Quote from Holly.....

[PineyBluff Vol]

As I listened to the game, it seemed to me that DD was making more effort than she has in most games. So I see where CHW's remark came from. And, game before last, I saw DD smile at a teammate!

I really think accepting DD and treating her as the savior of the team (along with Tea) really set this year off wrong. You had two players who were immediately given significant playing time at the beginning of the season who had not yet shown that they deserved that playing time. I think that was a slap in the face to the other players. On top of that, I am guessing there was some "me and you" since DD and Tea had played together so much, which would not have helped the development of team unity.

All this is supposition on my part; it's as good as anyone else's suppositions about this team.

I'm sorry bobkitten, your uncertain belief(supposition) that Diamond, who was freshman player of the year and Te'a who was a highly rated point guard are not capable of replacing players who have not shown these qualifications is valid. Surely you are not saying that these players do not have a right to play!

 

[VolUpInCumming]

I posted this thread verbatim from the Chat. times free press without making any comment, positive or negative, because I wanted to see where the opinions would go. They have been pretty much what I expected and I agree with most of them.
My response to Holly's quote was "Just WOW!!!".
She still refuses to take ownership of the head coaching position of the Lady Vols basketball team. Nothing is ever her fault. Its as if she is still working for some phantom head coach she is trying to protect.
I don't know Holly. I've only seen her at games as a fan and in interviews. I am of the opinion of most on this forum that she is a really good person. But, to me, she just doesn't seem to understand the reality of her physical existence.
(or how to successfully coach a major D-1 women's basketball program).

 

[PineyBluff Vol]

"It's really an amazing streak and a tribute to all of the players and coaches who've contributed to the Lady Vols' rich tradition of excellence," Tennessee coach Holly Warlick said. "The results this season haven't been what we wanted, but I assure you my staff and I are working extremely hard to ensure that our players reach their potential and, in turn, help our program attain the level of success we expect at Tennessee."

The Lady Vols streak of 565 consecutive weeks in The Associated Press women's basketball poll ended Monday as Tennessee fell out of the Top 25. The streak started Feb. 17, 1985.

I find it "head scratching" bizarre:crazy: that she said this in the Associated Press...“We just continue to do what we’ve always done - get on the practice floor, work hard and hope that it carries over onto the basketball court,” Warlick said. “That’s all we can do. As long as we play hard and work hard, we’ve got a shot at anything.” Holly, don't you realize this hasn't worked, time to try something else!

 

[T.J.]

I find it "head scratching" bizarre:crazy: that she said this in the Associated Press...“We just continue to do what we’ve always done - get on the practice floor, work hard and hope that it carries over onto the basketball court,” Warlick said. “That’s all we can do. As long as we play hard and work hard, we’ve got a shot at anything.” Holly, don't you realize this hasn't worked, time to try something else!

Can you just imagine those practices with Holly?

She's out on the court screaming at the LVs WORK HARDER! Ladies you got to play harder than that. Just work hard. Good job now lets go play ball.

No offensive schemes taught in practice. How about teaching a swing offense? Nope. Just play hard and work hard. And MOST of all HOPE FOR THE BEST! Because that's all that Holly is able to give her squad. Hope and regurgitating play hard and work hard.

Fire Holly, NOW!

 

[Cooperlee33]

Warlick, in her talk with the media today, seemed a little loopy--more so than usual. Dazed and a little frazzled. She never has anything specific to say about the basketball team. Lot of vague generalities amounting to nothing: "We're going to get on the court and get back to work." She must have said that four times.

None of the media people--who never ask any real pointed questions--asked why Russell was on the floor late, or why our offense against zone hasn't improved, or why the best shooter on a bad shooting/bad scoring team seldom plays. Maybe it's because they know Warlick will say nothing insightful. I think the DeShields situation has been a real problem for her and the coaches this year--it just has. Warlick has made a lot of dumb moves, the team has not improved, players have not improved, but DD has been a real issue with this team. When the most talented player on your team is sitting half the game, there are pretty serious issues between coaches and players. That whole situation has been a major factor--and I too took immediate not of HW saying after the LSU game that DD "decided" to play.

DD has to be on the court, if HW wants the team to succeed year.

 

[dillyo51]

Please don't call her a COACH.
FIRE HOLLY DOOLEY WARLICK NOW!!!

