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Sandvol said:
Anyway, now that we have Holly, again, I do think she is getting better. And, I hope she gets good enough to cause a dilemma.
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I have doubts about Holly as a coach but because she has been getting the job done recruiting wise (Her staff is responsible for a lot of our current talent) so I will give her the benefit of the doubt. If we can't reach the final 4 by the time Te'a and MiMi are seasons (her contract ends the season after they graduate) I would then look to firing her. And if I am replacing her it has to be someone with ties to our organization and will hold up the tradition Pat has set. My choices are;

1.) Tyler Summit (only if he shows that he is a top coach in that 4 year span)
2.) Nicki Caldwell (say what you want but she has done far more with a lot less at both UCLA and LSU)
3.) Nicki McCray (she hasn't truly showed what she can do behind Dawn Staley but I believe she can get it done as she has been the primary recruiter at South Carolina)
4.) Kelli Harper, Sameka Randall, Tonya Edwards, Tasha Butts or Niya Butts

Notice I have selected Pat's son and Former players that she has coach who currently are into coaching. I truly think Tyler will eventually end up taking over the position if he shows he can restore Louisiana Tech program (they don't have to be great but if he gets them to the tournament and they are able to win a few first or second round games). The Summit name will mean a lot in many households who are familiar with Pat and all that she has accomplished
 
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mlindsay said:
I have doubts about Holly as a coach but because she has been getting the job done recruiting wise (Her staff is responsible for a lot of our current talent) so I will give her the benefit of the doubt. If we can't reach the final 4 by the time Te'a and MiMi are seasons (her contract ends the season after they graduate) I would then look to firing her. And if I am replacing her it has to be someone with ties to our organization and will hold up the tradition Pat has set. My choices are;

1.) Tyler Summit (only if he shows that he is a top coach in that 4 year span)
2.) Nicki Caldwell (say what you want but she has done far more with a lot less at both UCLA and LSU)
3.) Nicki McCray (she hasn't truly showed what she can do behind Dawn Staley but I believe she can get it done as she has been the primary recruiter at South Carolina)
4.) Kelli Harper, Sameka Randall, Tonya Edwards, Tasha Butts or Niya Butts

Notice I have selected Pat's son and Former players that she has coach who currently are into coaching. I truly think Tyler will eventually end up taking over the position if he shows he can restore Louisiana Tech program (they don't have to be great but if he gets them to the tournament and they are able to win a few first or second round games). The Summit name will mean a lot in many households who are familiar with Pat and all that she has accomplished
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I would say of the ones you listed Holly is the best choice.
 
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Sandvol said:
She isn't a bad basketball coach. And she is getting better in my opinion. The problem is she inherited the top women's program in the country without having to earn it. Sure she served her time here but should that have gotten her the head coaching job? If the administration really wanted to keep the program at the top level they would have gone out and hired the best coach they could have at close to Pat's level of salary. There were several who they probably could have gotten-at least should have made a try for. But, that's not what they really wanted. They wanted to cut the women's program costs but still maintain some semblance of competence. That's what they did. I hope she forces them into a dilemma by winning an NC either this year or next. If she does she deserves to be paid on Staley's level.
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I think you are so right, also how could they continue to pay Pat? I'm not sure many couches would like the job with her as coach Emeritus.Holly is probably taking less so they will keep Pat on. Another thing for people to remember is that this program was on the downside before Pat retired.
 
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Ladyvolfan4ever said:
I would say of the ones you listed Holly is the best choice.
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I agree with the possible exception of Caldwell. I am unsure why LSU isn't better than they are. I thought Caldwell did a fine job at UCLA and while LSU isn't bad, Caldwell has underachieved there. I wonder if she can turn LSU around. I think she did the correct thing in getting rid of Ballard. I don't think anybody will be able to get fans to the LSU games - that's probably hopeless, but I'd like to see her turn it around.
 
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Sandvol said:
There are also several up and comers who are not top 10 yet but would have probably been a better hire than Holly because they had head coaching experience and were really bringing their programs up. For instance the Cal coach, or the Gonzaga Coach, Melanie Balcomb, Muffet McGraw, Jeff Wahl, Dawn Staley and several more. All have more experience and were more proven winners than Holly.
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What makes you think any of these coaches would leave their current jobs?
 
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LVJeff said:
I agree with the possible exception of Caldwell. I am unsure why LSU isn't better than they are. I thought Caldwell did a fine job at UCLA and while LSU isn't bad, Caldwell has underachieved there. I wonder if she can turn LSU around. I think she did the correct thing in getting rid of Ballard. I don't think anybody will be able to get fans to the LSU games - that's probably hopeless, but I'd like to see her turn it around.
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Most of the talent in the state has left (Hurricane Katrina) and not only that but the surrounding states (Texas, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Arkansas) talent are staying at home (Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State) has had more success recently. In a place like Tennessee she would be successful like she was in UCLA (which I felt she should have stayed because she was not going to be able to take SEC talent from the programs who has had success over the years and she thought she would)
 
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mlindsay said:
...In a place like Tennessee she would be successful...
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You may be right about that. Switch Warlick and Caldwell...would Tennessee lose more games under Caldwell and LSU win more games under Warlick? I don't think either would happen.
 
