Quinn Ewers to enroll early in a few days and forego senior season... Wow..Just wow!!!!!

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RDU VOL#14 said:
Tony Grimes did this last year for UNC at corner . I’ve seen some basketball players re-classify as well. I don’t think this is that big of a deal.
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A big deal in terms of a player enrolling earlier? Yes, I agree with you-no big deal.

A player enrolling early strictly for the $$$ and being upfront about it? That my friend is a sea change.

The big question is going to be what ends up ultimately happening with Ewers. Ohio State has a couple of other QBs who are no pushovers. Should Ewers gets buried on the bench, transfer to a smaller school in a few years to get playing time, and is never heard from again like so many others and this becomes a fascinating case study.
 
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stolitonic said:
A big deal in terms of a player enrolling earlier? Yes, I agree with you-no big deal.

A player enrolling early strictly for the $$$ and being upfront about it? That my friend is a sea change.

The big question is going to be what ends up ultimately happening with Ewers. Ohio State has a couple of other QBs who are no pushovers. Should Ewers gets buried on the bench, transfer to a smaller school in a few years to get playing time, and is never heard from again like so many others and this becomes a fascinating case study.
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I agree it’s gonna be an interesting study, much like the transfer portal. Certain things become trendy and then all of a sudden the portal is filled with kids who have zero option and should’ve just stuck it out where they were. Definitely not a boring time to be a college football and basketball fan.
 
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stolitonic said:
A big deal in terms of a player enrolling earlier? Yes, I agree with you-no big deal.

A player enrolling early strictly for the $$$ and being upfront about it? That my friend is a sea change.

The big question is going to be what ends up ultimately happening with Ewers. Ohio State has a couple of other QBs who are no pushovers. Should Ewers gets buried on the bench, transfer to a smaller school in a few years to get playing time, and is never heard from again like so many others and this becomes a fascinating case study.
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It's like the Wild West at the moment, but as NIL and the transfer portal get a "track record" I think players will use them smarter.

What I think a lot of kids don't understand is that you become a marketable athlete because you are good. Many of these guys think that they can create a social media presence that is independent of their play or visibility. If you commit based purely on NIL opportunities and not what maximizes your chance of being a great player, your odds of being buried on the depth chart, playing poorly, etc. go down. If you're buried on the depth chart, guess what, you aren't very marketable.

Same deal with the transfer portal. A very, very small percentage of the players who enter end up on another team in a better position. I think as time goes on, there will be a number of cautionary tales that will make some players rethink their approach.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Tony Grimes did this last year for UNC at corner . I’ve seen some basketball players re-classify as well. I don’t think this is that big of a deal.
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Hell John David Booty did it almost 20 years ago when he graduated high school after just three years and enrolled at USC.
 
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stolitonic said:
A big deal in terms of a player enrolling earlier? Yes, I agree with you-no big deal.

A player enrolling early strictly for the $$$ and being upfront about it? That my friend is a sea change.

The big question is going to be what ends up ultimately happening with Ewers. Ohio State has a couple of other QBs who are no pushovers. Should Ewers gets buried on the bench, transfer to a smaller school in a few years to get playing time, and is never heard from again like so many others and this becomes a fascinating case study.
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Ewers might be another Burrow or Fields who gets stuck then transfers and balls out.

I'll be interested to see how these NIL deals are structured. I don't know the ins and outs of endorsements but I can't see offering "guaranteed big money" contracts to guys who've never even taken the field in college. However, I was peripherally involved with a couple of "dot com" companies and people handed over lots of dollars for "good ideas for a company" which were little more than websites.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Ewers might be another Burrow or Fields who gets stuck then transfers and balls out.

I'll be interested to see how these NIL deals are structured. I don't know the ins and outs of endorsements but I can't see offering "guaranteed big money" contracts to guys who've never even taken the field in college. However, I was peripherally involved with a couple of "dot com" companies and people handed over lots of dollars for "good ideas for a company" which were little more than websites.
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It’s similar to when free agency hit the NFL. Salary cap wasn’t expected to kick in until a certain level of spending has been triggered. Backup QBs and LTs were getting superstar money to stay or jump, so it took about two weeks! The market tempered spending more than the salary cap. You eventually learned Cody Carlson and Don Maggs were easily duplicated. Someone else on the board issued a line referring to boosters as those who know how NOT to waste money…it’s true. Mark Cuban used to pay retired players huge bucks to unretire just for the roster spot. He doesn’t do that anymore…and he’s a billionaire and wants to stay that way.
 
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golfballs said:
I think you’re being a bit over dramatic. People’s concerns over NIL aren’t related to how much Mark Emmert makes
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Then those people’s concerns are selfish and myopic

I’m fully aware the NIL could make college sports less enjoyable for me.

