Pruitt's Recruiting (and lack of) in Tennessee

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Nationdom said:
My point is it doesn't matter if the home team has sucked for a decade. Tennessee will always return to the top. Immortality is ours
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That is all well and good, but try selling that to a 17 year old who has seen a crappy UT product on the field since he was old enough to pay attention.
 
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Was it necessary to insert "and lack of" in the title? I will tell all you that just love to see the glass half empty. If you are expecting an immediate turn around because of Pruitt, you need to take a long vacation from UT. The previous administration has destroyed UT's reputation and it will take more than just hiring a competent coach. He is going to have to coach some very big upsets with less than average SEC players. If you want to act like the last 10 years never happen, go for it. However, ignoring the facts do not change the facts. UT's coaching and AD carousel has damaged our sport's program, not just football.

If you want to start off by posting these or reposting negative articles for the world to see, it's only going to slow the rebuilding and prove everyone right about the toxic environment within the fan base.

Go Vols!
 
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I've never totally understood the point behind taking an in state kid just because he lives here. Now with the 85 scholarship limit you have to take the best players of position need wherever you can get them from. I would like to get them all from the state of Tennessee if they are Vol fans and want to be here however whenever I was growing up and we would pick teams for games, I always selected the best player and not the kid who lived next door just because he lived closer to me.

JMHO

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Wait, I thought the fans wanted players who grew up bleeding ORANGE and wanted to be here; No that was when we had a previous new coach and that is what he was saying. Now we have a coach who says he wants only the best so everyone follows along like a little pup.
I think Pruitt is a very good coach. His staff seems to be good coaches. But do not forget that most came from Al, Ga, FSU, USCw, etc. Recruiting has been easy for them. As someone earlier mentioned, going after 5* players who are the top rated in the country is great, but the odds of signing those type players from CA, AZ, or even AL is a stretch. Do not forget our home grown instate kids. They seem to be good enough for Clemson, Notre Dame, and Oh St.
Time will tell. I want Pruitt to succeed. But being an excellent coach at Al, Ga, and FSU is no guarantee.
 
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VolDC said:
I haven't been on board with Pruitt to this point. Part of that is being snake bit by jumping straight on the bandwagon with the last 3 coaches. Then there is the part of me that can't fathom why Fulmer would even consider a Alabubba Coach. That's gotta be like kissing your sister with a dip in. Putting a lot of effort into the two 5 star corners that went to USC kinda didn't work out either. I know why he did it. It made perfect sense, until it didn't work out. I have been a little underwhelmed with recruiting in general, although they did close out the dline well last year. The Mays fiasco was not a high point either.

But sitting back watching the tea leaves, Morris is big time if he commits. Lampley is one of the best players in the state at a position of need. I think a Morris commit leads to a Wright commit. Then we are getting close to just needing to build depth on the offensive line. It looks like we are after the right size dlineman. Crouch is seriously looking at us now. Wilhoite is a real option now, along with Curry, and a possible commitment with Keyton. I am impressed that they are cherry picking the state with evaluations that match their scheme. All these guys have done an about face in the last few weeks after getting to know coaches, seeing how practices are run, and the Orange and White game. Three worrisome areas that I haven't seen a bunch on, would be a stud back if Crouch plays lb, secondary, and linebacker.

We still have enough talent to win against lower tier SEC teams. If the stars align and we somehow go into the Georgia game 4-0 with a solid showing in the following 3 games, ie not being blown out by anybody, I think recruiting will blow up with top tier names. If the season plays out like that, kids will see talent being coached up, and a quick turn around at UT by a competent staff. Then I think you could see kids like Clay Webb, Pappoe, and Bogle heat up late in the fall. The groundwork has been put in well for this staff, and they're definitely downplaying this season. Heaven help us if Harrison Bailey decided on us this summer. That would be a game changer as well. It all looks possible at this point.

Sorry for the long post. I could be 100% full of ****. I just had to get the negavol off my chest. I just hope Pruitt doesn't stir up the Legion of the Miserable with another call out like he did at the Orange and White game. I would love to see a coaching staff be supported by that side of the fan base again.
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Just let go of the Alabama issue!!!! It makes you seem petty and unable to adapt to anything other than what you prefer. I am old school and hate Bama far worse than I could ever hate UF, but to not hire a good coach based on the fact that he coached at Alabama is the most ludicrous argument I have ever heard. What if Bama never hired Saban because he coached at LSU? What if we never hired Doug Dickey because he played at UF, or the AD that hired him was a coach at UF......where does it stop? The people who can not believe Fulmer would hire a Bama coach are usually the ones who are in desperate need of drama in their lives and have to create it when none exists.

this coaching staff has an idea of the type of players they want, and as recruiting goes on we will also get to see that idea as we see the players they offer. To this point I can say, based on the offers given out, they do not offer shorter DB's or WR's. They want big physical WR's and taller DB's. So a 5'9" WR is probably not gonna get an offer or be a top priority for this staff, no matter how highly he is rated or where he comes from.
 
