Ray Lewis Retires

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voldawgforever said:
As it turns out, those 2 men stabbed themselves to death that night, and Ray and his buddies sped off at the same time, to hit the beer store before it closed? idk
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Good to see that you view accused and convicted as synonymous. Unfortunately, they are not synonyms. Lewis was accused, and that is all.
 
#28
#28
Spin it how you like.. with the acquittal and all. But he did chit can that white suit he was wearing that night for a reason and he did admit that the story he gave the police the morning after was deceitful.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Spin it how you like.. with the acquittal and all. But he did chit can that white suit he was wearing that night for a reason and he did admit that the story he gave the police the morning after was deceitful.
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Wait, he was drunk, was being accused of murder, and he lied to the police? I imagine that plenty of individuals who were drunk and accused of murder might lie to the police while they are drunk. It is most likely a very nerve-wracking, intimidating, and confusing time period.

So, at best, one can assert that Lewis lied.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
Spin it how you like.. with the acquittal and all. But he did chit can that white suit he was wearing that night for a reason and he did admit that the story he gave the police the morning after was deceitful.
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Dude's a murderer. And the prosecutor is quite wealthy now. I always secretly hoped he would run a red light, and hit Mike Tysons car.
 
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therealUT said:
Wait, he was drunk, was being accused of murder, and he lied to the police? I imagine that plenty of individuals who were drunk and accused of murder might lie to the police while they are drunk. It is most likely a very nerve-wracking, intimidating, and confusing time period.

So, at best, one can assert that Lewis lied.
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So do you throw away your suits after a night out?
 
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Y'all have fun with it. I'm outta here. BTW, that wasn't me that posted that stuff above ^^^ it was somebody else.
 
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voldawgforever said:
Dude's a murderer. And the prosecutor is quite wealthy now. I always secretly hoped he would run a red light, and hit Mike Tysons car.
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I am not going to say he is murderer, and that isn't anyone's assertion to make. But I don't think he is lily white from the incident either. Lots of loose strings that were never tied. Quite unfortunate too. As two families lost two young men without reason or justice.
 
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Scotty's Flat Top said:
So do you throw away your suits after a night out?
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No, but then again, I am not a millionaire who could sit around burning $100 bills all day, either.

There was certainly a fight, that is indisputable. What is in question is whether any of the three in question had a knife and stabbed the victims. There is no proof that they did. Having been in a fight or two, I imagine that there probably was blood on the white suit, maybe a spilled drink, etc. Why would Lewis waste time with having the suit cleaned when he could easily buy a brand new suit?

Again, innocent until proven guilty; and the burden of proof, beyond a reasonable doubt, is on the prosecution. Seeing as how none of the three individuals were convicted, I fail to see why so many continue to label Lewis as a murderer.
 
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Also, I will say that regardless of his role in the "murder" and whether or not his celebrity bought him a second chance.. he has been a model citizen and does a great deal for his communities, children in general, and other philantrophic endeavors. Which is quite commendable and respectful regardless of past.
 
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Even though I don't think he did it. I still would not want to knock over his pint.
 
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therealUT said:
No, but then again, I am not a millionaire who could sit around burning $100 bills all day, either.

There was certainly a fight, that is indisputable. What is in question is whether any of the three in question had a knife and stabbed the victims. There is no proof that they did. Having been in a fight or two, I imagine that there probably was blood on the white suit, maybe a spilled drink, etc. Why would Lewis waste time with having the suit cleaned when he could easily buy a brand new suit?Again, innocent until proven guilty; and the burden of proof, beyond a reasonable doubt, is on the prosecution. Seeing as how none of the three individuals were convicted, I fail to see why so many continue to label Lewis as a murderer.
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Not impossible, but would be very convenient considering the circumstance that ensued that night. I am going to say that is a doubtful scenario at best. Also, I'd like to imagine Ray didn't purchase his suit at Men's Warehouse. Talking custom tailored suit from brands such as Vuitton, Gucci, etc. I don't think a man would simply throw away a suit of that stature over a spilled Tom Collins.
 
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therealUT said:
Again, innocent until proven guilty; and the burden of proof, beyond a reasonable doubt, is on the prosecution. Seeing as how none of the three individuals were convicted, I fail to see why so many continue to label Lewis as a murderer.
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All of that has to do with why he wasn't convicted in a court of law. What does any of that have to with someones opinion of him?

Judging from the facts of the case as I remember them I formed the opinion that it appeared Lewis was involved in some fashion, to what extent seemed impossible to discern. Due to the fact that there wasn't enough evidence to confirm that involvement meant there was no conviction but that doesn't change my opinion.

Cases have to be proven but my opinion doesn't, same for anyone who disagrees with mine.
 
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NochNoch said:
All of that has to do with why he wasn't convicted in a court of law. What does any of that have to with someones opinion of him?

Judging from the facts of the case as I remember them I formed the opinion that it appeared Lewis was involved in some fashion, to what extent seemed impossible to discern. Due to the fact that there wasn't enough evidence to confirm that involvement meant there was no conviction but that doesn't change my opinion.

Cases have to be proven but my opinion doesn't, same for anyone who disagrees with mine.
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You do realize that you are forming your opinion on what is vastly insufficient evidence, right? That the "facts of the case" that you are privy do not consist of the entirety of the collected evidence, right?

Sure, you can say that "judging from what I understand of the case, I think he is guilty", but you must always qualify your opinion in that manner.

I certainly think that the case ought to have gone to trial, but I was nowhere near convinced that Lewis was guilty and the evidence is not convincing. The publicly available evidence is suggestive, at best. Why tear a guy down as a terrible human being or as someone you have no respect for when it is clear that you do not have enough evidence to come to an objective conclusion?

Lewis has spent nearly twenty years giving to charity, taking part in charity events, and has, for the most part, stayed out of trouble. Further, even though he was not convicted of either murder or conspiracy, he settled with the families of the slain and set them up rather comfortably. Of course, there are probably self-interested reasons at play in doing so, but he did not have to settle. He could have fought those civil suits and it is reasonable to believe that he could have won those cases (remember, he was not charged with murder and the two that were were acquitted).

Life is too short to go around believing that everyone who has been accused of wrongdoing actually committed the wrong act in question.
 
#49
#49
He'll get a gig on ESPN along with a lot of other "has beens" & "never was's" collecting a check to reminisce on his playing days.
 
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therealUT said:
You do realize that you are forming your opinion on what is vastly insufficient evidence, right? That the "facts of the case" that you are privy do not consist of the entirety of the collected evidence, right?
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Yes, I am very well aware of that but, at that point, it was all I had to form an opinion on and forming an opinion on evidence, albeit incomplete, is in no way analogous to reaching a verdict with the same.

therealUT said:
Sure, you can say that "judging from what I understand of the case, I think he is guilty", but you must always qualify your opinion in that manner.
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Who says I didn't do so? I prefaced my statement by saying that and also stated that I thought it appeared there was some involvement but qualified it by saying I had no idea to what extent.

therealUT said:
Why tear a guy down as a terrible human being or as someone you have no respect for when it is clear that you do not have enough evidence to come to an objective conclusion?
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I never said I did either of those things but respect for someone, like an opinion, does not need to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in court. Lewis put himself in a situation, two men died, he was in some way associated and, given the information that came to light, caused me to lose some amount of respect for him.

therealUT said:
Life is too short to go around believing that everyone who has been accused of wrongdoing actually committed the wrong act in question.
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I fail to see how saying I thought Lewis was in some way involved with the incident equals me "believing that everyone who has been accused of wrongdoing actually committed the wrong act in question" but okay. And thank you for informing how short life is.
 
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