Question about the offensive scheme

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I'm just curious about our scheme on offense? Maybe it's just me, but it seemed like when Worley was in, we were taking more shots down the middle of the field. With Dobbs, all we seem to do is little slants, bubbles, or comeback routes. There were quite a few times when we exploited the middle of the field vs Auburn and he wouldn't throw it. I sit in M first row on the field and I don't remember how many times our entire section was yelling for him to throw it down the middle to an open receiver haha. I remember one play where Croom was wide open in the middle of the endzone and Dobbs threw it to the corner for Pig to make a jumping catch. Are you kidding? Why is Pig (like 5'8 or 5'9) on the outside going to the corner for a jump ball, while Croom (6'5") and North (6'3'') are in the middle? I'm just wondering what exactly Bajakian is calling? And yes, I know....I'm not a coach so I don't have any room to say this junk. Just a curious fan wondering if anyone else thinks the same? Vols-56 Vandy-7
 
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Op stand by the Dobbs is god crowd is going to flame u..

He is avg n I've seen nothing to say his class room IQ is equating to great football IQ..imo
 
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The major problem with Dobbs is he doesn't understand how to efficiently read defenses yet. I know this because every time he sees something crazy on defense he immediately looks to the sidelines for the audible from Mike B. This system is deigned for the QB to know his check downs, and for the WR to understand route running and finding open spots in defenses. We are so young/inexperienced at WR and QB, that Mike B. system is over simplified right now. The read option play on first down is the only play we know how to run on first and ten it seams, and we don't have a TE who can block in the spread very well. We simply aren't designed to run a true spread offense roster wise right now, and that's why we look like poo most days on offense. Each year should get better and better in terms of production for this offense, and I hope by year 3 we see some power run schemes and some much better/more complex play calling.
 
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A freshman QB is going to try to avoid interceptions more than anything else(in most cases). Throwing over the middle is scary if you don't trust your timing.
 
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92volalum said:
Op stand by the Dobbs is god crowd is going to flame u..

He is avg n I've seen nothing to say his class room IQ is equating to great football IQ..imo
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You have a fairy tale idea of how a TRUE FRESHMAN QB should play. He is going to make mistakes man that's what Freshman do. That's like saying Cam Sutton won't be a good DB cause he got beat deep on a pass. It happens man.
 
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I guess you all are right, but I mean, I don't know......I guess we expect every new QB to come in and be like Bray in his first game against Memphis throwing for 400 yds and 5 touchdowns lol.
 
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i don't know,i'm not impressed about the read option offense so far,of course it could be a lack of talent for what the coaches want to run,i do think Worley would be a good passer in more of a pro style offense
 
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Lets face it he is a average freshman QB he is going to make mistakes. Hopefully with time he will get much better
 
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governmentmule said:
i don't know,i'm not impressed about the read option offense so far,of course it could be a lack of talent for what the coaches want to run,i do think Worley would be a good passer in more of a pro style offense
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I agree with you on Worley. As for the spread offense I hate it everybody in college is switching to it. I personally think it is runing the game. I guess I'm just old school I like the prostyle attack. I watched the USC vs STANFORD gm and loved watching the prostyle gm on both sides of the ball.
 
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Let's compare our offensive productivity with Dobbs at the helm, accompanied by an inexperienced receiver corps, vs. the same period of Peyton's career. This year we scored 10 points against Alabama, the number one team in the country, 3 vs. Missouri, and 23 vs. Auburn, for a total of 36. Yes, I realize that we had a defensive score vs. Auburn.

Peyton first started against Washington State in 1994. We scored nine points that game, followed by 38 against what would prove to be a 4-7 Arkansas team, and 13 against an eventual 12-1 Alabama squad, for a total of 60 points. Peyton had a better and more experienced supporting cast, but, as great as he would eventually become, that offense didn't really begin to hum until the end of the season, when we posted 52 and 65 points against Kentucky and Vanderbilt, respectively, and 45 vs. Virginia Tech in the Gator Bowl.

The bottom line is that it's never an ideal situation to start a true freshman quarterback, so let's reserve judgment on Dobbs' potential, let alone his play, for a while. Furthermore, Peyton's first three starts were against teams with a combined 24-12 record. Dobbs has played against currently the 1st, 6th and 8th-ranked teams, whose combined record is 29-2. That could factor into why Dobbs has not thrown a touchdown pass thus far.
 
