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What is Barack Hussein Obamama??


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#53
#53
I didn't vote but he does ascribe to a group that claims to be Christian. For those concerned about his being a Muslim, you should be far more concerned about the teachings of the church and religious teachers he is associated with. I would rather him be a "moderate" Muslim than the kind of "Christian" he claims to be.

Once a muslim always a muslim. BTW, the term 'moderate
muslim' is ugly and an insult to islam itself according to the
PM of Turkey that Obamama describes as his close personal
friend, 'islam is islam, there is no moderate or immoderate
islam!'


Wright was a member of the NOI before calling himself
reverend and preaching his black liberation theoloty screed
of hatred and it is nothing more than atheistic marxism
masquerating as Christianity.

Does this sound Christian to you?:

“Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified
totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not
for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and
we had better kill him.
The task of black theology is to kill
Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black
theology will accept only the love of God which participates
in the destruction of the white enemy.
What we need is
the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the
power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and
now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is
participating in this holy activity, we must reject his
love
.”

(James Cone, quoted in “Divine Racism: The Unacknowledged
Threshold Issue for Black Theology,” by William R. Jones in
African-American Religious Thought: An Anthology, edited by
Cornel West and Eddie Glaube (Westminster John Knox Press).

You had better vote, politics is not a spectator sport!! :)






Sometimes you can't tell it's a apple tree til you see the fruit.

You're plagerising George Washington Carver??

The 'fruit of islam' branch of NOI.

Over four hundred random murders and only four convictions
and this isn't the only campaign of this sort.

The operation came down from the highest reaches of
the NOI, making the NOI the bloodiest domestic terrorist
group in American history.
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We still do not know how many whites the Nation of Islam
murdered during the period of 1970-75, let alone how many
it has since murdered, not to mention how many copycat
black-on-white murders it may have inspired.
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The NAACP went to court to handcuff the police, and won.
It was supported by, among other groups, a racist, black-
dominated, counter-police organization called Officers for
Justice, whose president was an SFPD officer named Jesse
Byrd (spelled “Bird” in some accounts). Jesse Byrd was a
Black Muslim.
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Shortly thereafter, a car pulled up with four more NOI
assassins. (Howard’s description of the five suggested
they were from the Fruit of Islam, the NOI’s
palace guard, as the FOI were much more disciplined
than the Zebra killers.)
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We are talking here about a police officer who, based
on Coreris’ story, was guilty of conspiring to murder a
government witness, conspiring to obstruct justice, and
who was an accomplice after the fact in at least 15
murders, at least nine attempted murders, and various
and sundry other felonies.


Uh, just so there is no mistake, don't confuse fruits of islam

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with fruits for islam.

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I voted Christian because that is what he says he is. I am not his judge.

Are you not familiar with the islaic doctrine of 'taqiyya?'

(deception of infidels)

It is permissable, mandatory even, that one can
claim to be a Christian for 30, 40 or more years as
long as one is doing so to advance the cause of islam.

Let me introduce you to another term 'kitman.'

Islam Watch - "Taqiyya and kitman: Role of Deception in Islamic terrorism" by Author

The skilful use of taqiyya and kitman was often a matter
of life and death against enemies; it is also a matter of
life and death to many contemporary Islamic terrorists.
As so often in the history of Islam, a theological doctrine
became operational.

During the Spanish inquisition, Sunni Moriscos attended
mass and returned home to wash their hands of the 'holy
water'. In operational terms, taqiyya and kitman allowed
the 'mujahadeen ' to assume whatever identity was
necessary to fulfill their mission; they had doctrinal and
theological and later jurisprudential sanction to pretend
to be Jews or Christians to gain access to Christian and
Jewish targets: 'the mujahadeen can take the shape of
the enemy'.

Taqiyya is common to both Shiite and Sunni Muslim
discourse and has significant implications for understanding
Islamic fundamentalism and terrorist operations. The theory
and practice of counter terrorism would be counter productive,
indeed pointless, and even harmful, without reference to
taqiyya and kitman and the crucial role of deception ranging
from Islamic jurisprudence to Al Qaeda training manuals,
which carry detailed instructions on the use of deception
by terrorists in Western target countries.


