Rapper Nelly arrested in Putnam County tonight

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Rasputin_Vol said:
I read everything you said including the distinctions you made... still different than how felons were handled 50 years ago.
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How many violent felons from 50 years ago were repeat offenders? Or released early due to overcrowding in prisons? Or during a time when a lawyer could throw out a defense of "the woman had it coming to her" during a rape trial and get away with it? Of course, with your viewpoints being that all women are the devil, I'd say that last point likely rings true in your twisted brain.

So yes, the justice system 50 years ago was different. There was no "victim of society" defenses that were tossed out there. People were held accountable for their actions and imprisoned accordingly. And many served their time fully before being released and were responsible citizens afterwards. Fast forward fifty years and how many people go back up for repeat offenses after being released?

So I restate my original opinion that after serving their time and a monitoring period to ensure the behavior isn't repeated the restrictions should be eased for violent offenders. I'm not talking about the local chop shop that gets raided and the boys and girls are sent up for 5-10 with parole after 3. I'm talking rapists, molesters, manslaughter (depending on the circumstances) and other crimes that wouldn't need a weapon to be committed, yet are violent by their very nature.

Reading comprehension. Use it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
How many violent felons from 50 years ago were repeat offenders? Or released early due to overcrowding in prisons? Or during a time when a lawyer could throw out a defense of "the woman had it coming to her" during a rape trial and get away with it? Of course, with your viewpoints being that all women are the devil, I'd say that last point likely rings true in your twisted brain.

So yes, the justice system 50 years ago was different. There was no "victim of society" defenses that were tossed out there. People were held accountable for their actions and imprisoned accordingly. And many served their time fully before being released and were responsible citizens afterwards. Fast forward fifty years and how many people go back up for repeat offenses after being released?

So I restate my original opinion that after serving their time and a monitoring period to ensure the behavior isn't repeated the restrictions should be eased for violent offenders. I'm not talking about the local chop shop that gets raided and the boys and girls are sent up for 5-10 with parole after 3. I'm talking rapists, molesters, manslaughter (depending on the circumstances) and other crimes that wouldn't need a weapon to be committed, yet are violent by their very nature.

Reading comprehension. Use it.
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MALCOLM X AND HIS GUN
 
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Grand Vol said:
How many violent felons from 50 years ago were repeat offenders? Or released early due to overcrowding in prisons? Or during a time when a lawyer could throw out a defense of "the woman had it coming to her" during a rape trial and get away with it? Of course, with your viewpoints being that all women are the devil, I'd say that last point likely rings true in your twisted brain.
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Do you really want to know why prisons are overcrowded now, but weren't overcrowded 50 years ago? :birgits_giggle:
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Do you really want to know why prisons are overcrowded now, but weren't overcrowded 50 years ago? :birgits_giggle:
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Are we going to talk about the war on drugs again?

And your picture of Malcolm X is certainly a good example of a convicted felon, non-violent type, getting the right to own firearms back. Even though he didn't and likely wouldn't during that period of time, but what was he sent up for? Larceny? Would he be a good candidate for what I proposed? Perhaps so. While I don't support his rhetoric during the NOI time frame, he wasn't a violent offender after being released.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Do you really want to know why prisons are overcrowded now, but weren't overcrowded 50 years ago? :birgits_giggle:
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I have no knowledge of this but I can take a pretty good guess. The war on drugs. I'd also go further and say most of those are marijuana offenses.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Are we going to talk about the war on drugs again?
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Yes, why does that not need to be brought into the discussion? And, as we have learned recently, you also have a significant number of prisoners that are now there for debts (child support). You remove the drug charges and end the debtors prison and we may actually have room for the thieves, rapists, molesters and murderers.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yes, why does that not need to be brought into the discussion? And, as we have learned recently, you also have a significant number of prisoners that are now there for debts (child support). You remove the drug charges and end the debtors prison and we may actually have room for the thieves, rapists, molesters and murderers.
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Don't forget immigration imprisonment. I'd guess that 1/2 of the prison population would be accounted to drugs and immigration. All this talk about why people are imprisoned due to their nature of crime still doesn't make my view of felons carrying guns any different. It goes to a different subject, as to why you are considered a felon.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Yes, why does that not need to be brought into the discussion? And, as we have learned recently, you also have a significant number of prisoners that are now there for debts (child support). You remove the drug charges and end the debtors prison and we may actually have room for the thieves, rapists, molesters and murderers.
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I tend not to get involved in the war on drugs conversations. Normally for a good reason. But let's just say we live in your fairy tale world of unicorns riding over rainbows and ****ting out pots of gold and suddenly everything is legal.