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VolDC said:
How old are you? You're not going to understand that if you're under the age of 30. We were actually raised to hate everything Alabubba. You couldn't even whisper that word in my house growing up. Then the divisions and Steve Spurrier came along and put Floriduh right there with them. I don't give 2 craps if you don't understand it. My skirt doesn't blow up in my Millenial Face all the time.
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This is mosquito **** thinking. So you are saying that you wouldnt have wanted Saban to come here in 2009?
 
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a vol n tears said:
Wait, I thought the fans wanted players who grew up bleeding ORANGE and wanted to be here; No that was when we had a previous new coach and that is what he was saying. Now we have a coach who says he wants only the best so everyone follows along like a little pup.
I think Pruitt is a very good coach. His staff seems to be good coaches. But do not forget that most came from Al, Ga, FSU, USCw, etc. Recruiting has been easy for them. As someone earlier mentioned, going after 5* players who are the top rated in the country is great, but the odds of signing those type players from CA, AZ, or even AL is a stretch. Do not forget our home grown instate kids. They seem to be good enough for Clemson, Notre Dame, and Oh St.
Time will tell. I want Pruitt to succeed. But being an excellent coach at Al, Ga, and FSU is no guarantee.
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Tennessee isn't a hard sell.....facilities and playing time.
 
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FlyFishnVol said:
Was it necessary to insert "and lack of" in the title? I will tell all you that just love to see the glass half empty. If you are expecting an immediate turn around because of Pruitt, you need to take a long vacation from UT. The previous administration has destroyed UT's reputation and it will take more than just hiring a competent coach. He is going to have to coach some very big upsets with less than average SEC players. If you want to act like the last 10 years never happen, go for it. However, ignoring the facts do not change the facts. UT's coaching and AD carousel has damaged our sport's program, not just football.

If you want to start off by posting these or reposting negative articles for the world to see, it's only going to slow the rebuilding and prove everyone right about the toxic environment within the fan base.

Go Vols!
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I never understood the hatred of Pruitt just because he came from Alabama and never will. Just as I say he needs to get the best players he can regardless of where they are from. These people on here who make asinine comments about him will never admit they were wrong when that time comes....everything comes back around. Bama has not been like this forever, UF use to compete for the title each year and now they are down. Patience and support and our time will come.

We got hammered in '97, won in '98, and could have won again in 2001. That would have been a very special 5 years but we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory too many times. I will give the cornhuskers credit, they just beat our ***.
 
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We have about 200 offers out there right now for 3.5 - 5* recruits. If get 10-12% to accept, we will be loaded up pretty good.

Once CJP shows success in the W-L columns, it will be much easier to recruit in succeeding years.
 
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VolDC said:
I haven't been on board with Pruitt to this point. Part of that is being snake bit by jumping straight on the bandwagon with the last 3 coaches.

We still have enough talent to win against lower tier SEC teams. If the stars align and we somehow go into the Georgia game 4-0 with a solid showing in the following 3 games, ie not being blown out by anybody, I think recruiting will blow up with top tier names.
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Good post, I hope a 4-0 start happens... optimistic, but would turn around recruiting.

If Jeremy doesn't win, he will not be here long, because criticizing Vol fans doesn't play out well when it comes from a Bama guy. So he's basically drawn the line in the sand.
 
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Volle said:
Good post, I hope a 4-0 start happens... optimistic, but would turn around recruiting.

If Jeremy doesn't win, he will not be here long, because criticizing Vol fans doesn't play out well when it comes from a Bama guy. So he's basically drawn the line in the sand.
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He did not criticize Vol fans—he simply called them out. I am a huge Vol fan and I did not feel offended at all. It's all media crap because they have nothing else to chirp about. More fans should have showed up for the Spring game for the team and that is it. Nuf said.

I'm giving Pruitt 3 years to get the Big Orange back in contention for an SEC title. No more 5-year plans like we wasted on Butch Jones. I want at least 9 wins in his second season.

