Question about Skylar (not shooting ability)

[bleedingTNorange]

While McBee might not be all you want out of him in 3pt% his 40% is better than what almost 60% of the league has.

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Shooting almost 40% from 3pt range in college is pretty good. Chris Lofton only shot 38.4% his senior year, and JJ Riddick shot 39.9, 39.5, 40.3 and 42.1% going from his freshman to senior years. And the line was closer back then. They are #4 and #1 all time in NCAA for makes. Here is a list of all time 3pt FG made. Most of these guys are right around 40%.

List of NCAA Division I men's basketball career 3-point scoring leaders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And lofton and redick both averaged almost 20 a game they were capable of doing other things as well. BTW way to take loftons year he had cancer, he shot much better without cancer in case you didn't know this. If skylar was averaging 18 a game and shooting 40% from 3 thatd be great and nobody would complain, but all he does is shoot 3's. The fact the percent of his shots are higher than any of the guys you mentioned from 3, he'd be considered a solely 3 point shooter. What that means is out of the shot skykar takes almost 90% of them are from 3, you cant say that about any of these guys on list you showed menor the guys we are talking about. If Jenkins, Taylor, lofton and redick can shoot 40+% and do other things besides shoot 3's why should skylar not be able to atleast match or better those numbers?

As I showed you Taylor and Jenkins both shoot incredible wherever they go, and both guys do lots of other things besises shoot from 3, yet skylars % is worse than those guys. IMO if almost 90% of your shots come from 3 which is much more than anyone else, you'd think you'd e a master of your trait. He does one thing shoot 3's asking him to be as good as those who are complete players and not just 3 point shooters is not unfair in my opinion.

Skykars job is to do one thing and that is hit 3 pointers. All my point is is that for someone who ONLY shoots 3's, you'd think they'd be able to shoot them as well, if not better, than someone who has a mre well rounded game. Taylor and Jenkins work on post up, driving, pull ups and an aray of different things offensively, while skylar works on one thing THREES. There is no reason you can honestly give me that supports why mcbee shouldn't lead the sec in 3 point %.

 

[CAVol]

i did retract my statement somewhat and say that he is probably a 3 point specialist and like you said much like lofton at this level. i agree when jenkins came in that is all he was but he has developed more of a 2 pt fg game than lofton did. jenkins shoots about 8% more of his shots from 2 than lofton did, which equated out to about 4 more 2 pt fg attempts per game than lofton. so he isnt as much of a sole perimeter player as lofton was, and a lot of that probably has to do with the size difference, jenkins is better suited to be in the lane than chris. as you said, his abillity to creat his own shot isnt much better than lofton's, but he does shoot a few more 2's than chris did a game, as evidenced by the numbers.

back to the point though, the whole thing was the poster saying that 45% was a bit high to ask of mcbee to shoot even though he is a 3 point specialist. my point was jenkins shoots over 45% and is much less of a 3 point specialist than skylar is. jenkins shoots 64% of his shots from 3, skylar shoots 88% of his shots from 3 so clearly skylar would be considered more of the one trick pony, 3 point "specialist". i was simply pointing out that someone who isnt as much of a specialist and works on other parts of their offense easily shoots over 45%, meanwhile our guy who ONLY shoots 3 and only practices 3's offensively cant shoot 45%. thats all i was saying.

Maybe you misunderstood what I was saying. All I said was 45% is a really good shooting percentage. Especially if you consider that Chris Lofton shot 42% for his career and only got above 45% once... Which was in his freshman year and even then he only shot 46%. Skylar is shooting at almost 40% this year. Considering everyone sags to his side to cover him because we have no one to keep them honest on the opposite side (jajuan smith)... I would say 40% is a pretty good number.

Edit: sorry I'm on my phone and didn't see zansdaf posted something similar above me.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Maybe you misunderstood what I was saying. All I said was 45% is a really good shooting percentage. Especially if you consider that Chris Lofton shot 42% for his career and only got above 45% once... Which was in his senior year and even then he only shot 46%. Skylar is shooting at almost 40% this year. Considering everyone sags to his side to cover him because we have no one to keep them honest on the opposite side (jajuan smith)... I would say 40% is a pretty good number.