Calling her a coach is an insult to other real coaches.

 

[teacherdean]

As I listened to the game, it seemed to me that DD was making more effort than she has in most games. So I see where CHW's remark came from. And, game before last, I saw DD smile at a teammate!

I really think accepting DD and treating her as the savior of the team (along with Tea) really set this year off wrong. You had two players who were immediately given significant playing time at the beginning of the season who had not yet shown that they deserved that playing time. I think that was a slap in the face to the other players. On top of that, I am guessing there was some "me and you" since DD and Tea had played together so much, which would not have helped the development of team unity.

All this is supposition on my part; it's as good as anyone else's suppositions about this team.

The biggest mistake was giving the keys to the kingdom to a coach that was, and is, ill prepared to properly handle the position.:cray:

 

[bobkitten]

I'm sorry bobkitten, your uncertain belief(supposition) that Diamond, who was freshman player of the year and Te'a who was a highly rated point guard are not capable of replacing players who have not shown these qualifications is valid. Surely you are not saying that these players do not have a right to play!

In order to play, they needed to SHOW what they can do on the college court in 2015-6. Bringing them in gradually, based on what they were showing, game at a time, not throwing them in as starters the first game, would have worked better, IMHO. Showing what they could do would have been one step toward buy-in by other players. Allowing them to earn the respect of the other players would have made teammanship more likely. That, and enthusiasm and willingness shown, might have led to better working together, which the team has seemed to lack.

In the case of DD, I have no idea how "involved" she was with the team when she sat on the bench. My observation last year was, "not much," but I certainly admit to watching the games, not her.

 

[PRG]

In order to play, they needed to SHOW what they can do on the college court in 2015-6. Bringing them in gradually, based on what they were showing, game at a time, not throwing them in as starters the first game, would have worked better, IMHO. Showing what they could do would have been one step toward buy-in by other players. Allowing them to earn the respect of the other players would have made teammanship more likely. That, and enthusiasm and willingness shown, might have led to better working together, which the team has seemed to lack.

In the case of DD, I have no idea how "involved" she was with the team when she sat on the bench. My observation last year was, "not much," but I certainly admit to watching the games, not her.

Players know when they play/practice with each! It does not take weeks, months or even a year! They know who the better athletes are almost instantly. Anyone who has played the game of Basketball knows the better players no matter if they are on your team or the other team. This is the main problem with the team this year!!!!!! The players know who should be on the floor and who should not...... With this understanding and Holly's game planning and substitution patterns is the reasons for their lack of effort and attitudes.. I cant believe they are still talking to each other in a civil manner?

If someone takes a shot and you had a better one! They know who did not throw the ball to them and why! Who plays with someone else and not act like you are even in the game! Some things come with playing together....Basketball IQ is entirely different game... if you cannot catch the ball....shoot the ball...make a play with the ball.. AAAAALLLLLL of your team mates know your game! AND WEAKNESSES!

They will not throw anyone under the BUS but they all know (Players) the problems with this team and its coaches!

 

[bobkitten]

If you don't PLAY like a "best player" then you are NOT a "best player."

 

[PRG]

If you don't PLAY like a "best player" then you are NOT a "best player."

My response was not about any one player being better than another! I never mentioned names! You missed it? Every player on the team knows each others skills and abilities. (THATS IT) If the coach is not playing the players in the right situations. Then this is on the coach! The players know who should be playing and when.......The team is being forced to play by substitutions that make no sense? When you play all five players that are not shooters..... you get no shots... Always going inside causes turnovers (ESPECIALLY IF THE COMPETITOR KNOWS THIS)

EXAMPLE: Last game.... in the later part of a close game.... you always have your best foul shooters and best dribblers in the game! Mercedes is neither? Even the analyst question on National TV?

EXAMPLE: The best three point shooter is not in a game when you are constantly playing against a zone defense?

These players know who should be starting.....playing the most minutes.....playing in crunch times...when to use pressure defense....when to run fast..

Some forget: Andraea fouling.... Reynolds shooting instead of holding for last shot.....

They need a coach to teach/remind them how to play the game! Its just not happening....sadly:cray:

 

[bobkitten]

My experience with great players is that they virtually ALL think come crunch time they should be in the game. While they may admire others' play, they want to play!