According to Christian ethics lying is a sin; In Islamic
jurisprudence and theology, the use of taqiyya
against the unbelievers is regarded as
a virtue and a religious duty.

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The 9/11 terrorists lived and visited in the United States
for two years before the 9/11 attacks. How did they
acculturate? By the use of taqiyya. Meaning: I hate
you but I smile at you-in public.
 
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#54
#54
I voted Christian because that is what he says he is. I am not his judge.

Using your intellect to detect incongruities is not "judging". If he claimed he was the Silver Surfer, would you believe him?
 
#55
#55
So you introduced William Ayers into the discussion.

How do you say that he is any different than
Charlie Manson??

You claim him to be intelligent, how so???

Ayers is at a bare minimum an accessory to murder.

Not only that he is arrogantly unrepentant.

Why do you think he should not be prosecuted
for his crimes?

You shall know a tree by it's fruit.

Ayers' teaching have indirectly led to such crimes
as the kidnap/rape/torture/mutilation/murder of
students at the University of Tennessee.

Do you also approve of that???


Correction, I made a joke about the silly propaganda spread by the McCain/Palin camp during the election. YOU made it a discussion point.

Charles Manson was a musician, Bill Ayers was not :p

When did I make that claim? Quit being stupid.

I don't think anyone should be prosecuted for murder when they didn't actually do it. If you think words that bring about murderous urges should be treated as murder, then we should jail the kids at Columbine for making fun of Kip Kinkle throughout his childhood, alon g with his parents.

See, it pisses me off when someone rationalizes anything by use of the word "indirectly." It's indirectly proving that you have no ground to stand on.

Post some pictures to prove that point, father time.
 
#57
#57
Correction, I made a joke about the silly propaganda spread by the McCain/Palin camp during the election. YOU made it a discussion point.

No propaganda about the fact that the political carreer of Barack Hussein Obama was launched in the house of William Ayers and that Obama was meant to replace a commie so dedicated that she attended a communist party summit in Moscow, USSR.



Charles Manson was a musician, Bill Ayers was not :p

Is that your only difference?? Not much difference!!

First off Manson was NOT a musician.

He may have owned a guitar at one time.

Remember the guy I mentioned who was supposed to be at Sharon Tate's house the night of the murders??

He was known by many insiders as 'Mr Music Man' and was very instrumental in the carreers of artists from Aretha Franklin to the Beach Boys.

He put the Memphis Horns behind Aretha on her first recording, and renamed the Surfer Boys by telling them they should be the Beach Boys.

He promoted the first album of the Eagles by renting a stage coach from Universal Studios and recorded Iron Butterfly among many many other accomplishments.

Charlie Manson made it into his office to pitch some songs and the 'Fish' told him to go pawn the guitar, he couldn't play, he couldn't sing and he couldn't write a song!!!!



When did I make that claim? Quit being stupid.

You didn't claim that William Ayers would get many more accolades for his intelligence and accomplishments??

I must have missed something.

BTW, it is you, not me, being stupid.



I don't think anyone should be prosecuted for murder when they didn't actually do it. If you think words that bring about murderous urges should be treated as murder, then we should jail the kids at Columbine for making fun of Kip Kinkle throughout his childhood, alon g with his parents.

Charlie Manson will never get out of prison.

Charlie Manson, as far as we know never committed a murder himself, although he may have, his words though resulted did influence others to murder.

The words of William Ayers have resulted in far more many murders than Charlie Manson.

The fact that Williams Ayres was directly involved in building bombs that resulted it the murder of people in San Francisco, among other places, means that he should be indicted, brought to trial and prosecuted for what he did. He claimed responsibility for the bombing of the pentagon, ala Atta.

At the bare minimum he certainly doesn't deserve a respected position in academia.




See, it pisses me off when someone rationalizes anything by use of the word "indirectly." It's indirectly proving that you have no ground to stand on.

