Quick blind resumes

#26
#26
NO CHEATING

Team A

20-11(11-7)
RPI: 54
SOS: 39
OOC SOS: 43
Good wins: 4
Bad losses: 2
W/L 1-50: 4-4
W/L 51-100: 5-5
W/L 101-200: 3-2
W/L 200+: 8-0
Last 10: 9-1


Team B
20-11(12-6)
RPI: 53
SOS: 32
OOC SOS: 55
Good wins: 3
Bad Losses: 1
W/L 1-50: 3-5
W/L 51-100: 3-5
W/L 101-200: 10-1
W/L 200+: 4-0
Last 10: 7-3
 
#29
#29
bleedingTNorange said:
I would probably agree...however one is supposedly a 9 seed and a lock and the other is the last team in???
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I will say that coming out of the mock selection things that they do now, some reporters have been bringing interesting tidbits to light. One of the things that sticks out is that blind resumes don't tell the whole story. For example, 2 teams with, as and example, 5 top 50 wins are not necessarily even in the committee's eyes. 1 team may have all 5 wins against top 10 teams and the other may all be against teams hovering in the 40's. They take that stuff into account.

Having said that, I wish the Nitty-Gritty reports did a better job of breaking that stuff out. If the committee is looking at it in that fashion, then you would think someone would go ahead and compile it that way.

Also, I would have said flip a coin they look that close. I think Team B is Cal (had to cheat and look it up after deciding the resumes look very similar) and Seed Madness actually has them as first team out. TIFWIW
 
#30
#30
zansdad said:
I will say that coming out of the mock selection things that they do now, some reporters have been bringing interesting tidbits to light. One of the things that sticks out is that blind resumes don't tell the whole story. For example, 2 teams with, as and example, 5 top 50 wins are not necessarily even in the committee's eyes. 1 team may have all 5 wins against top 10 teams and the other may all be against teams hovering in the 40's. They take that stuff into account.

Having said that, I wish the Nitty-Gritty reports did a better job of breaking that stuff out. If the committee is looking at it in that fashion, then you would think someone would go ahead and compile it that way.

Also, I would have said flip a coin they look that close. I think Team B is Cal (had to cheat and look it up after deciding the resumes look very similar) and Seed Madness actually has them as first team out. TIFWIW
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About the only thing I've come up with is that most bracketologist's algorithms must figure heavily on BPI, Sagarin and KenPom ratings.
We rank lower than most of these teams with similar resumes on all of these systems.
 
#31
#31
zansdad said:
Team A
19-11 (11-7)
RPI: 55
SOS: 41
OOC SOS: 42
Conf. SOS: 84
Last 10: 8-2
W/L 1-50: 4-4
W/L 51-100: 5-5
W/L 101-200: 3-2
W/L 201+: 7-0

Team B
21-10 (9-9)
RPI: 49
SOS: 29
OOC SOS: 181
Conf. SOS: 17
Last 10: 4-6
W/L 1-50: 4-8
W/L 51-100: 4-2
W/L 101-200: 7-0
W/L 200+: 6-0


Here's a little exercise. These two resumes look very similar to me and yet most bracket people have one of them safely in the tourney as an 8-9 seed and the other teetering between last 4 in and first 4 out.

Try a little blind resume challenge yourself and see which team you think deserves to be in. And then ask yourself, does that resume really look like it is 3 to 4 seed lines better than the other one.

It just goes to show how much perception plays a part in bracketology.
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Team B. Tougher SOS, better record, no losses vs. 100+ teams, almost identical records vs. top 100 teams between Team A and Team B.
 
#32
#32
bleedingTNorange said:
NO CHEATING

Team A

20-11(11-7)
RPI: 54
SOS: 39
OOC SOS: 43
Good wins: 4
Bad losses: 2
W/L 1-50: 4-4
W/L 51-100: 5-5
W/L 101-200: 3-2
W/L 200+: 8-0
Last 10: 9-1


Team B
20-11(12-6)
RPI: 53
SOS: 32
OOC SOS: 55
Good wins: 3
Bad Losses: 1
W/L 1-50: 3-5
W/L 51-100: 3-5
W/L 101-200: 10-1
W/L 200+: 4-0
Last 10: 7-3
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Team A. Way better record vs. top teams.
 
#33
#33
24-8 (12-4), RPI: 36, SOS: 76

Would you say this team is a tournament team or not? I swear, this year it seems like the "experts" are just making this **** up as they go along haha.
 
#34
#34
zansdad said:
I will say that coming out of the mock selection things that they do now, some reporters have been bringing interesting tidbits to light. One of the things that sticks out is that blind resumes don't tell the whole story. For example, 2 teams with, as and example, 5 top 50 wins are not necessarily even in the committee's eyes. 1 team may have all 5 wins against top 10 teams and the other may all be against teams hovering in the 40's. They take that stuff into account.

