BeecherVol
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I didn't vote but he does ascribe to a group that claims to be Christian. For those concerned about his being a Muslim, you should be far more concerned about the teachings of the church and religious teachers he is associated with. I would rather him be a "moderate" Muslim than the kind of "Christian" he claims to be.
Sometimes you can't tell it's a apple tree til you see the fruit.
The operation came down from the highest reaches of
the NOI, making the NOI the bloodiest domestic terrorist
group in American history.
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We still do not know how many whites the Nation of Islam
murdered during the period of 1970-75, let alone how many
it has since murdered, not to mention how many copycat
black-on-white murders it may have inspired.
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The NAACP went to court to handcuff the police, and won.
It was supported by, among other groups, a racist, black-
dominated, counter-police organization called Officers for
Justice, whose president was an SFPD officer named Jesse
Byrd (spelled “Bird” in some accounts). Jesse Byrd was a
Black Muslim.
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Shortly thereafter, a car pulled up with four more NOI
assassins. (Howard’s description of the five suggested
they were from the Fruit of Islam, the NOI’s
palace guard, as the FOI were much more disciplined
than the Zebra killers.)
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We are talking here about a police officer who, based
on Coreris’ story, was guilty of conspiring to murder a
government witness, conspiring to obstruct justice, and
who was an accomplice after the fact in at least 15
murders, at least nine attempted murders, and various
and sundry other felonies.
I voted Christian because that is what he says he is. I am not his judge.
The skilful use of taqiyya and kitman was often a matter
of life and death against enemies; it is also a matter of
life and death to many contemporary Islamic terrorists.
As so often in the history of Islam, a theological doctrine
became operational.
During the Spanish inquisition, Sunni Moriscos attended
mass and returned home to wash their hands of the 'holy
water'. In operational terms, taqiyya and kitman allowed
the 'mujahadeen ' to assume whatever identity was
necessary to fulfill their mission; they had doctrinal and
theological and later jurisprudential sanction to pretend
to be Jews or Christians to gain access to Christian and
Jewish targets: 'the mujahadeen can take the shape of
the enemy'.
Taqiyya is common to both Shiite and Sunni Muslim
discourse and has significant implications for understanding
Islamic fundamentalism and terrorist operations. The theory
and practice of counter terrorism would be counter productive,
indeed pointless, and even harmful, without reference to
taqiyya and kitman and the crucial role of deception ranging
from Islamic jurisprudence to Al Qaeda training manuals,
which carry detailed instructions on the use of deception
by terrorists in Western target countries.
According to Christian ethics lying is a sin; In Islamic
jurisprudence and theology, the use of taqiyya
against the unbelievers is regarded as
a virtue and a religious duty.
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The 9/11 terrorists lived and visited in the United States
for two years before the 9/11 attacks. How did they
acculturate? By the use of taqiyya. Meaning: I hate
you but I smile at you-in public.
So you introduced William Ayers into the discussion.
How do you say that he is any different than
Charlie Manson??
You claim him to be intelligent, how so???
Ayers is at a bare minimum an accessory to murder.
Not only that he is arrogantly unrepentant.
Why do you think he should not be prosecuted
for his crimes?
You shall know a tree by it's fruit.
Ayers' teaching have indirectly led to such crimes
as the kidnap/rape/torture/mutilation/murder of
students at the University of Tennessee.
Do you also approve of that???
Correction, I made a joke about the silly propaganda spread by the McCain/Palin camp during the election. YOU made it a discussion point.
Charles Manson was a musician, Bill Ayers was not
When did I make that claim? Quit being stupid.
I don't think anyone should be prosecuted for murder when they didn't actually do it. If you think words that bring about murderous urges should be treated as murder, then we should jail the kids at Columbine for making fun of Kip Kinkle throughout his childhood, alon g with his parents.
See, it pisses me off when someone rationalizes anything by use of the word "indirectly." It's indirectly proving that you have no ground to stand on.
Post some pictures to prove that point, father time.
No propaganda about the fact that the political carreer of Barack Hussein Obama was launched in the house of William Ayers and that Obama was meant to replace a commie so dedicated that she attended a communist party summit in Moscow, USSR.
Is that your only difference?? Not much difference!!
First off Manson was NOT a musician.
He may have owned a guitar at one time.
Remember the guy I mentioned who was supposed to be at Sharon Tate's house the night of the murders??
He was known by many insiders as 'Mr Music Man' and was very instrumental in the carreers of artists from Aretha Franklin to the Beach Boys.
He put the Memphis Horns behind Aretha on her first recording, and renamed the Surfer Boys by telling them they should be the Beach Boys.
He promoted the first album of the Eagles by renting a stage coach from Universal Studios and recorded Iron Butterfly among many many other accomplishments.
Charlie Manson made it into his office to pitch some songs and the 'Fish' told him to go pawn the guitar, he couldn't play, he couldn't sing and he couldn't write a song!!!!
You didn't claim that William Ayers would get many more accolades for his intelligence and accomplishments??
I must have missed something.
BTW, it is you, not me, being stupid.
Charlie Manson will never get out of prison.
Charlie Manson, as far as we know never committed a murder himself, although he may have, his words though resulted did influence others to murder.
The words of William Ayers have resulted in far more many murders than Charlie Manson.
The fact that Williams Ayres was directly involved in building bombs that resulted it the murder of people in San Francisco, among other places, means that he should be indicted, brought to trial and prosecuted for what he did. He claimed responsibility for the bombing of the pentagon, ala Atta.