Again, I no interest in what pisses you off.

You are the one with no ground on which to stand.


Post some pictures to prove that point, father time.

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#58
#58
No propaganda about the fact that the political carreer of Barack Hussein Obama was launched in the house of William Ayers and that Obama was meant to replace a commie so dedicated that she attended a communist party summit in Moscow, USSR.


There you go again, taking my words, arguing against the wrong point, and accusing me of idiocy when I call you out on it.

FTR, you made this a Bill Ayers discussion. Not I. This was the point I tried to make (forgetting that you have ADD even worse than I do).


Is that your only difference?? Not much difference!!

First off Manson was NOT a musician.

He may have owned a guitar at one time.

Remember the guy I mentioned who was supposed to be at Sharon Tate's house the night of the murders??

He was known by many insiders as 'Mr Music Man' and was very instrumental in the carreers of artists from Aretha Franklin to the Beach Boys.

He put the Memphis Horns behind Aretha on her first recording, and renamed the Surfer Boys by telling them they should be the Beach Boys.

He promoted the first album of the Eagles by renting a stage coach from Universal Studios and recorded Iron Butterfly among many many other accomplishments.

Charlie Manson made it into his office to pitch some songs and the 'Fish' told him to go pawn the guitar, he couldn't play, he couldn't sing and he couldn't write a song!!!!

Once again, I was making a joke. There are stark differences between the two.

Yes, he was technically a musician. (musician - definition of musician by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.)

He recorded an album, which lumps him in that category. (See 'LIE: The Love And Terror Cult.' It sucks, but there is one charming diddy on there entitled 'Look At Your Game Girl')

You take too many things seriously, it seems.


You didn't claim that William Ayers would get many more accolades for his intelligence and accomplishments??

I must have missed something.

BTW, it is you, not me, being stupid.

What does that have to do with you lying about me claiming to be intelligent? Are you high?




Charlie Manson will never get out of prison.

Charlie Manson, as far as we know never committed a murder himself, although he may have, his words though resulted did influence others to murder.

The words of William Ayers have resulted in far more many murders than Charlie Manson.

The fact that Williams Ayres was directly involved in building bombs that resulted it the murder of people in San Francisco, among other places, means that he should be indicted, brought to trial and prosecuted for what he did. He claimed responsibility for the bombing of the pentagon, ala Atta.

At the bare minimum he certainly doesn't deserve a respected position in academia.

The only mention I made of Manson was that he was a musician. The whole Columbine analogy was in response to your point that Ayers is a murderer for influencing people to take lives.

So, I was talking about Bill Ayers. Not Charles Manson. Bill Ayers. Not Charles Manson.

I seriously want that bud you're smoking.

I'm sure the fact that Ayers hasn't been brought to trial for decades is Obama's fault. Ohhh, now I see why you make 'out there' accusations! It's fun!




Again, I no interest in what pisses you off.

You are the one with no ground on which to stand

Another, "No, you!" retort. God, you're so magnificently handicapped. It's really astounding.

Also, you never responded to my Columbine analogy. Where's the angry mob going after the peers who made fun of Kip Kinkle?
 
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#59
Using your intellect to detect incongruities is not "judging". If he claimed he was the Silver Surfer, would you believe him?

The pole did not ask for my personal opinion.
Do I think he is living a Christian life.....no....do I get to make the ultimate/final decision......no.
 
#60
#60
There you go again, taking my words, arguing against the wrong point, and accusing me of idiocy when I call you out on it.

FTR, you made this a Bill Ayers discussion. Not I. This was the point I tried to make (forgetting that you have ADD even worse than I do).

There is no getting around the point that
Barrack Hussein Obama and William Ayers
have had a close working relationship that
goes back for decades.




Once again, I was making a joke. There are stark differences between the two.

Yes, he was technically a musician. (musician - definition of musician by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.)