Do we pardon the masses already in prison for their offenses? Mind you, the offenses at the time were illegal so grandfathering would come into play. Do we reduce the sentences? Let them all go? Retry everything? Strike the felony or misdemeanor charges from the records of those that served their time and were released? What's the answer there?

That sticky point needs to be addressed prior to any legalization efforts. Now is it fair to reduce sentences for those convicted under the old laws that suddenly become legal? Can you exonerate thousands of people that were doing something against the law at the time?

I've said before and I'll say it again, I'm open for any discussion and ideas about the war on drugs. But, as I've stated before, I'm not sure you would like the outcome once the government gets to tax and regulate it. That's a point that's normally ignored and overlooked. Do you really want the government regulating the drug trade?
 
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Grand Vol said:
I tend not to get involved in the war on drugs conversations. Normally for a good reason. But let's just say we live in your fairy tale world of unicorns riding over rainbows and ****ting out pots of gold and suddenly everything is legal.

Do we pardon the masses already in prison for their offenses? Mind you, the offenses at the time were illegal so grandfathering would come into play. Do we reduce the sentences? Let them all go? Retry everything? Strike the felony or misdemeanor charges from the records of those that served their time and were released? What's the answer there?

That sticky point needs to be addressed prior to any legalization efforts. Now is it fair to reduce sentences for those convicted under the old laws that suddenly become legal? Can you exonerate thousands of people that were doing something against the law at the time?

I've said before and I'll say it again, I'm open for any discussion and ideas about the war on drugs. But, as I've stated before, I'm not sure you would like the outcome once the government gets to tax and regulate it. That's a point that's normally ignored and overlooked. Do you really want the government regulating the drug trade?
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You act as though this would be some kind of inconvenience to try to sort out.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Which isn't an answer to my question(s)
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I guess I don't understand what the problem would be with setting people free and even doing so with those that are in jail at the time it becomes legal. If someone is in jail on multiple charges and one of those just happens to be possession or distribution, then you remove those charges from their record, but keep the other charges on their record.
 
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Nelly Arrested and Charged With Felony Drug Possession | Rolling Stone

In a statement (via CNN), the rapper's attorney Scott Rosenblum said, "Nelly was one of several individuals that was on a tour bus that was stopped and searched while traveling through Tennessee. In fact, there had been 15-20 people that had access to the bus prior to the stop. Allegedly, a small quantity of contraband (MDMA aka Molly or Ecstasy) was discovered during the routine search. We are extremely confident that when the facts come out, Nelly will not be associated with the contraband that was allegedly discovered."
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So how can you prove that the drugs belonged to Nelly?
 
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golfballs said:
Why blame this on the police? In this case they are literally just doing their jobs - enforcing the law.

Take issues with the laws if you must
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No, I take issue with them.

If you're executing laws written in Nazi Germany....I don't give you a pass for "just doing their jobs."
 
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thehardknoxlife said:
I have no knowledge of this but I can take a pretty good guess. The war on drugs. I'd also go further and say most of those are marijuana offenses.
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I've never heard of anyone doing real time in prison unless they're caught with an insane amount
 
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865dude said:
I've never heard of anyone doing real time in prison unless they're caught with an insane amount
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Just the first thing I ran into on a Google search.

Louisianan Given 13-Year Prison Sentence for Possession of Two Marijuana Cigarettes | Drug Policy Alliance

“Thirteen years in prison for two joints is obscene,” said Daniel Abrahamson, director of the Office of Legal Affairs for the Drug Policy Alliance and a lead author of the brief. “The punishment is so far out of proportion to the conduct that we really can’t call it ‘punishment’ – it is more like torture.”

While Noble has two prior low-level nonviolent drug offenses that occurred 8 and 20 years respectively before his arrest in this case, he has never been convicted of anything more serious than possession of drugs for personal use. Because of these prior, albeit dated drug offenses Mr. Noble fell within Louisiana’s Habitual Offender Statute, which brings his sentence for his marijuana possession offense to thirteen and one-third years and deprived him of the opportunity for earlier release on parole.
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