At the bare minimum he certainly doesn't deserve a respected position in academia.
Again, I no interest in what pisses you off.
You are the one with no ground on which to stand
There you go again, taking my words, arguing against the wrong point, and accusing me of idiocy when I call you out on it.
FTR, you made this a Bill Ayers discussion. Not I. This was the point I tried to make (forgetting that you have ADD even worse than I do).
Once again, I was making a joke. There are stark differences between the two.
Yes, he was technically a musician. (musician - definition of musician by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.)
He recorded an album, which lumps him in that category. (See 'LIE: The Love And Terror Cult.' It sucks, but there is one charming diddy on there entitled 'Look At Your Game Girl')
You take too many things seriously, it seems.
What does that have to do with you lying about me claiming to be intelligent? Are you high?
The only mention I made of Manson was that he was a musician. The whole Columbine analogy was in response to your point that Ayers is a murderer for influencing people to take lives.
So, I was talking about Bill Ayers. Not Charles Manson. Bill Ayers. Not Charles Manson.
I seriously want that bud you're smoking.
I'm sure the fact that Ayers hasn't been brought to trial for decades is Obama's fault. Ohhh, now I see why you make 'out there' accusations! It's fun!
A San Francisco police union has accused
domestic terrorist William Ayers, co-founder
of the Weather Underground, and his wife in
a 1970 bombing that killed one sergeant, the
San Francisco Chronicle reports.
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There are irrefutable and compelling reasons
to believe that Bill Ayers and his wife Bernardine
Dohrn are largely responsible for the bombing
of Park Police Station,
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The article mysteriously neglects to mention
that Ayers is the reputed thinker for Obama.
The Rasputin behind the throne. The man in
the neighborhood who baby sat the girls, who
helped with the book, who controlled the
spending of nonprofits who poured wasted
money into the meaninglessness, useless
leftwing causes that were to change the
inner-slums of Chicago into Utopian gardens.
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The San Francisco Police Officers Associations
leadership has been told to muzzle it after signing
a letter accusing onetime Weather Underground
radical Bill Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn,
of being behind the nearly 40-year-old bombing
at a San Francisco police station that killed a
sergeant.
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Police Officers Association President Gary Delagnes
confirmed that his union got a call from federal
investigators telling them they had an active
investigation and should not be commenting on
the case.
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But I dont think that Holder was too interested
in the case when he was with the Clinton
administration.
And now he has taken the position that an
investigation, even an allegation that was
voiced in front of the United States Congress,
is somehow forbidden. Because this is the
Obamas friend, and former neighbor.
Another, "No, you!" retort. God, you're so magnificently handicapped. It's really astounding.
Also, you never responded to my Columbine analogy. Where's the angry mob going after the peers who made fun of Kip Kinkle?
There is no getting around the point that
Barrack Hussein Obama and William Ayers
have had a close working relationship that
goes back for decades.
What's the punch line???
You seem to know quite a bit about Manson.
Is he another one of your heros??
I was referring to your claim that William Ayers
supposedly had some sort of superior intellect.
Bottom line is that he is a stupid jerk.
And again my question, "what's the difference between
Charles Manson suggesting to people they should commit
violent acts and William Ayers doing the same??"
You need to lay down your crack pipe and back away,
looks like you've smoked way too much bud already.
Where did I blame Obama?
It doesn't matter who has been at fault, what matters
is that Ayers should be prosecuted.
I missed the whole Columbine thingie and who the
heck is Kip Kinkle??
Yes there is... there's no CREDIBLE proof.
When Obama made his first run for political office, articles in both the Chicago Defender and the Hyde Park Herald featured among his qualifications his position as chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a foundation where Ayers was a founder and guiding force. Obama assumed the Annenberg board chairmanship only months before his first run for office, and almost certainly received the job at the behest of Bill Ayers. During Obamas time as Annenberg board chairman, Ayerss own education projects received substantial funding. Indeed, during its first year, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge struggled with significant concerns about possible conflicts of interest. With a writ to aid Chicagos public schools, the Annenberg challenge played a deeply political role in Chicagos education wars, and as Annenberg board chairman, Obama clearly aligned himself with Ayerss radical views on education issues. With Obama heading up the board and Ayers heading up the other key operating body of the Annenberg Challenge, the two would necessarily have had a close working relationship for years (therefore exchanging ideas on a regular basis). So when Ayers and Dorhn hosted that kickoff for the first Obama campaign, it was not a random happenstance, but merely further evidence of a close and ongoing political partnership. Of course, all of this clearly contradicts Obamas dismissal of the significance of his relationship with Ayers.
I studied the emergence of 60's/70's counterculture for a good while. Manson was an interesting figure to study, obviously. I'm also a bit of a music buff.
There is no punchline. Look up everything I said about him.
Bottom line is that YOU THINK he is a stupid jerk. At the end of the day, he's a very successful professor at a good university.
Because Charles Manson was far more successful. He used psychoactive drugs and manipulation to drive his followers to madness.
You seem to blame him for your turds stinking. I figured you'd somehow use silly pictures and biased links to lump the two together.
YOU THINK he should be prosecuted.
The two are related because they were both high school shootings. Kip Kinkel was involved in a shooting about 12 or 13 years ago which stemmed from being messed with by peers and his parents since he was a child.
I can sing the German national anthem so I guess that makes me a nazi. Crap
believe what you want but my singing voice is fine. That anthem does get a little high in parts for me though
Funny you post this... your spelling abilities are a joke.