I am behind Pruitt 100%. Let's get it done. :clapping:
 
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piratelifeforme said:
I never understood the hatred of Pruitt just because he came from Alabama and never will. Just as I say he needs to get the best players he can regardless of where they are from. These people on here who make asinine comments about him will never admit they were wrong when that time comes....everything comes back around. Bama has not been like this forever, UF use to compete for the title each year and now they are down. Patience and support and our time will come.

We got hammered in '97, won in '98, and could have won again in 2001. That would have been a very special 5 years but we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory too many times. I will give the cornhuskers credit, they just beat our ***.
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Agree, I'm not saying Pruitt is UT's savior, let's give him whatever support he needs, but there is a lot of UT Fans butthurt over his comments.............which by the way is very true, and the truth does hurt. No one is not saying the past 10 years haven't been a freaking nightmare.......but CJP is hired, he has a great reputation, he hired the right S&C coach, let sit back watch the players develop and make informed comments after we've seen some games.....he deserves that much.

GBO!!
 
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It seems pretty obvious there are only 4-5 in-state guys the staff is zeroing in on that are uncommitted in this '19 class. Washington, Patterson, Mitchell and Wilhoite and maybe a Knox/Gray. I guess another guy or two could pop up down the road, but that's about it. It does seem like several of the guys in this class were over-ranked in their early years just by looking at the lack of big-time programs pursuing many of them.

I'm personally very pleased that this staff is being far more aggressive elsewhere, especially in North Carolina and Georgia.
 
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a vol n tears said:
Wait, I thought the fans wanted players who grew up bleeding ORANGE and wanted to be here; No that was when we had a previous new coach and that is what he was saying. Now we have a coach who says he wants only the best so everyone follows along like a little pup.
I think Pruitt is a very good coach. His staff seems to be good coaches. But do not forget that most came from Al, Ga, FSU, USCw, etc. Recruiting has been easy for them. As someone earlier mentioned, going after 5* players who are the top rated in the country is great, but the odds of signing those type players from CA, AZ, or even AL is a stretch. Do not forget our home grown instate kids. They seem to be good enough for Clemson, Notre Dame, and Oh St.
Time will tell. I want Pruitt to succeed. But being an excellent coach at Al, Ga, and FSU is no guarantee.
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It is for sure better than hiring so so coaches from anywhere. From what I have seen from the Spring game, the player look much more aggressive and in better physical condition they players I have seen here in the last 10-12 years. In addition, what I have seen on the 2019 -2020 -layers showing interest in Tennessee, I believe we will be getting players starting this December. Pruitt's attitude and approach to football is much better than I have seen here in 15 years and I have been watching Tennessee football since 1946. While I can not guarantee his success as our football coach, You can not guarantee he will be a failure, I think the odds of him succeeding are much greater than him failing.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
I've never totally understood the point behind taking an in state kid just because he lives here. Now with the 85 scholarship limit you have to take the best players of position need wherever you can get them from. I would like to get them all from the state of Tennessee if they are Vol fans and want to be here however whenever I was growing up and we would pick teams for games, I always selected the best player and not the kid who lived next door just because he lived closer to me.
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If you go back to the 60s/70s/80s the numbers of UT/SEC quality athletes in state was minimal. If you missed on them, you also missed the low hanging fruit. This was also the Alabama/Auburn philosophy but they had tons more players to choose from. Keep in mind, we are talking about road trips or commercial flights which were nowhere near as convenient as travel today.

It was considered an uphill battle to recruit against the other SEC teams in their respective geographies which is why Fulmer was forced to the jet to reach out to CA, TX and other states.
 
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VolBraniac said:
If you go back to the 60s/70s/80s the numbers of UT/SEC quality athletes in state was minimal. If you missed on them, you also missed the low hanging fruit. This was also the Alabama/Auburn philosophy but they had tons more players to choose from. Keep in mind, we are talking about road trips or commercial flights which were nowhere near as convenient as travel today.

It was considered an uphill battle to recruit against the other SEC teams in their respective geographies which is why Fulmer was forced to the jet to reach out to CA, TX and other states.
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If you go back to the 50s, you will find that about half of the 120 or more on scholarship were from Tennessee.
 