And I’m ok with this outcome. Because I believe it’s now more fair for the humans that make the game possible in the first place.
 
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05_never_again said:
It's like the Wild West at the moment, but as NIL and the transfer portal get a "track record" I think players will use them smarter.

What I think a lot of kids don't understand is that you become a marketable athlete because you are good. Many of these guys think that they can create a social media presence that is independent of their play or visibility. If you commit based purely on NIL opportunities and not what maximizes your chance of being a great player, your odds of being buried on the depth chart, playing poorly, etc. go down. If you're buried on the depth chart, guess what, you aren't very marketable.

Same deal with the transfer portal. A very, very small percentage of the players who enter end up on another team in a better position. I think as time goes on, there will be a number of cautionary tales that will make some players rethink their approach.
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I agree. As I said earlier though, Ewers and what happens to him ultimately could influence the "next guy". If Ewers bombs and disappears from the radar then maybe the next guy in his situation thinks twice. If he becomes the Buckeye equivalent of PFM, then the next guy will jump right in.

Gonna be a fascinating case study for somebody in the end.

To the other poster who stated that he could transfer and become the next Burrow or Fields, yes that could certainly happen. Both of those I view as special cases though.

Burrow stepped into a perfect situation at LSU at the perfect time. With Joe Brady not coming to LSU for a year who really knows how 2019 goes for the Tigers and Burrow? Face it, Burrow in 2018 (without Brady) was maybe a bit above average, but he certainly wasn't setting the world on fire.

Fields, once again a special case but maybe the closest thing to Ewers. Top high school recruit in the country-or 1A after Trevor Lawrence depending on who you talked to. Kirby tried to stash him for 2 years until Fromm left. Fields had other ideals and bolted. I personally don't care for him after that little racial stunt he leveraged to get immediate eligibility with the suckeyes and hope he bombs with Da Bears.
 
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stolitonic said:
I agree. As I said earlier though, Ewers and what happens to him ultimately could influence the "next guy". If Ewers bombs and disappears from the radar then maybe the next guy in his situation thinks twice. If he becomes the Buckeye equivalent of PFM, then the next guy will jump right in.

Gonna be a fascinating case study for somebody in the end.

To the other poster who stated that he could transfer and become the next Burrow or Fields, yes that could certainly happen. Both of those I view as special cases though.

Burrow stepped into a perfect situation at LSU at the perfect time. With Joe Brady not coming to LSU for a year who really knows how 2019 goes for the Tigers and Burrow? Face it, Burrow in 2018 (without Brady) was maybe a bit above average, but he certainly wasn't setting the world on fire.

Fields, once again a special case but maybe the closest thing to Ewers. Top high school recruit in the country-or 1A after Trevor Lawrence depending on who you talked to. Kirby tried to stash him for 2 years until Fromm left. Fields had other ideals and bolted. I personally don't care for him after that little racial stunt he leveraged to get immediate eligibility with the suckeyes and hope he bombs with Da Bears.
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For every Burrow or Fields, there are 10 Keller Chrysts. It'll take a little bit for kids to figure this out, but they will.
 
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golfballs said:
Why is it ironic? If there were a minor league that he could go straight into I don’t think anyone would care. Now that the NBA has started one, I don’t hear outcry from conservatives about the kids who go out and make money that way. The free market would say that based on the revenue opportunities that relies on college-aged athletes, competition for their services would be easy by just offering pay. Has the NCAA colluded in some way to stifle that competition? Not that I know of. The NFL could easily make that happen. But the NFL has anti-trust protection from congress. So the NCAA is compelled to change due to government interference in the market. That is inherently anti-capitalistic, which then makes this stance totally appropriate for a conservative.
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It feels like you are trying to say the NCAA is not a monopoly and that government interference has prevented competition

While simultaneously not acknowledging that the majority of NCAA members are public universities, whose foundational resources are heavily subsidized.
 
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omghulkhands said:
It feels like you are trying to say the NCAA is not a monopoly and that government interference has prevented competition

While simultaneously not acknowledging that the majority of NCAA members are public universities, whose foundational resources are heavily subsidized.
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One has nothing to do with the other
 
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golfballs said:
One has nothing to do with the other
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Lol ok. You’re a really smart person, so I’m confident you do understand exactly how they relate to each other.

But be my guest. I’ll mosey back over to the BB forum and let you continue your dissertation on Atlas Shrugged.
 
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golfballs said:
I have problems with how much he makes. But amateurism isn’t some kind of ethical standard for people to live by. Its was a rule put in place for competitive reasons. Mark Emmertt’s salary doesn’t have any implication on competitive outcomes
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So you honestly believe D1 players at competitive schools aren't getting paid?