He recorded an album, which lumps him in that category. (See 'LIE: The Love And Terror Cult.' It sucks, but there is one charming diddy on there entitled 'Look At Your Game Girl')

You take too many things seriously, it seems.

What's the punch line???

You seem to know quite a bit about Manson.

Is he another one of your heros??




What does that have to do with you lying about me claiming to be intelligent? Are you high?

I was referring to your claim that William Ayers
supposedly had some sort of superior intellect.

Bottom line is that he is a stupid jerk.






The only mention I made of Manson was that he was a musician. The whole Columbine analogy was in response to your point that Ayers is a murderer for influencing people to take lives.

So, I was talking about Bill Ayers. Not Charles Manson. Bill Ayers. Not Charles Manson.

I seriously want that bud you're smoking.

And again my question, "what's the difference between
Charles Manson suggesting to people they should commit
violent acts and William Ayers doing the same??"

You need to lay down your crack pipe and back away,
looks like you've smoked way too much bud already.




I'm sure the fact that Ayers hasn't been brought to trial for decades is Obama's fault. Ohhh, now I see why you make 'out there' accusations! It's fun!

Where did I blame Obama?

It doesn't matter who has been at fault, what matters
is that Ayers should be prosecuted.

Eric Holder, Justice Department Investigating William Ayers for 1970 Cop Killing Bombing? | DBKP - Death By 1000 Papercuts - DBKP

“A San Francisco police union has accused
domestic terrorist William Ayers, co-founder
of the Weather Underground, and his wife in
a 1970 bombing that killed one sergeant, the
San Francisco Chronicle reports.”
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“There are irrefutable and compelling reasons
to believe that Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine
Dohrn … are largely responsible for the bombing
of Park Police Station,”
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The article mysteriously neglects to mention
that Ayers is the reputed thinker for Obama.
The Rasputin behind the throne. The man in
the neighborhood who baby sat the girls, who
helped with the book, who controlled the
spending of nonprofits who poured wasted
money into the meaninglessness, useless
leftwing causes that were to change the
inner-slums of Chicago into Utopian gardens.
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“The San Francisco Police Officers Association’s
leadership has been told to muzzle it after signing
a letter accusing onetime Weather Underground
radical Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn,
of being behind the nearly 40-year-old bombing
at a San Francisco police station that killed a
sergeant.
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Police Officers Association President Gary Delagnes
confirmed that his union got a call from federal
investigators telling them they had an “active
investigation and should not be commenting on
the case.”
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But I don’t think that Holder was too interested
in the case when he was with the Clinton
administration.

And now he has taken the position that an
investigation, even an allegation that was
voiced in front of the United States Congress,
is somehow forbidden. Because this is the
Obama’s friend, and former neighbor.






Another, "No, you!" retort. God, you're so magnificently handicapped. It's really astounding.

Also, you never responded to my Columbine analogy. Where's the angry mob going after the peers who made fun of Kip Kinkle?

I missed the whole Columbine thingie and who the
heck is Kip Kinkle??

I suppose you are right up there with ACLG on the
topic of knowledge of mental handicaps?







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#63
#63
There is no getting around the point that
Barrack Hussein Obama and William Ayers
have had a close working relationship that
goes back for decades.

Yes there is... there's no CREDIBLE proof.






What's the punch line???

You seem to know quite a bit about Manson.

Is he another one of your heros??

I studied the emergence of 60's/70's counterculture for a good while. Manson was an interesting figure to study, obviously. I'm also a bit of a music buff.

There is no punchline. Look up everything I said about him.






I was referring to your claim that William Ayers
supposedly had some sort of superior intellect.

Bottom line is that he is a stupid jerk.

Bottom line is that YOU THINK he is a stupid jerk. At the end of the day, he's a very successful professor at a good university.








And again my question, "what's the difference between
Charles Manson suggesting to people they should commit
violent acts and William Ayers doing the same??"

You need to lay down your crack pipe and back away,
looks like you've smoked way too much bud already.

Because Charles Manson was far more successful. He used psychoactive drugs and manipulation to drive his followers to madness.





Where did I blame Obama?