And defenses didn't key on lofton? Mcbee has 2 or 3 open 3's vs UK he missed that we're kick outs from our post, HE HAS TO HIT THOSE. 45% is a good percentage, but I don't think it's unfair to ask the guy who all he does is shoot 3's to have a great percentage, do you? He should absolutely be a knock down shooter, most of his shots come off passes where he's set and ready to shoot. Lofton did a lot of his off the dribble himself and getting his shot, loftons looks we're much more difficult than mcbee. When lofton got lost and was wide open and could set and shoot you could count it, not with mcbee that's my point. His job is solely to be a knock down spot up shooter and 40% doesn't fall under that, he needs to e at atleast 45%. And the biggest thing is te disparity of road/home, we need that percentage to be consistent or he's a liability in the road. Shooting 48% at home but 20% on the road doesn't do much for us, knock down shooters shoot anywhere I guarantee lofton was pretty much the same on the road as at home.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Maybe you misunderstood what I was saying. All I said was 45% is a really good shooting percentage. Especially if you consider that Chris Lofton shot 42% for his career and only got above 45% once... Which was in his freshman year and even then he only shot 46%. Skylar is shooting at almost 40% this year. Considering everyone sags to his side to cover him because we have no one to keep them honest on the opposite side (jajuan smith)... I would say 40% is a pretty good number.

Edit: sorry I'm on my phone and didn't see zansdaf posted something similar above me.

Question:
What is mcbee career average?

Answer:
34%

That is not a good 3 point shooter sorry. In fact, for a guy considered to be an embarrassment and that is his strong point, that's actually an embarrassing number.

 

[CAVol]

Question:
What is mcbee career average?

Answer:
34%

That is not a good 3 point shooter sorry. In fact, for a guy considered to be an embarrassment and that is his strong point, that's actually an embarrassing number.

I'm not trying to defend him. I fully believe he is a liability when he's out there and that his shooting percentage is unacceptable. I thought we were discussing expectations. I'm tired of seeing him miss open ones too. 40-45% is acceptable in college. 28% on the road is not. That has to change.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I'm not trying to defend him. I fully believe he is a liability when he's out there and that his shooting percentage is unacceptable. I thought we were discussing expectations. I'm tired of seeing him miss open ones too. 40-45% is acceptable in college. 28% on the road is not. That has to change.

Well you said 35-40 was decent which I thought you were saying was acceptable and it's not. There's no reason he should shoot under 45% IMO and he has proven he can by shooting over that at home, but it's time he figure out whats going on on the road because its killing us.

 

[CAVol]

Well you said 35-40 was decent which I thought you were saying was acceptable and it's not. There's no reason he should shoot under 45% IMO and he has proven he can by shooting over that at home, but it's time he figure out whats going on on the road because its killing us.

I should have phrased my original post better. 35-40% is what I consider average. Decent was a bit too vague.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I should have phrased my original post better. 35-40% is what I consider average. Decent was a bit too vague.

agreed 35-40% is what youd consider a threat from 3 and can knock down the shot, but not a premier 3 point shooter. with skylar being a 3 point specialist and supposed to be an elite 3 point knock down shooter, IMO he should be around 45%. as i said he clearly can do it as he shoots over that mark at home, just the road shooting is really killing him. he's not the only one of our players that is having trouble on the road though, it just hurts when our posts make good kickouts to him and he misses open 3's, we need all the points we can get on the road.

 

[CAVol]

agreed 35-40% is what youd consider a threat from 3 and can knock down the shot, but not a premier 3 point shooter. with skylar being a 3 point specialist and supposed to be an elite 3 point knock down shooter, IMO he should be around 45%. as i said he clearly can do it as he shoots over that mark at home, just the road shooting is really killing him. he's not the only one of our players that is having trouble on the road though, it just hurts when our posts make good kickouts to him and he misses open 3's, we need all the points we can get on the road.