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VolDC said:
I haven't been on board with Pruitt to this point. Part of that is being snake bit by jumping straight on the bandwagon with the last 3 coaches. Then there is the part of me that can't fathom why Fulmer would even consider a Alabubba Coach. That's gotta be like kissing your sister with a dip in. Putting a lot of effort into the two 5 star corners that went to USC kinda didn't work out either. I know why he did it. It made perfect sense, until it didn't work out. I have been a little underwhelmed with recruiting in general, although they did close out the dline well last year. The Mays fiasco was not a high point either.

But sitting back watching the tea leaves, Morris is big time if he commits. Lampley is one of the best players in the state at a position of need. I think a Morris commit leads to a Wright commit. Then we are getting close to just needing to build depth on the offensive line. It looks like we are after the right size dlineman. Crouch is seriously looking at us now. Wilhoite is a real option now, along with Curry, and a possible commitment with Keyton. I am impressed that they are cherry picking the state with evaluations that match their scheme. All these guys have done an about face in the last few weeks after getting to know coaches, seeing how practices are run, and the Orange and White game. Three worrisome areas that I haven't seen a bunch on, would be a stud back if Crouch plays lb, secondary, and linebacker.

We still have enough talent to win against lower tier SEC teams. If the stars align and we somehow go into the Georgia game 4-0 with a solid showing in the following 3 games, ie not being blown out by anybody, I think recruiting will blow up with top tier names. If the season plays out like that, kids will see talent being coached up, and a quick turn around at UT by a competent staff. Then I think you could see kids like Clay Webb, Pappoe, and Bogle heat up late in the fall. The groundwork has been put in well for this staff, and they're definitely downplaying this season. Heaven help us if Harrison Bailey decided on us this summer. That would be a game changer as well. It all looks possible at this point.

Sorry for the long post. I could be 100% full of ****. I just had to get the negavol off my chest. I just hope Pruitt doesn't stir up the Legion of the Miserable with another call out like he did at the Orange and White game. I would love to see a coaching staff be supported by that side of the fan base again.
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Nobody had a problem with David Cutcliff running our offense and he's a Bammer Grad. These Coach's have no loyalty to any school. This is their job and their ability to support their family rests on their success as a Coach. I don't care if Fulmer hired a Bammer, Gator, Dawg or any other University as long as he wins. As much as Fulmer hates Ala he didn't have an issue with him being an Ala Alumni, so why should any Vol fan? Would you rather Fulmer hired a Vol grad and average 8 wins a year or a rivals grad( Ala,Ga,Fla,Au, SCe) and competent for Championships? I'm going with #2. Pat Dye is a Dawg but once he got hired at Auburn he's been a Tiger ever since. Fulmer See's Pruitt's body of work and reputation and See's a helluva football coach. Maybe it's just me, but who gives a damn where a HC graduated from.
 
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Volle said:
Good post, I hope a 4-0 start happens... optimistic, but would turn around recruiting.

If Jeremy doesn't win, he will not be here long, because criticizing Vol fans doesn't play out well when it comes from a Bama guy. So he's basically drawn the line in the sand.
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I can assure you Vol fans won't dictate how long Pruitt is HC here. That will be Fulmer's decision, not fans. Pruitt will get atleast 5 yrs, but he will have us turned around much sooner than that. Most level headed Vol fans could care less that he is an Ala Grad. Long as he wins he could have degree's from Ala, Fla, Ga and SCe and nobody will care. The only Vol fans that continue to have an issue with this have very little football IQ and won't ever get past where he graduated from. If anyone thinks A HC only has loyalty to his alma mater, then they may wanna consider watching a different sport. If that was the case then very few HC's will be in that profession very long. If Coach's really made decisions based off that, then Spurrier would have never Coached at SCe, Dye would never have coached at Auburn, , Will Muschamp would have never Coached at Fla or S.Carol, Les Miles wouldn't have turned down Mich to stay at LSU, Mark Richt would have never Coached at Fla St, Rick Neuheisel wouldn't have coached at Washington, Justin Wilcox wouldn't have coached at USC or Wash,etc. I could do this all night. Recruiting is gonna be fine. The '19 class will be really good and the '20 class will be great. We will have some recruiting momentum before the season even starts. Texas went 7-6 and finished 3rd in the final recruiting rankings, Fla St finished 7-6 and finished #11. Fla finished 4-7 and ended up #14, we went 4-8 and still had a top 20 class. On the field results definitely help, but they aren't near the biggest factor on how a class finishes. Dooley and Butch had some top 10 classes following a yr we didn't make a bowl. And neither Butch, Dooley or their staff's are even in the same league as JP and his staff when it comes to recruiting.
 
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