It doesn't matter who has been at fault, what matters
is that Ayers should be prosecuted.

You seem to blame him for your turds stinking. I figured you'd somehow use silly pictures and biased links to lump the two together.

YOU THINK he should be prosecuted.











I missed the whole Columbine thingie and who the
heck is Kip Kinkle??

The two are related because they were both high school shootings. Kip Kinkel was involved in a shooting about 12 or 13 years ago which stemmed from being messed with by peers and his parents since he was a child.
 
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#64
Yes there is... there's no CREDIBLE proof.

That's just ignorant beyond words, although the reltationship probably goes back to the college days of Obama, they did work together

Chicago Annenberg Challenge Shutdown? - Article - National Review Online

When Obama made his first run for political office, articles in both the Chicago Defender and the Hyde Park Herald featured among his qualifications his position as chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a foundation where Ayers was a founder and guiding force. Obama assumed the Annenberg board chairmanship only months before his first run for office, and almost certainly received the job at the behest of Bill Ayers. During Obama’s time as Annenberg board chairman, Ayers’s own education projects received substantial funding. Indeed, during its first year, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge struggled with significant concerns about possible conflicts of interest. With a writ to aid Chicago’s public schools, the Annenberg challenge played a deeply political role in Chicago’s education wars, and as Annenberg board chairman, Obama clearly aligned himself with Ayers’s radical views on education issues. With Obama heading up the board and Ayers heading up the other key operating body of the Annenberg Challenge, the two would necessarily have had a close working relationship for years (therefore “exchanging ideas on a regular basis”). So when Ayers and Dorhn hosted that kickoff for the first Obama campaign, it was not a random happenstance, but merely further evidence of a close and ongoing political partnership. Of course, all of this clearly contradicts Obama’s dismissal of the significance of his relationship with Ayers.





I studied the emergence of 60's/70's counterculture for a good while. Manson was an interesting figure to study, obviously. I'm also a bit of a music buff.

There is no punchline. Look up everything I said about him.

Then why did you say it was a joke??

I was there and part of it.

If you've ever seen one of those T-shsirts with the fist with the words below; "STRIKE NOW", I knew the guy whose fist that was and the artist who silkscreened the shirts.

A few people like Charlse Manson and William Ayers just HAD to screw things up and change the whole focus from love to hate.

I'll stick with my statement that Manson was no musician, recording a vanity album doesn't make one a musician in the circles in which I've traveled.









Bottom line is that YOU THINK he is a stupid jerk. At the end of the day, he's a very successful professor at a good university.

Undeservedly so, and only because academia is the last stand of the socialists.

Ayers should serve time in a federal prison for the crimes he bragged about committing in the NY Silmes newsrag.









Because Charles Manson was far more successful. He used psychoactive drugs and manipulation to drive his followers to madness.

Yes but they are in the same category and if you want to count numbers of deaths then Ayers was part of a larger group that led to such activities as the zebra killings which resulted in hundreds of deaths. The actions of the weathermen resulted in more deaths also.

If you think for one instant that Ayers wasn't into psychoactive drugs and mind manipulation then you really take the cake.

The major difference is that the Manson case was sensationalized by the media and most of Ayers' work was largely ignored.

Your list of petty differences between Ayers and Manson leaves much to be desired in an attempt of overcome the similarities.






You seem to blame him for your turds stinking. I figured you'd somehow use silly pictures and biased links to lump the two together.

YOU THINK he should be prosecuted.

So does the San Francisco Police Union.

So does an FBI special agent who heard Arers brag about the San Francisco bombinb that killed a policeman.

You're probably seeing so many turds because you have your head up your ass.












The two are related because they were both high school shootings. Kip Kinkel was involved in a shooting about 12 or 13 years ago which stemmed from being messed with by peers and his parents since he was a child.

I still fail to see what that has to do with this conversation other than obfuscation on your part unless you are trying to say the pilosophical residue of what manson and Ayers proposed resulted in more modern killing by modern day teenagers.
 