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GBOVOLS said:
You have a fairy tale idea of how a TRUE FRESHMAN QB should play. He is going to make mistakes man that's what Freshman do. That's like saying Cam Sutton won't be a good DB cause he got beat deep on a pass. It happens man.
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You are right . All one has to do is look to Mannings freshman season ...and then his first year in the NFL .

It certainly was not an indication of his future . Dobbs has all the goods ...I think he will turn into a great QB
 
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majic73 said:
You are right . All one has to do is look to Mannings freshman season ...and then his first year in the NFL .

It certainly was not an indication of his future . Dobbs has all the goods ...I think he will turn into a great QB
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He very well may. Hope he does, although it isn't looking promising to this point. Vandy, and ky will be a better measuring point though.
 
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The reality is to beat the bamas, ugas, and lsus of the world we're going to have to have a complete offensive threat. Especially with this kind of offense. The read option freezes the LB'S, de's, and to some degree safeties. Based on what I've seen of Butch's offense here and at Cinci, it's all or nothing. It works great when it's clicking on all cylinders. Let's just hope we can recruit a defense that can make plays for the days that it's not.
 
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why would anybody compare Dobbs to Manning ? he is the 4th string QB,injuries have gotten him to being the starter,which i do hope he is a great one,but it will be a battle come spring as to who will be the starter for next year
 
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The point of comparing Josh to Peyton is to illustrate that most true freshman quarterbacks, including Peyton, struggle initially. Hence, the need to temper expectations, let alone draw premature conclusions regarding Dobbs' potential.
 
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HardKnoxVol said:
I guess you all are right, but I mean, I don't know......I guess we expect every new QB to come in and be like Bray in his first game against Memphis throwing for 400 yds and 5 touchdowns lol.
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I started laughing when you brought up MEMPHIS too...:eek:lol:...did it again :post-4-1090547912:
 
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Eventually we will have TE that can catch and block and FB/big back that can run, catch and block as well. With all the good receivers that we have now and coming in the next class, we should see a marked improvement in the offense. On 1 play we could see the TE catching a pass down the seem, next play FB catching one out in the flat on a wheel route, next play you could see the TE and FB blocking for RB to run run over the MLB or 5 WR running all over the field. That's how I see this offense working. Find their weakness and exploit it to maximum advantage much like Auburn did to us..
 
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GBOVOLS said:
You have a fairy tale idea of how a TRUE FRESHMAN QB should play. He is going to make mistakes man that's what Freshman do. That's like saying Cam Sutton won't be a good DB cause he got beat deep on a pass. It happens man.
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Exactly, and there was a thread about this earlier in the year about Worley and the offensive scheme. I didnt understand pig being thrown to and/or lining up on the outside in go routes. While I dont understand it, I will roll with it and hope for the best.
 
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governmentmule said:
why would anybody compare Dobbs to Manning ? he is the 4th string QB,injuries have gotten him to being the starterr
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Manning was in a similar situation his freshman year. He became the starter after injuries to the first stringer (Colquitt) and the second stringer (Helton), and he hadn't decisively beat out Branndon Stewart for third string. Manning had some spectacular throws his freshman year, but he had some rough games. Little Man Stewart and Aaron Hayden carried much of the offensive workload.

Manning didn't do that well against the two Top-25 opponents he faced as a freshman starter (7/14 79 yards vs. #17 Washington St., 10/18 138 yards 2 INTs vs. #10 Alabama).
 
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Bms4880 said:
Manning was in a similar situation his freshman year. He became the starter after injuries to the first stringer (Colquitt) and the second stringer (Helton), and he hadn't decisively beat out Branndon Stewart for third string. Manning had some spectacular throws his freshman year, but he had some rough games. Little Man Stewart and Aaron Hayden carried much of the offensive workload.

Manning didn't do that well against the two Top-25 opponents he faced as a freshman starter (7/14 79 yards vs. #17 Washington St., 10/18 138 yards 2 INTs vs. #10 Alabama).
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Great points...but he didn't start against Bama
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