Protesters are now going to residential areas. Just a matter of time

[Bigun]

There is a gigantic gap between “100% okay” and “worthy of running outside waving a gun and playing police over stupid sh*t”

Wow, a non-resident walking down a residential street, let’s point a gun at them. Great perspective dude.

Not residents......known violent mob that a few weeks ago murdered 77 year old man protecting his business.

 

[NCFisher]

Yes but the whole reason for leaving was that the south wanted slaves. That’s not up for debate. Read the actual words of those wanting to secede. The states right to have slaves.

Well no, it was not the whole reason, nor is it an invalid reason under the Constitution pact as established, and it was hardly the only grievance with the Northern states and Federal government. Anyone who's going to speak on this authoritatively should at least read the secession articles: The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States Aside from the initial seven states, six more followed the Fort Sumter stand-off and Lincoln openly initiating war to force secession states, understanding that states did not relinquish state sovereignty and rights of free people upon becoming members of the federation. Ordinances of Secession

The election of Lincoln signaled two primary concerns to the South; a president of a party with an anti-slavery plank who voiced the unsustainable condition of a half-free, half-slave society, and who was beholden to Northern interests at the continued cost and grievance to the South. The exclusion from new territories was central among Southern concerns, as was longstanding inequality regarding taxation and disbursement of it, Northern protectionism, and their economic future should abolitionist factions continue inroads into abolishing it.

As devil's advocate, even if the *only* reason the South seceded was slavery, it would still not be the reason Lincoln invaded the South. To the contrary, he spoke of the fact there was no constitutional precedent for doing so (abolition), that blacks were an inferior race and should be recolonized outside the country, and that the preservation of the Union was the only goal. Northern men didn't volunteer to fight for abolition.

It's impossible to have a historically factual conversation which omits this fundamental basis.

 

[golfballs]

Supposedly he’s a personal injury lawyer

 

[NashVol11]

Outnumbered a hundred to one and a group that had openly advocated and threatened they would go into and after suburban neighborhoods for retribution for nothing these people had anything to do with. Threat made. Surely you can understand why people would be on edge and respond accordingly. It’s NOT because A non resident was just walking down the street. Don’t be so obtuse.

Don’t talk to me about being obtuse when you have legitimately no idea what a threat is. “Retribution” sounds made up, there’s nothing menacing about marching in suburbs versus cities, and it’s also ridiculously absurd to take one random statement from whatever BLM person several states away and try to use it as justification to point a gun at any protestor you see. Being outnumbered doesn’t matter when they’re doing literally nothing to you.

This is, again, the whiniest and weakest attempt at victimhood on here in quite some time. Overzealous neighborhood watchman doesn’t like the protests and decides to run around waving guns over street signs, and now he’s a poor poor victim

 

[NashVol11]

Regardless of your cause if you go onto private property you are breaking the law . If the property owner feels like his life is in danger he will shoot you . Come on man you know this .

“Regardless” isn’t true, like I said. Laws have exceptions.

 

[Vol737]

Don’t talk to me about being obtuse when you have legitimately no idea what a threat is. “Retribution” sounds made up, there’s nothing menacing about marching in suburbs versus cities, and it’s also ridiculously absurd to take one random statement from whatever BLM person several states away and try to use it as justification to point a gun at any protestor you see.

This is, again, the whiniest and weakest attempt at victimhood on here in quite some time. Overzealous neighborhood watchman doesn’t like the protests and decides to run around waving guns over street signs, and now he’s a poor poor victim

Lol. Okay. Good luck and good night.

 

[volfanhill]

Well no, it was not the whole reason, nor is it an invalid reason under the Constitution pact as established, and it was hardly the only grievance with the Northern states and Federal government. Anyone who's going to speak on this authoritatively should at least read the secession articles: The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States Aside from the initial seven states, six more followed the Fort Sumter stand-off and Lincoln openly initiating war to force secession states, understanding that states did not relinquish state sovereignty and rights of free people upon becoming members of the federation. Ordinances of Secession

The election of Lincoln signaled two primary concerns to the South; a president of a party with an anti-slavery plank who voiced the unsustainable condition of a half-free, half-slave society, and who was beholden to Northern interests at the continued cost and grievance to the South. The exclusion from new territories was central among Southern concerns, as was longstanding inequality regarding taxation and disbursement of it, Northern protectionism, and their economic future should abolitionist factions continue inroads into abolishing it.