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Martic said:
What makes you think any of these coaches would leave their current jobs?
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Tennessee was the UCLA of women's basketball and Pat had the highest salary. Maybe some of them wouldn't have left but I believe several would have. I think Brenda Frese would have or Jeff Wahl. And, Caldwell was probably a better hire because she had head coaching experience and was successful. What has hurt Nikki at LSU was the pregnancy and being a single Mom. That has to drain her. I think she will build a powerhouse at LSU eventually. Don't know if she would have taken the job out of respect for Holly though.
 
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BMvol27 said:
I've never understood why people want Caldwell as head coach. She has never done anything.
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Not true. Great assistant coach and recruiter, great job at UCLA. Good job at LSU. What has hurt her is the pregnancy and being a single mom but she will get through that.
 
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When Brenda Frese had her baby her program took a little dip for a couple of years. Wait and watch what happens at LSU. Nikki is going to be good.
 
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BMvol27 said:
I've never understood why people want Caldwell as head coach. She has never done anything.
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I don't necessarily "want" her, but I wouldn't object to her being HC anymore than I do Holly - that is, not at all. I don't think Tennessee's situation right now would be substantially different had Caldwell been HC the past three years. But I'm just guessing.
 
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I think CHW is improving every year as the head coach at Tennessee,she is going thru a learning curve as a head coach and she is doing pretty damn good,just look at all the injuries she has had since she has taken over

to me that is why they haven't done better than they have,I'm just hoping the team can get through this year with no key injuries for a change

and we all know that Bama Dave could give a rats ass about womens sports or so i think :)
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
The LSU AD said that improvement had to be made in the women's basketball program.

Caldwell's rear end may be getting a little warm.
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I thought that she would have done a lot better at LSU than she has,she has been there long enough to have them on the right track,but she has underachieved there so far
 
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Caldwell's not going anywhere at LSU. As long as she keeps making the tournament each year her job is safe until her contract is up. Plus she just signed an extension last yr for three more yrs. If they fire her they would be on hook for 1.4 mil of her remaining contract, plus the contract of a new coach. With LSU being a football school I don't think there's any priority on women's basketball. So Caldwell will still be around until 2019.
 
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Sandvol said:
Not true. Great assistant coach and recruiter, great job at UCLA. Good job at LSU. What has hurt her is the pregnancy and being a single mom but she will get through that.
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I thought Nikki Caldwell got married? What has hurt her at LSU is recruiting. I think she can coach and she does good with what talent she brings in, but she can't seem to bring in elite talent. I heard that she refuses to cheat. She won't deal with the the demands of some of these handlers and AAU coaches. I am still at awe that women's basketball recruiting is slowly but surely heading in the direction of men's recruiting. Some of these AAU coaches do not have these young ladies' best interest at hand and are trying to make a name for themselves.
 
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VOL720 said:
I thought Nikki Caldwell got married? What has hurt her at LSU is recruiting. I think she can coach and she does good with what talent she brings in, but she can't seem to bring in elite talent. I heard that she refuses to cheat. She won't deal with the the demands of some of these handlers and AAU coaches. I am still at awe that women's basketball recruiting is slowly but surely heading in the direction of men's recruiting. Some of these AAU coaches do not have these young ladies' best interest at hand and are trying to make a name for themselves.
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Don't think so. Difficult to get out on the recruiting trail when you're toting a baby.
 
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By the way Pokey Chapman is one I would have considered going after. If she ever comes back to college basketball she will produce-big time coach.
 
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Sandvol said:
By the way Pokey Chapman is one I would have considered going after. If she ever comes back to college basketball she will produce-big time coach.
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I agree, but I doubt she ever comes back to college basketball. All an opposing coaching staff has to tell a parent of a recruit, that both staffs are battling for, is why let your daughter play for her when she had relations with one of her players while coaching at LSU. It would be difficult for her to recruit if she came back, but she was a great coach at LSU. I think she took LSU to five or six straight Final Fours.
 
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VOL720 said:
She's married. Even before she got married, her fiancé was at numerous of LSU games. I doubt having a baby has anything to do with her not being so successful at LSU, but I do think recruiting has a lot to do with it.

LSU’s Nikki Caldwell makes it official with longtime fiancé Justin Fargas | LSU | The Advocate — Baton Rouge, Louisiana
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Good for her but I disagree. She's been to 4 NCAA tournaments in 4 years so she's been successful and I'm sure the baby has slowed her. It has to have.
 
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VOL720 said:
I agree, but I doubt she ever comes back to college basketball. All an opposing coaching staff has to tell a parent of a recruit, that both staffs are battling for, is why let your daughter play for her when she had relations with one of her players while coaching at LSU. It would be difficult for her to recruit if she came back, but she was a great coach at LSU. I think she took LSU to five or six straight Final Fours.
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I'd still give her a shot.
 
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