Pryor leaving Ohio State

#52
#52
That's insane. I knew it was bad but I never knew in full detail. Would the NCAA ever slam someone that hard again?
 
#54
#54
I think the scholarship reductions on top of the death penalty were too excessive. Seems like once the death penalty is given, the program should have a completely fresh start when they return.
 
#55
#55
That's insane. I knew it was bad but I never knew in full detail. Would the NCAA ever slam someone that hard again?

Sure they would if the violations were serious enough. OSU deserves the death penalty if all I've read is true. Will it happen? Probably not....
 
#56
#56
That's insane. I knew it was bad but I never knew in full detail. Would the NCAA ever slam someone that hard again?

They seem to try to avoid it unless they absolutely feel they are forced to, after seeing what it did to SMU

Years later, members of the committee that imposed the "death penalty" said that they had never anticipated a situation where they would ever have to impose it, but their investigation at SMU revealed a program completely out of control.[9] Still, the crippling effects the penalty had on SMU has reportedly made the NCAA skittish about imposing another one. Former University of Florida President John V. Lombardi, now president of the Louisiana State University System, said in 2002: "SMU taught the committee that the death penalty is too much like the nuclear bomb. It's like what happened after we dropped the (atom) bomb in World War II. The results were so catastrophic that now we'll do anything to avoid dropping another one.”


the only schools that have seen anything like it since have been Morehouse College's soccer team in 2000 and MacMurray College's tennis team in 2005....but nothing as harsh as this

In 2000, Morehouse's part-time soccer coach, Augustine Konneh, signed two Nigerian-born players to play for the Maroon Tigers even though they'd played professionally for the Atlanta Ruckus of the A-League two years earlier. Konneh had lobbied to get soccer elevated from intramural to varsity status in 1998. They also played a few games before they actually enrolled at the school. Even though the school's then-athletic director got word that the two players might have been ineligible, they were allowed to play in 2001 as well. Although Konneh was replaced as coach in 2001, numerous other violations—including a player being allowed to compete without proper paperwork—led Morehouse to cancel the 2003 season. In November 2003, the NCAA barred Morehouse from fielding a soccer team again until 2006. It also slapped Morehouse with five years' probation—tied for the longest probation ever. USA Today called it the harshest penalty ever handed down to a collegiate program. The NCAA came down particularly hard on Morehouse due to a lack of institutional control; for a time the athletic department didn't know the soccer program even existed. While this was Morehouse's first major infractions case ever, the NCAA felt compelled to impose the death penalty due to what it called "a complete failure" to keep the program in compliance.[12] Soccer at Morehouse has since reverted to intramural status; school officials had planned to shutter varsity soccer for an indefinite period even before the NCAA acted.

MacMurray College's men's tennis team had its 2005-06 and 2006-07 seasons canceled after coach Neal Hart and his late father arranged to obtain scholarships for 10 players from foreign countries. Division III schools are not allowed to offer scholarships. The team had played only one match in 2004 when school officials learned about the violations. MacMurray canceled the rest of the 2004-05 season and forfeited the one match it played that year. In addition to having two seasons canceled, MacMurray was barred from postseason play in 2008 and 2009. The NCAA said that while Hart's intentions were good, he had nonetheless committed blatant violations.[13] As with Morehouse two years earlier, while this was MacMurray's first major infractions case ever, the NCAA felt compelled to impose the "death penalty" due to the nature of the violations.
 
#57
#57
I don't think OSU was on probation at the time of these violations, so I would think that puts the death penalty out of play from the start.
 
#58
#58
but simply put, they try to avoid it on a school's football program until it becomes absolutely necessary
 
#60
#60
Sure they would if the violations were serious enough. OSU deserves the death penalty if all I've read is true. Will it happen? Probably not....

OSU's nowhere near SMU bad. I'd argue they're much closer to a USC level punishment than one of SMU level.
 
#61
#61
I don't think OSU was on probation at the time of these violations, so I would think that puts the death penalty out of play from the start.

Even if major violations have been occuring the last ten years? Either way, OSU should be nailed....
 
#63
#63
OSU's nowhere near SMU bad. I'd argue they're much closer to a USC level punishment than one of SMU level.
It's safely past USC bad at this point, IMO. If OSU doesn't get hit as hard as USC, it would have to be because they didn't handle the investigation as poorly.
 
#65
#65
It's safely past USC bad at this point, IMO. If OSU doesn't get hit as hard as USC, it would have to be because they didn't handle the investigation as poorly.

yeah i was picturing it as inbetween (but so much closer to So Cal than SMU)


but yeah, USC's blatant, constant lying to the NCAA's face about everything really hurt them. the poor handling made it much, much worse
 
#67
#67
I think the actual name of the death penalty is the 'repeat violators rule' or something like that.

correct (or close). it was passed in 1985.

The NCAA has always had the power to ban an institution from competing in a particular sport. However, in 1985, in response to rampant violations at several schools, the NCAA Council passed the "repeat violator" rule.
 
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#68
#68
Yes it did.

They come clean from the get go and lose 5 scholarships and maybe a one year bowl ban.
That is what makes me unsure about what Ohio State will get. Anything less than USC and some people will be furious, but I could definitely see it being less.
 
#69
#69
I think the actual name of the death penalty is the 'repeat violators rule' or something like that.

It might not be as bad as SMU, but if the OSU allegations are proven to be true it still warrants a severe penalty.
 
#70
#70
That is what makes me unsure about what Ohio State will get. Anything less than USC and some people will be furious, but I could definitely see it being less.

The only way that happens is if Tressel takes full responsibility and gets pretty much banned from coaching for the rest of his life.
 

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