Ranking our Offensive Unit by Position.

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I honestly have never played football, so I don't know the level our players are at in each position, but I was wondering can someone rank our offensive unit? Not by players, but by position. Is our QB's really that weak? What about our TE's?
 
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Offense:-
QB - Not good
RB - Not bad
O-line - Good (supposedly)
WR's - Not good(but have shown improvement)
TE's - Not good(but have shown improvement)

Special teams :-
This has been the best part of the team

JMO though !!!
 
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Dougie_D said:
I honestly have never played football, so I don't know the level our players are at in each position, but I was wondering can someone rank our offensive unit? Not by players, but by position. Is our QB's really that weak? What about our TE's?
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You've never played football?? This forum might not be for you then, because clearly the rest of VN has years upon years of high level organized football knowledge and experience as evidenced by the meltdown threads that are generated virtually every Saturday night.
 
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fade route said:
You've never played football?? This forum might not be for you then, because clearly the rest of VN has years upon years of high level organized football knowledge and experience as evidenced by the meltdown threads that are generated virtually every Saturday night.
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Great, great post! Also, I like the throwback avatar.
 
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OP - Not a direct answer, but a general one. Our Offense is suffering from multiple problems that confound one's ability to rate each position relative to the conference.

Multiple coaches over the years, musical chair positions, youth, etc. skews the scale so to speak. But, I think the first response you got to your thread about sums it up.
 
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I meant ranking our positions within our offense. Not the conference or other teams. Ranking the strongest position to weakest. After our O-line, what is our next strongest position/unit?
 
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I don't mean for this to be a slam to the OP, but this is the ignorant asking to be educated by the ignorant (ignorant being just uninformed not dumb). Thanks OP for at least being honest with the fact that you haven't played and don't know. The problem with your question is that this is a team sport and if the quarterback play is bad it can make other areas look worse than it is. All facets need to execute responsibilities and I think it is safe to say the offense as a unit is underperforming and we should just leave it at that.:peace2:
 
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Dougie_D said:
I honestly have never played football, so I don't know the level our players are at in each position, but I was wondering can someone rank our offensive unit? Not by players, but by position. Is our QB's really that weak? What about our TE's?
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No other team in the league starts 2 FR & a SO at WR. There are teams that have 1 young WR playing with upperclassmen but none have all 3 positions manned by younger guys all at the same time. We actually have a very talented WR Corp but they are arguably the least experienced group in the league. Within the next 2 years max these same guys will be conference all stars. They just need experience.

Our OLine is one of the best in the league but there is a limit to what they can accomplished absent experienced and talented skill players around them. They excel at pass protection and over the last couple years have dramatically improved at run blocking. All 5 starters have a good shot at making an NFL roster next year.

Our running backs have improved with experience. If we had viability in a balanced offensive attack they would be more productive. As it is most defenses we are now facing recognize the run game as our strength so often times we're running against a loaded box.

Downs is an average TE at best. He had limited experience coming into the year. Everyone else at the position is a Freshman so no experience and limited talent.

At QB our best talent is in the freshmen but obviously they have no experience at this level. Putting a complete freshman passing game on the field (i.e., QB & WR's) with the likes of who we play would be akin to child abuse so most coaches can't bring themselves to make that call unless it is completely unavoidable. QB right now looks worse than it is because of inexperience at WR and WR looks worse than it is because of the lack of talent and limited experience in our current QB. Believe it or not it really could have been worse to this point and I think that's what the coaches have feared and why we have yet to see one of the freshman QBs.

Football is a team game so weakness in skill positions detract from the strength of the OLine and vice versa. Same with WR and QB. Archie Manning was a great QB but in all his NFL career he never had a winning season.

The good news is that we have excellent talent coming in next year and the following year is already looking promising as well. If we can hold it together then in the 2015 season we should field our best team in perhaps a decade. We'll still be young but we'll have a lot more talent and a little more experience. From then on this will be a fun team to watch. Until then, it's a process, brick by brick, and all that.
 
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ok i will admit i am not mel kiper but how can we sat our receivers are not good when the dang qb cant get the ball deep enough to them, in front of them, or to them instead of 3 feet above them.
 
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We've come a long way since having to start 2 walk-ons on the Oline.

We've lost our stride considerably from last year with NFL talent at WR(1), WR(2), TE(1) and QB(1). Even our WR(3 - Zach Rogers) got a strong look from the NFL. (He may have made a roster, I'm not sure).

Our defense is considerably better than last year although the next few weeks may test that a bit.

Special teams - last year = joke; this year = respectable.

Kicking - last year = face-in=hands; this year = respectable.

We're so much better than the results on the field. If we'd beaten UF, we'd be talking about possible SECCG; now we're talking about a possible lower (perhaps the lowest) ranked bowl game. However, that game outcome was a result of an experiment gone terribly awry (Peterman starting at QB and then leaving him in the game until the announcers were almost asking for a replacement).

Just my $.02
 
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rickyb712 said:
ok i will admit i am not mel kiper but how can we sat our receivers are not good when the dang qb cant get the ball deep enough to them, in front of them, or to them instead of 3 feet above them.
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Sometimes it is as you see. The QB made a bad throw. Sometimes it is what you don't see. The WR ran a bad route. Football at this level isn't the same as playing in the back yard. There's a lot of timing and spacing involved. The WR has reads to make just like the QB has reads to make. If either is off then both are off and since the focus is primarily on the QB he gets the heat. Playing at this level the QB is going to many times release the ball before the receiver even looks back. If the receiver isn't where he is supposed to be then it looks like the QB made a bad throw - which obviously isn't always the case. When a QB says he trusts his receivers it means a lot more than he trusts them to catch the ball. QB's that hold the ball too long at this level are QBs that generally do not trust their receivers in the scheme so they are reverting to backyard skills and at this level backyard skills won't carry you very far.
 
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On a scale from 1-10

Current ranking / Potential ranking.

Qb- 5.0 / 7.0
RB- 6.5 / 7.0
WR- 5.5 / 8.0
Te- 5.5 / 6.5
OL- 7.5 / 8.0

If the qb can some how end up playing at a 6.5 - 7.0 this year, we will be a much improved team overall. IMO
 
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KingtUT said:
On a scale from 1-10

Qb- 5.0
RB- 6.5
WR- 5.5
Te- 5.5
OL- 7.0

If the qb can some how end up playing at a 6.5 - 7.0 this year, we will be a much improved team overall. IMO
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Almost a chicken/egg thing. If our wr's and te's are 6.5's... the same thing.
 
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I've seen people assign blame to both sides of the ledger (QB vs WR) as far as our passing effectiveness or lack thereof. Regardless where the larger portion of blame lies I honestly believe you have to rate that unit in the 3 range as they are well below average. That's just the stats whether you measure them against the division, conference, ncaa, or world.
 
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gnm53108 said:
Almost a chicken/egg thing. If our wr's and te's are 6.5's... the same thing.
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Hate to get into that discussion again, but if you notice, everywhere Peyton Manning has played the wr's end up being drastically better than they have ever been before. Maybe all this time it's these no name wr's that have been making Peyton look good instead of the other way around. :loco: QB play is 100% the most important thing we need to improve.
 
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KingtUT said:
Hate to get into that discussion again, but if you notice, everywhere Peyton Manning has played the wr's end up being drastically better than they have ever been before. Maybe all this time it's these no name wr's that have been making Peyton look good instead of the other way around. :loco: QB play is 100% the most important thing we need to improve.
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truth, yes the receivers need to assist these efforts.
 
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