Having said that, I wish the Nitty-Gritty reports did a better job of breaking that stuff out. If the committee is looking at it in that fashion, then you would think someone would go ahead and compile it that way.

Also, I would have said flip a coin they look that close. I think Team B is Cal (had to cheat and look it up after deciding the resumes look very similar) and Seed Madness actually has them as first team out. TIFWIW
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Great post Zans. That media mock bracket they did was very telling, and lure right that's something they said, they do look deeper than just 1-50 win or +100 losses say. I'm too lazy but curious what cal and Tennessee's top 50 wins each were.

If they're moved to first out, or even last group in I'd agree with it...just was going by matrix and Lunardi and even palm all seem to have them in solidly.
 
#35
#35
volgrad500 said:
24-8 (12-4), RPI: 36, SOS: 76

Would you say this team is a tournament team or not? I swear, this year it seems like the "experts" are just making this **** up as they go along haha.
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Gotta give a little more info, but since I know the team and know their record vs. top 100, not a chance.
 
#36
#36
bleedingTNorange said:
Great post Zans. That media mock bracket they did was very telling, and lure right that's something they said, they do look deeper than just 1-50 win or +100 losses say. I'm too lazy but curious what cal and Tennessee's top 50 wins each were.

If they're moved to first out, or even last group in I'd agree with it...just was going by matrix and Lunardi and even palm all seem to have them in solidly.
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The media only did the first 2 seed lines though, didn't they?
 
#37
#37
MemphisCanes said:
Gotta give a little more info, but since I know the team and know their record vs. top 100, not a chance.
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Haha yea seeing you're a Tiger guy I guess you would know them. But honestly, I don't think it's fair to penalize teams for their conference. Southern Miss has pretty much beaten who they could. Top 40 RPI, finish 2nd in conference, and you're not even on the bubble?
 
#40
#40
volgrad500 said:
Haha yea seeing you're a Tiger guy I guess you would know them. But honestly, I don't think it's fair to penalize teams for their conference. Southern Miss has pretty much beaten who they could. Top 40 RPI, finish 2nd in conference, and you're not even on the bubble?
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They're not being penalized for their conference they're being penalized for not beating anybody.
 
#43
#43
volgrad500 said:
Haha yea seeing you're a Tiger guy I guess you would know them. But honestly, I don't think it's fair to penalize teams for their conference. Southern Miss has pretty much beaten who they could. Top 40 RPI, finish 2nd in conference, and you're not even on the bubble?
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Unofrtunate, because Memphis suffers from the same sort of dilemma some seasons. But USM has zero wins vs. top 50 teams, and not many vs top 100 teams. They've had shots at them too. And frankly, from seeing them play twice, USM isn't a tourney level team.
 
#47
#47
bleedingTNorange said:
They're not being penalized for their conference they're being penalized for not beating anybody.
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I don't entirely disagree, but with a RPI of 36, they've beaten somebody. (I don't think they deserve in either, btw) I just think that the selection this year is going to be more of a surprise than normal. MTSU, USM, Ole Miss...all of these teams, on paper, are going to present some issues to the committee. It's why I hope to GOD we just win today and remove all doubt.
 
#48
#48
Southern Miss's resume actually looks a lot better today than it did yesterday. 0-4 vs top 50, but now 4-2 vs. 51-100. ECU/UTEP must've snuck back into the top 100 or something.

When you hold them up to some other bubble teams, Kentucky being the one I'm looking at, that record actually doesn't look so bad.
 
#49
#49
volgrad500 said:
I don't entirely disagree, but with a RPI of 36, they've beaten somebody. (I don't think they deserve in either, btw) I just think that the selection this year is going to be more of a surprise than normal. MTSU, USM, Ole Miss...all of these teams, on paper, are going to present some issues to the committee. It's why I hope to GOD we just win today and remove all doubt.
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I think we'll see the first top 30 RPI team of the 68 team conference era get shafted this year. MTSU may get left out in the cold.

EDIT: and as I check today, MTSU's RPI has slipped to 32. Not good for the blue raiders.
 
#50
#50
MemphisCanes said:
I think we'll see the first top 30 RPI team of the 68 team conference era get shafted this year. MTSU may get left out in the cold.

EDIT: and as I check today, MTSU's RPI has slipped to 32. Not good for the blue raiders.
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I think that's a great point. Somebody that has normally had a "lock-type" number, such as a top 30 RPI, is going to be left out.
To me, the best thing we have is the "last 12" stat. Other than that, there is probably 10 teams that are right there with us.
I think we really need to win today.
 
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