 

[PRG]

My experience with great players is that they virtually ALL think come crunch time they should be in the game. While they may admire others' play, they want to play!

I agree with your statement that all great players would want to be in the game at crunch time. However, this team does not have a lot of great players.

If you ask all of the team members who should take the last shot? I think there would be an agreement of just a few players. And not all of the players that should take that last shot.....were even in the game at LSU.

Mercedes
Carter
Graves
Middleton
DD

With 10.4 seconds left these were Holly's choices! Plus she used her last time out when she did not have to?

Ball handlers and foul shooters at crunch time!!

Graves and Carter missed foul shots at crunch time.... Tea and Reynolds & Nared on bench! (71%, 79%, 83%foul shooters) (TWO GUARDS) And Mercedes misses two foul shots with 4 seconds left?? (Mercedes, Carter, Middleton 50%, 68%, & 70% foul shooters) Holly had three players with better foul shooting percentages and ball handlers on the bench!!!
With 3 seconds on clock (if we had a time out) we could advance the ball for last shot?? Nope....Holly already used them!
Just saying?

 

[MDVolFan14]

I agree with your statement that all great players would want to be in the game at crunch time. However, this team does not have a lot of great players.

If you ask all of the team members who should take the last shot? I think there would be an agreement of just a few players. And not all of the players that should take that last shot.....were even in the game at LSU.

Mercedes
Carter
Graves
Middleton
DD

With 10.4 seconds left these were Holly's choices! Plus she used her last time out when she did not have to?

Ball handlers and foul shooters at crunch time!!

Graves and Carter missed foul shots at crunch time.... Tea and Reynolds & Nared on bench! (71%, 79%, 83%foul shooters) (TWO GUARDS) And Mercedes misses two foul shots with 4 seconds left?? (Mercedes, Carter, Middleton 50%, 68%, & 70% foul shooters) Holly had three players with better foul shooting percentages and ball handlers on the bench!!!
With 3 seconds on clock (if we had a time out) we could advance the ball for last shot?? Nope....Holly already used them!
Just saying?

On the season Russell is .567% from the foul line and she was on the floor the last minute of the game.

Now let's add the timeout situation. You hear it all the time in the men's game. Commentators scratching their heads when a coach who's team is up, taking a timeout voluntarily in the last minute of the game. You only burn your timeouts in the last minute to prevent the 5-second violation when trying to inbound the ball or if your player gets trapped in a corner with no where to go.

And with the Women's rules this year imitating the pro's with timeouts advancing the ball to half-court, a timeout with 3.4 seconds left would have come in handy. Gives you a chance to draw up a play and time to get off a better shot on your end of the basket before time expires. 3.4 seconds is a long time when you inbound on your end of the floor. That's at least a pass and a one dribble and a shot.

HW showed her team her lack of game management down the stretch with LSU. And that adds to the dysfunction and lack of respect that I'm sure is eroding this team with 8 HS AA's away....

 

[Tenacguy50]

Calling her a coach is an insult to other real coaches.

My point exactly.

 

[LVJeff]

...If you ask all of the team members who should take the last shot? I think there would be an agreement of just a few players. And not all of the players that should take that last shot.....were even in the game at LSU...

There were four plays in the LSU game that were a microcosm of the season:

-Reynolds fumbling the ball out of bounds with no one around her.
-Reynolds dropping the full court pass from Middleton.
-Warlick having Russell in the game when LSU fouled her.
-And the play you mention above, Warlick having the wrong players on the floor for the last shot (granted it was a long shot - pun not intended - anyway).

For me these four plays epitomize the breakdowns of both the players and the coaches this season.

 

[xanamanax]

:whistling:

 

[btate]

Holly hasn't been working very hard or this basketball team would be a lot better than they were in game one.
She has even sent Dean and other Assistants to press conferences and said the difference in the team now and at the beginning of the season was night and day. Meaning were a lot better now. Were not any better were about the same as we were at the beginning of the season.
We could have beaten LSU but Holly chose to start a lineup unable to score from the perimeter and they were actually two of our worst passers and we scored 18 points. We'll have to keep putting up with this for another season nothing ever ends easy unless you got leaders at the top that want accept this type of play. I think Dave Hart is more than content to accept it and so it will go on for at least another season and if it is like this one then a change will be made.

Dave Hart will have to man-up and get rid of Holly