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#67
I voted 'luciferian fascist corporatist' but for those who voted muslim, here is some support;

(I have yet to see any real reasons for supporting a 'Christian' vote.)

According to the New York Slimes, Obamama can recite the islamic call to prayer in excellent Arabic accent.

Here is the adhan:

Allah is Most Great. Allah is Most Great.
Allah is Most Great. Allah is Most Great.
I bear witness that there is none worthy
of being worshipped except Allah.
I bear witness that there is none worthy
of being worshipped except Allah.
I bear witness that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah.
I bear witness that Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah.
Come to prayer. Come to prayer.
Come to Success. Come to Success.
Allah is Most Great. Allah is Most Great.
There is none worthy of being worshipped except Allah.

Throughout the world of islam, this is considered a profession of faith and submission to the law of islam.

The Turkish version:


Allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar.
Allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar.
Ash-hadu an la ilaha ill-Allah.
Ash-hadu an la ilaha ill-Allah.
Ash-hadu anna Muhammad-ar-Rasoolullah.
Ash-hadu anna Muhammad-ar-Rasoolullah.
Hayya 'alas-Salah. Hayya 'alas-Salah.
Hayya 'alal-falah. Hayya 'alal-falah.
Allahu Akbar. Allahu Akbar.
La ilaha ill-Allah.
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Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Abul Gheit on Nile-TV.

This is the statement recorded:

Adul Gheit said he had a one-on-one meeting with Obama, where the US President told him that He was still a Muslim, the son of a Muslim father, the step son of Muslim stepfather, that his half brothers in Kenya are Muslims, and that he was sympatetic towards the Muslim agenda.

Adul Gheit claimed Obama told the Arabs to show patience. Obama promised that once he overcame some domestic issues, like the Health care reform, he would show the Muslim World how to deal with Israel.
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To whom did Oambi make his first speech after being sworn to office???? It was via international Arabic language TV.
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Louis Farrakhan who teaches the most hateful version of islam known to man declared; "Obama is the hope of the world."


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Libyan Leader Mu’ammar Al-Qadhafi: "Obama is a muslim."

Gaddafi Insists Barack Obama Is A Muslim | Sweetness & Light
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In the run up to the election Obimama said in an interview with Stephanopoulis; "I want to compliment McLame for not bringing up my muslim faith."

Stephi corrected him by saying; "You mean your Christian faith?"

To which Barry replied; "Yeah that's right."

Question, why would Obama even mention it at all???

Why would Barry compliment Juan for not mentioning his Christian faith??

Why would Obama word it that way??? It's not like he said; "claims that I am a muslim but did say 'my muslim faith.'"

There is no shortage of evidence that goes beyond even the average so-called liberal elitist's anti-Christian viewpoint and rhetoric
 
#68
#68
According to the New York Slimes, Obamama can recite the islamic call to prayer in excellent Arabic accent.

I can sing the German national anthem so I guess that makes me a nazi. Crap
 
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#70
I can sing the German national anthem so I guess that makes me a nazi. Crap

Do tell, I wasn't aware the nazis still ran Germany!

BTW, one thing is a cinch, Barry doesn't know the American national anthem.

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ps, I'll bet you couldn't carry a tune in a bucket pj.

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#74
I can sing the German national anthem so I guess that makes me a nazi. Crap

What I said was that throughout the muslim world
repeating the shahada (especially in Arabic) is
considered a profession of one's islamic faith,
do you think Obama didn't understand that???

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BTW, the nazis and muslims were closely aligned
in WWII, one is about the same as the other.

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Why did Obama choose to speak, over the
objections of the German government, in front
of the Victory column personally ordered to
that particular site by Hitler himself?

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believe what you want but my singing voice is fine. That anthem does get a little high in parts for me though

So you are saying you do a great rendition of
all around the water tower but are a little
shaky on blue yodel number 4??




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Funny you post this... your spelling abilities are a joke.

Glad you can get a laugh.

I'll bet you just roll on the floor every time you
even think of Obama.


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