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"Palin shares nothing but a chromosome with Hillary Clinton." -- Gloria Steinem

"I am prepared. I am prepared. I need no on-the-job training. I wasn't a mayor for a short period of time. I wasn't a governor for a short period of time." -- Sen. John McCain, quoted by the New York Times, during the Republican presidential primaries.

"[George W. Bush] was born on third base and stole second." -- Gov. Ted Strickland (D-Oh)

"The Greek tragedy aspect of this election could turn out to be, George Bush defeats John McCain twice." -- Former McCain strategist John Weaver

"He didn't have a lot of experience in running a presidential campaign, did he?" -- Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, interviewed on Good Morning America, when asked if Sen. Barack Obama had enough experience to be president.
 
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lawgator1 said:
"Palin shares nothing but a chromosome with Hillary Clinton." -- Gloria Steinem

"I am prepared. I am prepared. I need no on-the-job training. I wasn't a mayor for a short period of time. I wasn't a governor for a short period of time." -- Sen. John McCain, quoted by the New York Times, during the Republican presidential primaries.

"[George W. Bush] was born on third base and stole second." -- Gov. Ted Strickland (D-Oh)

"The Greek tragedy aspect of this election could turn out to be, George Bush defeats John McCain twice." -- Former McCain strategist John Weaver

"He didn't have a lot of experience in running a presidential campaign, did he?" -- Former Secretary of State Colin Powell, interviewed on Good Morning America, when asked if Sen. Barack Obama had enough experience to be president.
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The last quote from Colin Powell is the best.
 
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KB5252 said:
And exactly why are they worth noting?
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Powell makes a point that Obama's experience isn't an issue. McCain makes a point that being a Mayor or Governor for a short time isn't important before picking Palin. Those are worth noting.
 
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615 Vol said:
The last quote from Colin Powell is the best.
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And why is that, when the statement itself is made on a false assumption? Obama is not running his campaign! Every candidate pays others well to run it for them, tell them what they need to push on, what to back off of.

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615 Vol said:
The last quote from Colin Powell is the best.
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No it's not. It excludes the fact that campaigns aren't run by candidates and candidates don't call the shots. Campaigns are run by longtime politicos who do nothing else. It also excludes the fact that beating a R in this environment could have been handled by just about anyone breathing, and Obama is living proof of that fact.
 
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KB5252 said:
And why is that, when the statement itself is made on a false assumption? Obama is not running his campaign! Every candidate pays others well to run it for them, tell them what they need to push on, what to back off of.

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Obama is very much a reason why he is winning. Maybe not the sole reason. The advisers aren't giving the speeches and doing the debates. Doesn't the President appoint people for certain tasks? If Obama's advisers are doing such a great job it is telling of his judgment in getting something done.
 
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615 Vol said:
Powell makes a point that Obama's experience isn't an issue. McCain makes a point that being a Mayor or Governor for a short time isn't important before picking Palin. Those are worth noting.
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We can go round and round on the particulars of experience. I would tend to find more truth in the statement that experience is much less important for the Vice President's role than that of the President's.

The difference between being at the top of your ticket and the bottom is very significant.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
No it's not. It excludes the fact that campaigns aren't run by candidates and candidates don't call the shots. Campaigns are run by longtime politicos who do nothing else. It also excludes the fact that beating a R in this environment could have been handled by just about anyone breathing, and Obama is living proof of that fact.
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So how did he beat the well oiled machine named Hillary Clinton?
 
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KB5252 said:
We can go round and round on the particulars of experience. I would tend to find more truth in the statement that experience is much less important for the Vice President's role than that of the President's.

The difference between being at the top of your ticket and the bottom is very significant.
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Like the inexperience of Dick Cheney? Seems he had a big role in the past 8 years, I guess his experience wasn't very important.
 
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If we are going to post stupid trivial quotes.......

"I'm here with the Girardo family here in St. Louis." --speaking via satellite to the Democratic National Convention, while in Kansas City, Missouri, Aug. 25, 2008

"Let me introduce to you the next President -- the next Vice President of the United States of America, Joe Biden." --slipping up while introducing Joe Biden at their first joint campaign rally, Springfield, Illinois, Aug. 23, 2008

"Just this past week, we passed out of the out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee -- which is my committee -- a bill to call for divestment from Iran as way of ratcheting up the pressure to ensure that they don't obtain a nuclear weapon." --referring to a committee he is not on, Sderot, Israel, July 23, 2008

"Let me be absolutely clear. Israel is a strong friend of Israel's. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under a McCain...administration. It will be a strong friend of Israel's under an Obama administration. So that policy is not going to change." --Amman, Jordan, July 22, 2008

"How's it going, Sunshine?" --campaigning in Sunrise, Florida

"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes -- and I see many of them in the audience here today -- our sense of patriotism is particularly strong."

"Hold on one second, sweetie, we're going to do -- we'll do a press avail." --to a female reporter for ABC's Detroit affiliate who asked about his plan to help American autoworkers (Watch video clip)

"I've now been in 57 states -- I think one left to go." --at a campaign event in Beaverton, Oregon (Watch video clip)

"Why can't I just eat my waffle?" --after being asked a foreign policy question by a reporter while visiting a diner in Pennsylvania

"It's not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." --explaining his troubles winning over some working-class voters

"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."

"Come on! I just answered, like, eight questions." --exasperated by reporters after a news conference

"You're likeable enough, Hillary." --during a Democratic debate

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed." --on a Kansas tornado that killed 12 people
 
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615 Vol said:
So how did he beat the well oiled machine named Hillary Clinton?
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she is intensely divisive and the Clinton's have worn out their welcome, IMO. Also helped that Republicans were supporting him at every turn throughout the primary.
 
