everywhere that would be different. and i can't blame people for not wanting stoned guys operating heavy machinery. edit: of course you can fire someone for showing up to work drunk, but stoned is harder to prove.
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Nearly impossible to prove someone is stoned, at least with any degree of consistent accuracy.

What if the person operating the heavy machinery has cararacts? Wouldn't their improved vision outweigh the rather insignificant loss of motor skills during the time that they were stoned?

You'd have a happier workforce, for sure, and that has to count for something, too.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
That is a pretty gray area. Then again, you could administer a mouth swab test. Those only pick up use within the day, don't they?
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i'm not sure. i've always been under the impression that those tests weren't accurate which is why it's hard for cops to give up a dui if you don't have pot on you/
 
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Tenacious D said:
Nearly impossible to prove someone is stoned, at least with any degree of consistent accuracy.

What if the person operating the heavy machinery has cararacts? Wouldn't their improved vision outweigh the rather insignificant loss of motor skills during the time that they were stoned?

You'd have a happier workforce, for sure, and that has to count for something, too.
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ha. you make a valid point. to me this complaints are just things that employers will eventually figure out. though there is a cost involved obviously.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I think there needs to be a smooth transition to legalization. If every state in the union legalized to the point of making it as readily available as cigarettes, imagine how pissed off certain international businesses would get. There would be backlash from the cartel, whichever form it may come in.

I think we should decriminalize it nationwide, just for now.
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A smooth transition?! I thought that you were an advocate of its legalization.

Look, the American public has been too long in suffering from the criminalization of marijuana, and its many, many, many therapeutic effects.

No, we don't need a smooth transition - we need an immediate one - and there is no time to wait on all of the other backwards states to get on board. We need to the Feds to mandate its legalization, and to initiate a broad-ranging public education initiative as to its nearly-miraculous benefits.

Someone needs to get the 9th Circuit involved - a group not only known to be representative of the entirety of the country, but one which has the depth and breadth of vision to know what's best for all.

And, isn't their some precedence for this to occur? Haven't the voters of California rejected other proposals to legalize something, only to see the 9th Circuit overturn their votes and legalize it, anyway?

So, there's hope!
 
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droski said:
i'm not sure. i've always been under the impression that those tests weren't accurate which is why it's hard for cops to give up a dui if you don't have pot on you/
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Yeah, I've heard of those tests, too.

Completely unreliable, with absolutely no scientifically valid merit, whatsoever.

If the guvment wants to regulate something, you'd think they'd start with those tests! :eek:lol::yes::thumbsup::salute:
 
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In my eyes it's absolutely crazy that pot is still illegal.

Problem is this would cease a whoooole lot of funding if it ever were. So I think the politicos like the stigma it still carries with a lot of folks.
 
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California pot activists began collecting signatures Friday to place marijuana back on the ballot next election.

Millions of marijuana backers showed up at the polls Wednesday to vote for pot legalization.

Unfortunately the election was Tuesday.
 
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OrangeYankee said:
In my eyes it's absolutely crazy that pot is still illegal.

Problem is this would cease a whoooole lot of funding if it ever were. So I think the politicos like the stigma it still carries with a lot of folks.
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I couldn't agree more.

If you think about the funding it would create, it just makes sense to legalize it. That would be a lot of money - and would cause absolutely zero ill-effects. Not even lottery tickets can say that!

Well, it's the stigma that comes with it, and a bunch of Puritan-esque type people who want to impose their views on others.
 
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I think the argument that use wouldn't go up and underage use wouldn't go up is a little silly though. more supply certainly will result in more demand. also many people think the price will drop considerably which might also result in more usage.
 
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Tenacious D said:
A smooth transition?! I thought that you were an advocate of its legalization.

Look, the American public has been too long in suffering from the criminalization of marijuana, and its many, many, many therapeutic effects.

No, we don't need a smooth transition - we need an immediate one - and there is no time to wait on all of the other backwards states to get on board. We need to the Feds to mandate its legalization, and to initiate a broad-ranging public education initiative as to its nearly-miraculous benefits.

Someone needs to get the 9th Circuit involved - a group not only known to be representative of the entirety of the country, but one which has the depth and breadth of vision to know what's best for all.

And, isn't their some precedence for this to occur? Haven't the voters of California rejected other proposals to legalize something, only to see the 9th Circuit overturn their votes and legalize it, anyway?

So, there's hope!
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Oh believe me, I'm a big time advocate for legalization.

However, if we immediately legalized it, there would be a couple of issues.

-as I stated before, this would seriously piss off the cartel, and there would be some sort of consequence. Sure, we'd be able to handle it, and it would be a small price to pay for something that could have been prevented 80 years ago.

-what of all the court cases surrounding it? city courts would be turned upside down, court costs would be canceled, budgets would be muddled... it would be pretty chaotic to flip the off switch overnight.

-we wouldn't have a lot of time to instantly acclimate ourselves to a pro-pot country. Remember, over half the country detests the thought of this. It would just be another divisive entity for the people to deal with amongst themselves.

-reparations for recent marijuana offenders who were financially penetrated by the man? How would that work?

That's why I think we should decriminalize it tomorrow... legalize it in maybe... 5 years?

'til then, gents. Blaze with discretion.

Where are the nay sayers? This is boring :p
 
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gsvol said:
California pot activists began collecting signatures Friday to place marijuana back on the ballot next election.

Millions of marijuana backers showed up at the polls Wednesday to vote for pot legalization.

Unfortunately the election was Tuesday.[/QUOTE]

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i think you guys should let every drug available legal. maybe the libs could kill themselves off. think if the money saved in healthcare, you guys could pay more to illegal alliens. what a pathetic state.
 
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Tenacious D said:
I couldn't agree more.

If you think about the funding it would create, it just makes sense to legalize it. That would be a lot of money - and would cause absolutely zero ill-effects. Not even lottery tickets can say that!

Well, it's the stigma that comes with it, and a bunch of Puritan-esque type people who want to impose their views on others.
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that's a stupid statement. they have their beliefs, just like you do. they think it should be illegal, you think it should. their no more pushing their puritan-esque views on you than you're pushing your crap on them.
 
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