Quinn: Chances of a Tennessee NCAA bid can't be overlooked

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This team is better than most of the teams who will make the NIT, but the NIT can only pick so many teams... And, teams are selected based upon their resumes, and not their potential. For that reason, I think Tennessee needs a respectable finish (2-2 and one win in the SECT may be sufficient) to get into the NIT.
 
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GatorsGators said:
This team is better than most of the teams who will make the NIT, but the NIT can only pick so many teams... And, teams are selected based upon their resumes, and not their potential. For that reason, I think Tennessee needs a respectable finish (2-2 and one win in the SECT may be sufficient) to get into the NIT.
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Actually about 2 years ago when the NIT paired with espn they changed the criteria. They have made it known that actually their number 1 measuring tool is your draw. They are bringing in teams that will sell tickets and who's fans will travel over teams with a better resume. This is why they did away with requiring teams to have above a .500 record to get in, you can now get in as a losing team. As I said, their main criteria now I selling tickets and drawing a tv audience. With that said though if Tennessee can't finish atleast 2-2 that will be some what of a disappointment IMO.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
The rpi is a fact not opinion, but nice try.

You win the last 4, and then 2 or 3 and your rpi is plenty high enough.
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Actually, if Tennessee were to finish 19-14, their RPI would be 58. That's not bad, but it's not good. Also, while the NCAA uses the RPI to select teams, it's not like it's a rule that teams with an RPI better than 50 have to be selected.
 
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GatorsGators said:
Actually, if Tennessee were to finish 19-14, their RPI would be 58. That's not bad, but it's not good. Also, while the NCAA uses the RPI to select teams, it's not like it's a rule that teams with an RPI better than 50 have to be selected.
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No you're correct it's not a rule, But it shows they'd atleast be a bubble team which is what I was inferring in my reply to the OP.

He was trying to say after the bama loss that there was basically zero chance this team could get an at large and that's just not true. It'll be difficult but it definitely is a possibility.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Actually about 2 years ago when the NIT paired with espn they changed the criteria. They have made it known that actually their number 1 measuring tool is your draw. They are bringing in teams that will sell tickets and who's fans will travel over teams with a better resume. This is why they did away with requiring teams to have above a .500 record to get in, you can now get in as a losing team. As I said, their main criteria now I selling tickets and drawing a tv audience. With that said though if Tennessee can't finish atleast 2-2 that will be some what of a disappointment IMO.
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Do you have a link? I believe you, but I'd just like to see exactly what they say their criteria is.

Even if they do pick based on potential TV ratings/ticket sales, they only have so many slots to give. The NIT does have automatic bids (teams who won their conference regular season but not conference tourney), and it is half the size of the NCAA tournament. Teams who just missed out on the tournament will get first at-large dibs, and Tennessee isn't in that group right now. So, while the NIT is a large possibility this year, I wouldn't call it a certainty by any stretch of the imagination.
 
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GatorsGators said:
Do you have a link? I believe you, but I'd just like to see exactly what they say their criteria is.

Even if they do pick based on potential TV ratings/ticket sales, they only have so many slots to give. The NIT does have automatic bids (teams who won their conference regular season but not conference tourney), and it is half the size of the NCAA tournament. Teams who just missed out on the tournament will get first at-large dibs, and Tennessee isn't in that group right now. So, while the NIT is a large possibility this year, I wouldn't call it a certainty by any stretch of the imagination.
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I can't remember where I read it but it was a few years ago now, you can google it and probably find something. They get 32 teams in. The majority if your conference winners win the tournament, maybe 4 or 5 small schools don't,and then maybe 4 or 5 bug conferences don't, so that's 10 teams that get in via conference winners, and I'd say that's a bit high. That leaves you 22 teams, if you don't think Tennessee would be one of the 22 best teams left out of the NCAA tournament or one of the 22 best at selling tickets then you are in denial.

Little side note, former ut coach don devoe is on the selection committee for nit, can't hurt I guess.

Edit: most years except last there have usually been 5-8 auto qualifiers, so thatd make it 24-27 teams that get at large bid. Once again if you don't think UT would be a top 30 team/ticket seller you're crazy. Now if they go 0-4 ok, but finishing 2-2 which honestly should be a minimum and they'd be in.

Also statsheet currently projects Tennessee at 14-13 in the NIT as a 7 seed

TIFWIW
 
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GatorsGators said:
Do you have a link? I believe you, but I'd just like to see exactly what they say their criteria is.

Even if they do pick based on potential TV ratings/ticket sales, they only have so many slots to give. The NIT does have automatic bids (teams who won their conference regular season but not conference tourney), and it is half the size of the NCAA tournament. Teams who just missed out on the tournament will get first at-large dibs, and Tennessee isn't in that group right now. So, while the NIT is a large possibility this year, I wouldn't call it a certainty by any stretch of the imagination.
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This is not the link you're looking for but fits the discussion,
At least 5 SEC teams will make the NCAA basketball tourney, Calipari and Martin predict » GoVolsXtra

One of TNs biggest resume builders for the NIT is their fanbase and the ability to fill an arena with spectators.