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"A man I'm proud to call my friend. A man who will be the next President of the United States — Barack America!" --Joe Biden, at his first campaign rally with Barack Obama (Watch video clip)

"If your kitchen table is like mine, you sit there at night before you put the kids to bed and you talk about what you need. You talk about how much you are worried about being able to pay the bills. Ladies and gentlemen, that is not a worry John McCain has to worry about. It's a pretty hard experience. He'll have to figure out which of the seven kitchen tables to sit at." --Joe Biden

"There's only three things he mentions in a sentence -- a noun, a verb, and 9/11." --Joe Biden, on Rudy Giuliani (Watch video clip)

"I should start with an apology to Rudy Giuliani. I said every sentence Rudy utters has a noun, a verb, and 9/11 in it. I was wrong. He called me to tell me after Pat Robertson's endorsement, there's an Amen in every sentence he says too." --Joe Biden

"Yes." --Joe Biden, giving a one-word answer during a Democratic debate to NBC Anchor Brian Wiliams, who cited criticism of Biden's "uncontrolled verbosity" and tendency to be a “gaffe machine” in asking whether he would "have the discipline you would need on the world stage" (Watch video clip)

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man." --Joe Biden on Barack Obama

"I got tested for AIDS. I know Barack got tested for AIDS. There's no shame in being tested for AIDS. It's an important thing."

"You cannot go to a 7-11 or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.... I'm not joking." --Joe Biden
 
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615 Vol said:
Like the inexperience of Dick Cheney? Seems he had a big role in the past 8 years, I guess his experience wasn't very important.
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his experience is only of any value to the extent that the President wants to use him in the policy making process. Bush leaned heavily on Cheney. Clinton, on the other hand, probably couldn't remember Gore's first name by the time they were finished.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
No it's not. It excludes the fact that campaigns aren't run by candidates and candidates don't call the shots. Campaigns are run by longtime politicos who do nothing else. It also excludes the fact that beating a R in this environment could have been handled by just about anyone breathing, and Obama is living proof of that fact.
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Are you saying that Obama could not fire David Axlerod or any other adviser? They might be making decisions but it's Obama's judgment in these people that put them there. Kinda like an executive that the Palin supporters keep harping on. Do you think she makes every decision in Alaska or does she appoint people to do certain tasks?
 
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615 Vol said:
Obama is very much a reason why he is winning. Maybe not the sole reason. The advisers aren't giving the speeches and doing the debates. Doesn't the President appoint people for certain tasks? If Obama's advisers are doing such a great job it is telling of his judgment in getting something done.
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A jr politician(which Obama is no matter how you look at it) would not know where to look for advisers. He was steered to the people he needed to. If you think Obama became the candidate without a serious push from very powerful people you don't understand how high level politics work. About the only credit I could give him for advisers is not rejecting the people who were picked for him.
 
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615 Vol said:
Are you saying that Obama could not fire David Axlerod or any other adviser? They might be making decisions but it's Obama's judgment in these people that put them there. Kinda like an executive that the Palin supporters keep harping on. Do you think she makes every decision in Alaska or does she appoint people to do certain tasks?
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he can do whatever he wants, but he hasn't and won't. The level of coaching he has had since he started becoming prominent has shown immensely as he has backed away from many of the idiotic pronouncements he made early in the process.

Comparing campaign decision making over polling garbage to executive decision making at the governor level is the silliness that made Obama look foolish not very long ago and he has run from it like the plague. Why go back there?
 
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KB5252 said:
A jr politician(which Obama is no matter how you look at it) would not know where to look for advisers. He was steered to the people he needed to. If you think Obama became the candidate without a serious push from very powerful people you don't understand how high level politics work. About the only credit I could give him for advisers is not rejecting the people who were picked for him.
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So you are telling me that Barack Obama could not find an adviser? How many Dem's were in the primaries, and yet these people chose Obama why? Where do you get this Jr. politician stuff, what are the standards for a Jr. politician or did you just make that up? How many debates have David Axelrod or Robert Gibb joined in on? Where was Obama's teleprompter last night, thought he couldn't work without it? If not, than McCain must really be an awful debater since most people called it a tie.
 
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615 Vol said:
So you are telling me that Barack Obama could not find an adviser? How many Dem's were in the primaries, and yet these people chose Obama why? Where do you get this Jr. politician stuff, what are the standards for a Jr. politician or did you just make that up? How many debates have David Axelrod or Robert Gibb joined in on? Where was Obama's teleprompter last night, thought he couldn't work without it? If not, than McCain must really be an awful debater since most people called it a tie.
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they chose Obama, to a person, because he made "no on Iraq" his sole issue. He had enough support on that sole issue to fight and beat down Hillary, who the dems finally realized was unlikely to win in a general election.

Pretending Obama is something else is fantasy.
 
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David Axelrod (political consultant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

From reading this it doesn't look like someone paired Axelrod up with Obama. They knew each other since 1992 when the two were introduced at a registration drive. Hardly the powerful putting him in charge of Obama. In 1992, I doubt many people envisioned Obama running for President 16 years later.

EDIT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Axelrod_(political_consultant)

I didn't copy the full link.


Just google David Axelrod, this link isn't working for me but it's there.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I've never understood why people took so much offense to that. Don't you think that people who are paying taxes are thereby supporting the country?
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John McEnroe has a perfect response to this question, but it escapes me at the moment. Someone help me out.
 
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