Agree 100%. As a former post player in college, nothing frustrated me more than kicking out to a wide open shooter and they miss. I don't have an answer to this team's road woe's. Ive never seen a team be so up and down, and its not necessarily from lack of effort. Because its pretty clear some guys are playing their asses off. Jmo

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Agree 100%. As a former post player in college, nothing frustrated me more than kicking out to a wide open shooter and they miss. I don't have an answer to this team's road woe's. Ive never seen a team be so up and down, and its not necessarily from lack of effort. Because its pretty clear some guys are playing their asses off. Jmo

yea effort is not the question i think we just dont have enough true basketball players or good basketball players on this team. to the best of my judgment i view golden, maymon and stokes as the only 3 on this team right now that really have that fight, and are good talented players as well. the problem IMO is that they are surrounded by guys that either dont have the fight or have the fight but not the talent. It's like the old expression, you are only as strong as your weakest link. while maymon and stokes work their butts off and play hard they can only do so much without some help from the 2 and 3 positions. same goes for golden, he gets hounded by opposing defenses now, because we are getting no contribution from the 2 or the 3 spots. against lesser talented teams this is not a problem as their rosters have the same issues, but going against good teams or teams that really present a good game plan it really is exposed our lack of talent, and true ball players.

 

[CAVol]

yea effort is not the question i think we just dont have enough true basketball players or good basketball players on this team. to the best of my judgment i view golden, maymon and stokes as the only 3 on this team right now that really have that fight, and are good talented players as well. the problem IMO is that they are surrounded by guys that either dont have the fight or have the fight but not the talent. It's like the old expression, you are only as strong as your weakest link. while maymon and stokes work their butts off and play hard they can only do so much without some help from the 2 and 3 positions. same goes for golden, he gets hounded by opposing defenses now, because we are getting no contribution from the 2 or the 3 spots. against lesser talented teams this is not a problem as their rosters have the same issues, but going against good teams or teams that really present a good game plan it really is exposed our lack of talent, and true ball players.

I truly believe Cameron Tatum is a huge part of this team's problems. Perfect example... Tatum, a senior, doesn't show up to play against Kentucky on Tuesday. Woolride, another senior, comes off the bench and does what a senior should do on the road. Plays hard and gives his all to keep his team in the game. If Tatum came in focused on the road we would be much better off as a whole.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I truly believe Cameron Tatum is a huge part of this team's problems. Perfect example... Tatum, a senior, doesn't show up to play against Kentucky on Tuesday. Woolride, another senior, comes off the bench and does what a senior should do on the road. Plays hard and gives his all to keep his team in the game. If Tatum came in focused on the road we would be much better off as a whole.

the 3 position is killing us right now you are correct about that, and its a domino effect IMO. tatum plays the 3 he plays bad and isnt contributing, meanwhile we have richardson at the 2 who plays good defense but bring no offense. so now we are getting ZERO offense from the 2&3 positions, so we bring in mcbee for some offense well now we sacrifice the defense and the way mcbee has shot still dont gain much offense. i really hope edwards can come in next year and be an improvement, i dont really see how he couldnt be an improvement.

 

[CAVol]

the 3 position is killing us right now you are correct about that, and its a domino effect IMO. tatum plays the 3 he plays bad and isnt contributing, meanwhile we have richardson at the 2 who plays good defense but bring no offense. so now we are getting ZERO offense from the 2&3 positions, so we bring in mcbee for some offense well now we sacrifice the defense and the way mcbee has shot still dont gain much offense. i really hope edwards can come in next year and be an improvement, i dont really see how he couldnt be an improvement.

Just posted a thread about Tatum on the road. The numbers don't lie.

 

[tenn fever]

Sorry no punch from Skylar

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Sorry no punch from Skylar

i wouldnt have minded seeing one right in the middle of that uni-brow though

 

[LittleCat]

It was all unibrow and Lamb. The fact that we got double technical was laughable, like the rest of the officiating.

Kensucky fans have just been enabled too long by the officials, so they think nothing is their team's fault.

:shakehead:

 

[jp1]

Hitting 50% is not asking a lot especially when that is all you do.

I got a chuckle out of this. I'm not sure if that was your intention. If you were going to throw out an unrealistic goal why did you stop at 50%? I mean geez would it be too much to ask for him to at least hit 3 outta 4 since that is all he does? Some of you guys freakin kill me. Don't gripe about his defense then cause he doesn't have time to work on that.

 

[GBO18]

I got a chuckle out of this. I'm not sure if that was your intention. If you were going to throw out an unrealistic goal why did you stop at 50%? I mean geez would it be too much to ask for him to at least hit 3 outta 4 since that is all he does? Some of you guys freakin kill me. Don't gripe about his defense then cause he doesn't have time to work on that.

Clueless.

 

[GBO18]

Since he is struggling shooting then his defense should be stellar correct?

 

[GameTime]

He may have given a harsh stare, but no punch.