Quick blind resumes

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zansdad

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Team A
19-11 (11-7)
RPI: 55
SOS: 41
OOC SOS: 42
Conf. SOS: 84
Last 10: 8-2
W/L 1-50: 4-4
W/L 51-100: 5-5
W/L 101-200: 3-2
W/L 201+: 7-0

Team B
21-10 (9-9)
RPI: 49
SOS: 29
OOC SOS: 181
Conf. SOS: 17
Last 10: 4-6
W/L 1-50: 4-8
W/L 51-100: 4-2
W/L 101-200: 7-0
W/L 200+: 6-0


Here's a little exercise. These two resumes look very similar to me and yet most bracket people have one of them safely in the tourney as an 8-9 seed and the other teetering between last 4 in and first 4 out.

Try a little blind resume challenge yourself and see which team you think deserves to be in. And then ask yourself, does that resume really look like it is 3 to 4 seed lines better than the other one.

It just goes to show how much perception plays a part in bracketology.
 
#2
#2
Team 1 looks like UT and Team 2 looks like a Big 10/Big East team...Those two conferences get a lot of love, just like the SEC does in football. With the combination of OOC schedule and top 100 RPI record...I would have team A in over team B...

Great exercise...
 
#3
#3
I'm taking Team A all day.

Obviously we are Team A.

Team B is Kentucky isn't it?

Edit: Nope, not Kentucky. Their conference record is better than 9-9. Minnesota?

Double edit: It's not Minnesota either. My next guess was Illinois, which is also wrong. I clearly suck at this.
 
#4
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utfan72408 said:
I'm taking Team A all day.

Obviously we are Team A.

Team B is Kentucky isn't it?

Edit: Nope, not Kentucky. Their conference record is better than 9-9. Minnesota?
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Team B looks like Cincinnati to me, which would go with what gardners was saying about conference love. Tennessee is hurt a bit by the SEC's showing this season.
 
#5
#5
It's now minnisota or Illinois?? I got nothing.

Edit: Cinci seems about right

Lack of bad loss seems to give them the edge
 
#9
#9
Look at Cincy's schedule. They don't have any bad losses on it. Providence and St. Johns are as bad as it gets for them.

I still think if UT doesn't blow it on Thurs they're in.
 
#10
#10
Blindly, I would take Team B over Team A although I know that Team A is us. The question of why Team B is solidly in and Team A is on the bubble has more to do with how many teams are in between than how far apart the 2 really are.
 
#11
#11
1 less loss and dropped those two to Georgia. I guess playing in a tough conference outweighs the cupcakes you schedule out of conference.
 
#12
#12
Yes, team B is Cincy. I find it interesting that their numbers are fairly close to UT's yet they are considered firmly in the field and UT is not. I understand Cincy has no bad losses but I don't see how that one variable can make a 12-16 spot difference on the s-curve ( and UT's "bad losses" aren't really that bad) Especially when there are other things in UT's favor, namely OOC SOS and record vs top 50.

Want it shows me is that if a team starts strong and fades, there is a bias towards moving them down the s-curve. The same bias seems to work against a team trying to get into the field.
 
#13
#13
Fwiw I have seen Cincy listed as bubble by some...they're not in that last 4 in, but the 4 above that. I think with a loss in their BET game they may be out honestly.
 
#14
#14
How about this one?

TEAM A
Record: 22-9
Conference: 11-7
RPI: 32
SOS: 47
OOC SOS: 83
RPI 1-50: 3-3
RPI 51-100: 6-5
True Road: 2-8
Neutral: 3-1
Last 12: 7-5


TEAM B
Record: 19-11
Conference: 11-7
RPI: 54
SOS: 38
OOC SOS: 42
RPI 1-50: 4-4
RPI 51-100: 5-5
True Road: 4-7
Neutral: 2-1
Last 12: 9-3


Scary how similar these are. Team A is easily in according to everyone, yet Team B is on the bubble. Also, Team B beat Team A head to head. Is Team A really that much better than Team B?
 
#15
#15
Missouri...wow that's a really good one honestly. What do they have on us, total wins?

The don't have any bad losses so that does help too.
 
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VolGee4 said:
How about this one?

TEAM A
Record: 22-9
Conference: 11-7
RPI: 32
SOS: 47
OOC SOS: 83
RPI 1-50: 3-3
RPI 51-100: 6-5
True Road: 2-8
Neutral: 3-1
Last 12: 7-5


TEAM B
Record: 19-11
Conference: 11-7
RPI: 54
SOS: 38
OOC SOS: 42
RPI 1-50: 4-4
RPI 51-100: 5-5
True Road: 4-7
Neutral: 2-1
Last 12: 9-3


Scary how similar these are. Team A is easily in according to everyone, yet Team B is on the bubble. Also, Team B beat Team A head to head. Is Team A really that much better than Team B?
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Definitely a good example. Mizzou's road record is horrid. But going into the season everyone had them in, they played well early on and it seems bracketologist are reluctant to move them down.
 
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zansdad said:
Definitely a good example. Mizzou's road record is horrid. But going into the season everyone had them in, they played well early on and it seems bracketologist are reluctant to move them down.
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That is an interesting point about being reluctant to move a team out after playing well early. I think there is a bias there. I like it.
 
#20
#20
We have 9 wins against the RPI Top 100. Starting from us at 54 and counting down, Wisconsin is the next school (besides UConn who can't go) at 43 with the same or better number than that (and they have 9). Then, it is sporadic from there.

We need to win at least our first game in the SECT, but it will be a tragedy with 9 Top 100 wins and a Top 40 SOS if we get left out.
 
#21
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VolGee4 said:
That is an interesting point about being reluctant to move a team out after playing well early. I think there is a bias there. I like it.
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You see the same thing in the polls for both basketball and football. Team A and Team B play. Team A is ranked very high, Team B is not ranked or ranked much lower and they have the same or very similar win-loss records. Team B beats the crap out of Team A and yet when the polls come out the next week Team A is still ahead of Team B.
 
#22
#22
The NCAA committee should view them like this -- with no name...then the Kentuckys of the world wouldn't get in on their name alone!
 
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