Rank the issues

[therealUT]

1 - Freedom
2 - Rule of Law Right
3 - Defense

fyp

Must the citizen ever for a moment, or in the least degree, resign his conscience to the legislator? Why has every man a conscience, then? I think that we should be men first, and subjects afterward. It is not desirable to cultivate a respect for the law, so much as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume, is to do at any time what I think right.

Henry David Thoreau

 

[Abe Hoffman]

1 Economy
2 Health care
3 Education
4 Ending the war in Afganistan
5 Tax reform
6 State of politics
7 Government reform
8 Environmental issues
9 Energy
10 All other

 

[hohenfelsvol]

Big Govt equals failure and go from there

fyp

 

[MG1968]

1. Economy
1a. Domestic energy production (drilling, fracking, nuke plants, clean coal, building refineries)
2. Tax reform
3. balanced budget amendment
4. health insurance reform to include a repeal of Obamacare
5. defense department cuts as well as ending military involvement/engagement in the Middle East and Israel
6. entitlement reform to include at least a partial privatization of Social Security
7. repeal of the 17th Amendment
8. tort reform including a loser-pays system
9. financial reform to include allowing the housing market to bottom out
10. election reform that includes voter ID laws and an end to the popular vote for POTUS

 

[n_huffhines]

fyp

What is right, though? That's the problem. Each idiot elected thinks they are right.

Prioritizing rule of law is simply a safeguard against runaway government. If we have to observe the law, so do they. If they have to observe stupid/bad laws, and can't ignore them, they're more likely to get rid of them. That's what I mean by rule of law.

 

[therealUT]

What is right, though? That's the problem. Each idiot elected thinks they are right.

Prioritizing rule of law is simply a safeguard against runaway government. If we have to observe the law, so do they. If they have to observe stupid/bad laws, and can't ignore them, they're more likely to get rid of them. That's what I mean by rule of law.

I like the idea of each idiot having to think for him/herself. It would make things a lot more interesting if individuals could not simply defer to "the law" or "common sense" to guide their actions.

 

[n_huffhines]

I like the idea of each idiot having to think for him/herself. It would make things a lot more interesting if individuals could not simply defer to "the law" or "common sense" to guide their actions.

I totally agree. When I say rule of law, I'm not talking about you and I going exactly 45 MPH when the sign says so. I'm talking about government respecting the law.

Words to live by:

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." - Robert A. Heinlein, from The Moon is a Harsh Mistress

 

[lawgator1]

I like the idea of each idiot having to think for him/herself. It would make things a lot more interesting if individuals could not simply defer to "the law" or "common sense" to guide their actions.

What?

 

[therealUT]

What?

Shall I type it again?

 

[lawgator1]

Shall I type it again?

No, not really.

The statement "It would make things a lot more interesting if individuals could not simply defer to "the law" or "common sense" to guide their actions" pretty much speaks for itself.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

No, not really.

The statement "It would make things a lot more interesting if individuals could not simply defer to "the law" or "common sense" to guide their actions" pretty much speaks for itself.

Obviously racist

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

Nobody thinks Housing is an issue? Its a $20 Trillion market and its a total disaster

 

[therealUT]

Nobody thinks Housing is an issue? Its a $20 Trillion market and its a total disaster

I imagine that LG, and anyone else that thinks the government should intervene in private business transactions, thinks Housing is an issue.

 

[lawgator1]

I imagine that LG, and anyone else that thinks the government should intervene in private business transactions, thinks Housing is an issue.

I think that failure to deal with it makes a bad economy worse. And for longer.

Don't you?

 

[therealUT]

I think that failure to deal with it makes a bad economy worse. And for longer.

Don't you?

I think that deciding that it is not the government's place to regulate the economy makes the economy better, even though the initial absence of paternalism might cause near-term pain.

 

[bamawriter]

I think that failure to deal with it makes a bad economy worse.

In the near term? Quite possible.

And for longer.

Not likely. Letting the market bottom out would be better throwing money at it just to keep it barely above the bottom.

 

[NEO]

CNN has a poll up where you rank your top ten issues for the '12 election. I voted.

Not scientific, by any means, but interesting.

The current top 10:

1 Economy
2 National debt
3 Health care
4 Taxes
5 Education
6 Help the middle class
7 State of politics
8 Government reform
9 Energy & environment
10 National security


My own top 10:

1 Help the middle class
2 Housing
3 Economy
4 Campaign finance
5 Education
6 Government reform
7 Taxes
8 State of politics
9 Social security
10 Strength of leadership

You place campaign reform ahead of education?

And define how you would like to change housing?

 

[KentheOrange]

Nobody thinks Housing is an issue? Its a $20 Trillion market and its a total disaster

Everyone seems to forget that government intervention (Clinton and Janet Reno) started the housing problem.

 

[T-TownVol]

LOL, wut?

Eliminating the capital gains tax would primarily help the top. Help to the middle class would be minimal, at best, and very very slow.

Eliminating the corporate income tax will similarly not provide any immediate help to the middle class. If at all. Ever.

Eliminating the minimum wage would mean nothing to the middle class. All it would do, if at all, is open up more incredibly low paying jobs for the disenfranchised.

The middle class needs some of their income freed up to spend on goods and services, the provision of which sparks commerce and more hiring, stabilizes credit markets, increases confidence, promotes investment in production, etc.

Eliminate the Bush tax cuts for those households making over $500,000 a year and, with whatever that generates, make corresponding cut in taxes of those making $50,000 to $200,000 a year.

You continue to show your pure ignorance on this subject.

 

[NEO]

LG...

when you raise capital gains tax you lose investors.

when you lose investors you lose businesses

when you lose businesses you lose jobs

when you lose jobs you slow the economy

when you slow the economy you lose even more businesses



raising capital gains creates a huge domino effect

 

[trevols81]

It's the economy stupid.

I haven't read the thread before posting so I'm sure this is an original response.

 

[T-TownVol]

It's the economy and LG is stupid.

I haven't read the thread before posting so I'm sure this is an original response.

fify

 

[trevols81]

Hey what do ya know...

T-Town, stating the obvious was too easy.

 

[T-TownVol]

Hey what do ya know...

T-Town, stating the obvious was too easy.

getting him to realize it is a whole different issue

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

1 Economy
2 National debt
3 Health care
4 Taxes
5 Education
6 Help the middle class
7 State of politics
8 Government reform
9 Energy & environment
10 National security

Ok, this leaves me with:

1. Government reform
2. Taxes
3. National Debt
4. National Security

The government need not concern itself with all the other BS; the fact that it concerned itself with those things in the first place is what has resulted in the sham that is the United States Federal Government.

:good!:

Also, imo if you want to "help" the middle class as well as the overall economy, eliminate the income tax. If people have more money in their pockets they will spend more.