You honestly believe that the players in the major schools of the SEC, B1G, ACC, etc that millions of people enjoy watching compete ARE NOT being paid? Really? You believe they are amateurs?

C'mon. I went to high school in the early 70s. When college came, envelopes appeared and were emptied back then. But yeah, love that amateur competition......
 
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stolitonic said:
I agree. As I said earlier though, Ewers and what happens to him ultimately could influence the "next guy". If Ewers bombs and disappears from the radar then maybe the next guy in his situation thinks twice. If he becomes the Buckeye equivalent of PFM, then the next guy will jump right in.

Gonna be a fascinating case study for somebody in the end.

To the other poster who stated that he could transfer and become the next Burrow or Fields, yes that could certainly happen. Both of those I view as special cases though.

Burrow stepped into a perfect situation at LSU at the perfect time. With Joe Brady not coming to LSU for a year who really knows how 2019 goes for the Tigers and Burrow? Face it, Burrow in 2018 (without Brady) was maybe a bit above average, but he certainly wasn't setting the world on fire.

Fields, once again a special case but maybe the closest thing to Ewers. Top high school recruit in the country-or 1A after Trevor Lawrence depending on who you talked to. Kirby tried to stash him for 2 years until Fromm left. Fields had other ideals and bolted. I personally don't care for him after that little racial stunt he leveraged to get immediate eligibility with the suckeyes and hope he bombs with Da Bears.
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Fields demonstrated the flawed model of the NCAA.

College is just a "pre-staging" area for the big money in the NFL. You're EXACTLY correct that Kirby tried to pocket Fields behind Fromm. Players, via the portal first and now NIL, are leveraging their worth vs "but we're Tennessee, dammit, we're bigger than any player....." Fields saw through the BS of GA being bigger than him as did Joe Burrow at tOSU and they bolted and balled out to get very lucrative NFL contracts. College isn't the end goal, not even close anymore, and with NIL this will further dilute the "we're Duke, we're Bama, we're TN" BS.

What we've seen as "college athletics" is over for sports when a player is worth 6 or 7 figures before EVER committing to a college. Forget the old model and develop a model where your "college program" maximizes the earnings of elite athletes and prepares them for the NFL or NBA.

Anything else gets left in the past.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
So you honestly believe D1 players at competitive schools aren't getting paid?

You honestly believe that the players in the major schools of the SEC, B1G, ACC, etc that millions of people enjoy watching compete ARE NOT being paid? Really? You believe they are amateurs?

C'mon. I went to high school in the early 70s. When college came, envelopes appeared and were emptied back then. But yeah, love that amateur competition......
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Enforcement of the rules is a different issue
 
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It will be interesting because Ewers is the highest rated QB in history....... a 1.000 and there are only 6 of them in history. It wouldn't surprise me if he starts because he is that talented. If he didn't have 2 other 5* and a high 4 * to compete against then I would say it was a given. Trevor Lawrence started as a freshmen and beat out only one incumbent who wasn't rated that highly. This kid is truly special though as he throws at all angles with high velocity and accuracy, ala Patrick Mahomes. One thing is for sure though, OSU will have some seriously talented players in the portal because at least 2 will transfer, maybe 3.
 
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golfballs said:
Enforcement of the rules is a different issue
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But you've been touting that people "love amateur college sports" while anyone with a quarter of a brain knows these players are not amateurs and haven't been for years and many are barely college students except in name.

Give it up. It's semi pro ball with prettier cheerleaders.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
But you've been touting that people "love amateur college sports" while anyone with a quarter of a brain knows these players are not amateurs and haven't been for years and many are barely college students except in name.

Give it up. It's semi pro ball with prettier cheerleaders.
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So what? Is that not against the rules? Fans routinely accuse other schools of cheating by paying players.
 
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golfballs said:
So what? Is that not against the rules? Fans routinely accuse other schools of cheating by paying players.
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You're the one touting how people "prefer amateur college athletics" when it's not amateur and barely college for many players.

People prefer great athletics. The masses aren't watching Union College and Rochester on October 23 because it'll be low quality athletics. They'll be watching Bama and TN because they'll see players who they'll see on Sunday in the future.

High quality athletes GET PAID. Get used to it. They've been stuffing stadiums and making millions for other people for decades and now they'll get a piece of the multi-million dollar pie that's "amateur college athletics."

You either love America and the ability to monetize your personal drive and talents...... or you don't.
 
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volfanhill said:
I have always said pay the coaches in education. If it's ok to pay the players in education then it should be ok to pay the other adults in it too.
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I know you’re being funny, but to coach you already are required to have a degree.
 
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