As devil's advocate, even if the *only* reason the South seceded was slavery, it would still not be the reason Lincoln invaded the South. To the contrary, he spoke of the fact there was no constitutional precedent for doing so (abolition), that blacks were an inferior race and should be recolonized outside the country, and that the preservation of the Union was the only goal. Northern men didn't volunteer to fight for abolition.

It's impossible to have a historically factual conversation which omits this fundamental basis.

It’s impossible to deny the very quotes of confederate leadership. I do believe the state had a right to leave. But they lost a war. So it’s over for them. Much like we took the land from others. The Union took it back

 

[golfballs]

LG’s people
McCloskey Law Center

 

[NashVol11]

Lol. Okay. Good luck and good night.

I’m surprised you can sleep with all the people who might be walking down your street outside. Some groups might even outnumber you and we all know that means you’re in grave danger

 

[0nelilreb]

“Regardless” isn’t true, like I said. Laws have exceptions.

Name one that allows you to come on my property when I tell you to get off of it . The cops can’t unless they are conducting an active investigation but you can as a private citizen ? Nah .

 

[NCFisher]

Well until we actually talk to each other and LISTEN then nothing will change. What makes that tough is that you have people on both sides that don’t seem to truly want things fixed. You also have some people that aren’t open to truly listening because they don’t think there are any problems and then some see everything as a problem, even things that really aren’t. These are the people being propped up by the media and politicians so they can use it as an election platform. That’s what’s disgusting. The police are a great example. Most cops are good people trying to do the right thing. Some aren’t and the system is designed to protect those cops. Changes are needed but not abolishing police, taking tons of resources away, or removing all legal protections for them. They’re being asked to make life or death decisions in a split second. There needs to be some recognition of the difficulty of doing so while also holding them accountable on some level. I know they’re supposed to be highly trained but you just don’t know how people respond until they actually have to face a given situation. Look at how many people crash their vehicles to avoid hitting a small animal. I’m sure everyone at some point is told don’t swerve, that could lead to a wreck. But the reality is people swerve all the time, some into trees or head on collisions with other vehicles to avoid hitting a small animal. That’s an example most can relate to that pales in comparison to the pressure on an officer in a life threatening situation. Anyway, police reform is supposed to be a major issue that needs immediate attention but so far nothing has gotten done towards any real, sustainable change. Abolishing the police and/or making an autonomous zone are not long term solutions nor are they steps towards long term solutions. So why is this nonsense happening? It can’t be to get attention because the whole country is all over this. My company, as many likely are, is doing all kinds of things towards race relations. But what’s the end game here? Is it just police reform? If not, what else needs to change? Until we get some meaningful discussions and start taking reasonable actions this won’t end. The politicians at local, state, and Federal levels are who we seem to be looking to for solutions but they won’t solve jack sh*t unless it can be used for election purposes so to me I don’t see a good end to all this. My prediction is more pandering, a declared victory because of some lip service whether it comes from Trump, Biden, or other politicians, and then we’re back to business as usual. Sorry for the long rant. I just don’t think people are really thinking through any of this any further than how they stand to benefit from it so that gives me little faith in any meaningful change. Maybe we do get some police reform, which isn’t a bad thing, but I don’t see that as a black/white issue. I agree with Ras. That’s a good cop/bad cop issue as opposed to race.

Democrats' life-blood is the black vote. Until black people escape the plantation, nothing will change. And why would they when the "chicken in every pot" message has been enough to keep black America on artificial life support since they began to vote in numbers for Democrats in the 1930s?

The fact is that black America needs to change. Aside from grossly disproportionate violent criminal rates, until they stop being suckered into the victimhood message, there will be no resolution.

 

[NashVol11]

Name one that allows you to come on my property when I tell you to get off of it . The cops can’t unless they are conducting an active investigation but you can as a private citizen ? Nah .

Someone is chasing me with a gun and I run across your backyard. There are better ones but I don’t feel like thinking back through bar prep

 

[BreatheUT]

You were saying...???

WATCH: Armed St. Louis Residents Stand Guard Over Property As Demonstrators Enter Residential Neighborhood

I was done posting tonight but fellas this ain't protesting. These are threats and entering private property. I will lose my job before I let the mob treat people this way and stay quiet. The day of reckoning is coming for this folks as they continue to push peoples buttons. These are intimidation tactics.

 

[0nelilreb]

Someone is chasing me with a gun and I run across your backyard. There are better ones but I don’t feel like thinking back through bar prep

It has nothing to do with me , get off my property . You would being trying to sue me for dog bites .