I can give a link on that.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I can't remember where I read it but it was a few years ago now, you can google it and probably find something. They get 32 teams in. The majority if your conference winners win the tournament, maybe 4 or 5 small schools don't,and then maybe 4 or 5 bug conferences don't, so that's 10 teams that get in via conference winners, and I'd say that's a bit high. That leaves you 22 teams, if you don't think Tennessee would be one of the 22 best teams left out of the NCAA tournament or one of the 22 best at selling tickets then you are in denial.

Little side note, former ut coach don devoe is on the selection committee for nit, can't hurt I guess.

Edit: most years except last there have usually been 5-8 auto qualifiers, so thatd make it 24-27 teams that get at large bid. Once again if you don't think UT would be a top 30 team/ticket seller you're crazy. Now if they go 0-4 ok, but finishing 2-2 which honestly should be a minimum and they'd be in.

Also statsheet currently projects Tennessee at 14-13 in the NIT as a 7 seed

TIFWIW
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Is Tennessee one of the 22 best teams that won't (probably) make the tournament? Yes. Has Tennessee had one of the best 22 seasons out of teams that won't (probably) make the tournament? That's what I'm uncertain of. And, since there are only eight seeds in the NIT (and those 8 seeds almost ALWAYS go to small conference schools) that seven seed on statsheet kind of proves my point that the NIT is a large possibility, but it's not a certainty.
 
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GatorsGators said:
Thanks for the link.
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I would agree with your point. A good possibility but not a certainty.
Maryland last year 19-15 didn't get invited.
But there's still a lot of politics in the selection process where the fan base and facilities would be considered.
 
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GatorsGators said:
Is Tennessee one of the 22 best teams that won't (probably) make the tournament? Yes. Has Tennessee had one of the best 22 seasons out of teams that won't (probably) make the tournament? That's what I'm uncertain of. And, since there are only eight seeds in the NIT (and those 8 seeds almost ALWAYS go to small conference schools) that seven seed on statsheet kind of proves my point that the NIT is a large possibility, but it's not a certainty.
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But that's my point, you don't have to be a top 22 team to get the invite, they're more concerned now that your a top 22 draw. If it. comes down to us and a few small schools we would get the nod no questions asked. Even against many bigger schools, don't forget Tennessee is a top 5 attendance for the last 6 years now I believe, that means cha Ching to the NIT.

This discussion is pretty much pointless anyway ecause I honestly see NO WAY this team doesn't win atleast 2 more games, which if they do will be NIT bound no doubt.

Jmho
 
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Witch Doctor say probably NIT which is good. Witch Doctor say its crazy but its only been 11 mths(March 21) when BP was fired...
BNL
 
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GatorsGators said:
Actually, if Tennessee were to finish 19-14, their RPI would be 58. That's not bad, but it's not good. Also, while the NCAA uses the RPI to select teams, it's not like it's a rule that teams with an RPI better than 50 have to be selected.
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Bingo.
 
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GatorsGators said:
Actually, if Tennessee were to finish 19-14, their RPI would be 58. That's not bad, but it's not good. Also, while the NCAA uses the RPI to select teams, it's not like it's a rule that teams with an RPI better than 50 have to be selected.
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There is no such thing as a fact based on numbers that depend on games that have yet to be played by multiple teams.
 
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I would feel like it's time to just accept the NIT. There's a chance, a really really small chance, we can make the dance. However, I just plan to upset the haters and get top 6 in the SEC and laugh at those who had us at 11-12.


That's what a successful season means to me at this point.
 
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VolThis said:
I would feel like it's time to just accept the NIT. There's a chance, a really really small chance, we can make the dance. However, I just plan to upset the haters and get top 6 in the SEC and laugh at those who had us at 11-12.


That's what a successful season means to me at this point.
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agree 100%, but im still gonna hold out hope for a late run and a trip to the dance.

i will in no way be dissapointed though if we miss the tournament and make the NIT. we were projected as you said 11th and not to even make the NIT, so accomplishing both of those would be a great accomplishment imo.
 
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GatorsGators said:
Actually, if Tennessee were to finish 19-14, their RPI would be 58. That's not bad, but it's not good. Also, while the NCAA uses the RPI to select teams, it's not like it's a rule that teams with an RPI better than 50 have to be selected.
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There is some discussion on the internet about the committee and its use of the RPI. I recommend everyone that likes to debate who is in and who is out to put Google to work. The NCAA selection committee is more of a beauty contest that it is a scientific endevour. The way they vote and handle who gets in, really has little to do with RPI until they get to seeding and such. I personally think they put in who they want to put in, then pick some criteria they like, to defend their choices. Some years it's body of work, some years it's wins vs tourny teams, some years it's RPI, some years blah, blah, blah. So UT needs to just win the next 6 or 7 and see if they catch the committee's attention. If they do, the committee will put them in and find some way to justify it. Getting their RPI into the low 50's would just make it easier for the committee to justify it.
 
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Calculon said:
There is no such thing as a fact based on numbers that depend on games that have yet to be played by multiple teams.
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Okay, it's a fact that a reasonable mathamatical formula projects the RPI to be 58 should they finish 19-14.
 
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