 

[BreatheUT]

What in the world is your problem? You’re clearly okay with these groups going into neighborhoods and antagonizing, threatening people and their property that have NOTHING to do with police brutality and other recent events. You can say peacefully all you want and it doesn’t take away from the fact that these groups are clearly trying to intimidate the residence of these neighborhoods. Why do you think this is okay? Do you want a jacked up crowd of people outside your home that pose a threat to you and your family? What would you do? Grow up, man.

All I can tell you is you can tell by the posting style who you would show remorse to and who you wouldn't if faced with this behavior. The delusion tell you all you need to know.

 

[NCFisher]

It’s impossible to deny the very quotes of confederate leadership. I do believe the state had a right to leave. But they lost a war. So it’s over for them. Much like we took the land from others. The Union took it back

Their quotes are summarized in the declarations of secession and ordinances; those are the statements of the secession states. There are decades of historical grievance and threats to secede *before* the time of Lincoln and the 1854 founding of the Republican party.

 

[BreatheUT]

It has a gate with a sign saying it’s private not a public street . I guess that means it’s not for public use ?

I would've loved for two pit bulldogs or doberman's to have been loose.

 

[NashVol11]

All I can tell you is you can tell by the posting style who you would show remorse to and who you wouldn't if faced with this behavior. The delusion tell you all you need to know.

Much like the delusion that heard "we are marching in both cities and suburbs" and turned it into "they're coming to blow up your neighborhoods!!!! Shoot them!!!"

 

[NCFisher]

Young fella, they don't teach y'all history anymore. They teach you indoctrination. History in a class setting should be meant to teach more than having a teacher/professor form opinions about it to create resentment. Because history you respect. History you learn from. History shows an evolution of a nation. History bothers you. History you preserve and let it be a lesson. Teaching history does all those things in a civilized society.

History doesn't teach hate. You apparently don't understand what we are seeing with anarchy is hate. Switching one hate for another. The twisting of logic. Indoctrination and conditioning teaches hate.

History should help to shape and mold the present and future. Compare and contrast, and appreciate. Your right to be offended stops at someone else's right to offend. Intelligent debate takes place in a "civilized" society where there is a proper way to handle disagreements. It is unlawful to settle disputes in the streets like in the days of showdowns. That is the point of the Constitution. Govern by a set of rules to prevent unruliness.

Exactly. I find music and literature hiccuping about ho's and bitches, and capping cops offensive but I'd never dream of erasing it, a concept foreign to the speech and expression eradicating fascists.

Government is the mechanism we decided was the preferable alternative to killing each other over disputes.

 

[NCFisher]

I will add that history is never erased but it can we refused to be acknowledged and replaced with a new history of lies the buries the real history in hopes that it's never learned from. Those types of gaps in history is dangerous to mankind and leads to a world when no one truly understands what happened during a time period (not that I'm expecting earth to be here another 2000 years). Wow that is disturbing to think about.

Aside from the valid points you two make, the South is populated by American citizens who've as much right to honor their own war dead as any other.

I don't think a constitution in which individual rights are recognized as protective of everyone's rights, permits a minority mob - or a majority mob - to destroy or ban that which it finds offensive. For posterity, though, I'll remind that even after Charlottesville a majority of blacks who had an opinion are against removing Confederate memorials and recognize them as the history it was; in effect, a second birth of a nation.

It sure as hell isn't up to anti-American Marxists to decide the matter.

 

[Bigun]

Much like the delusion that heard "we are marching in both cities and suburbs" and turned it into "they're coming to blow up your neighborhoods!!!! Shoot them!!!"

Well......Here's video with the sound on....just feel the peacefulness from these christ-like children of the left.

 

[Bigun]

 

[Vol737]

Well......Here's video with the sound on....just feel the peacefulness from these christ-like children of the left.

Don’t bother. Anything these groups want to do is completely justified as far as he’s concerned. No one should have a concern at all even if their families are eventually attacked and their personal property destroyed. Vile behavior and verbal threats are peaceful. It’s all just one big misunderstanding.

 

[BreatheUT]

Well......Here's video with the sound on....just feel the peacefulness from these christ-like children of the left.

I'd like to know the ending of this like did the police come and actually do their jobs or have they sent the bat signal that it is time for citizen justice.

 

[NashVol11]

Don’t bother. Anything these groups want to do is completely justified as far as he’s concerned. No one should have a concern at all even if their families are eventually attacked and their personal property destroyed. Vile behavior and verbal threats are peaceful. It’s all just one big misunderstanding.

Is there any indication whatsoever that any of that was on the verge of happening? Did they blow up any other houses on their way to the mayor's? Or were they just walking down a street and people are losing their minds over it?

Edit: a PRIVATE street, can't forget that