Reason for McRae not redshirting?

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JZVOL said:
I bet he was 230 as a freshman.
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No I guess he was 6'9" and 180 lbs based on the combined knowledge here. Well, listed at 180 but more like 170. Yeah Ok I get the point, most forwards in the SEC weight less than 180lbs. Sorry, yes, you are correct he will average 20+ points per game and dominate the league. Should have dominated last year as well with that frame.
 
#27
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CashMcCall said:
No I guess he was 6'9" and 180 lbs based on the combined knowledge here. Well, listed at 180 but more like 170. Yeah Ok I get the point, most forwards in the SEC weight less than 180lbs. Sorry, yes, you are correct he will average 20+ points per game and dominate the league. Should have dominated last year as well with that frame.
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The point is that being a successful 2 or 3 doesn't require the player to be a bodybuilder.
 
#28
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CashMcCall said:
No I guess he was 6'9" and 180 lbs based on the combined knowledge here. Well, listed at 180 but more like 170. Yeah Ok I get the point, most forwards in the SEC weight less than 180lbs. Sorry, yes, you are correct he will average 20+ points per game and dominate the league. Should have dominated last year as well with that frame.
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acting like his frame was the problem makes you look idiotic. Now, remind me how big Reggie Martin was. Maybe you'll remember that Jordan was a giant at UNC. Oops, nevermind, we weren't going to go there.
 
#29
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BigPapaVol said:
acting like his frame was the problem makes you look idiotic. Now, remind me how big Reggie Martin was. Maybe you'll remember that Jordan was a giant at UNC. Oops, nevermind, we weren't going to go there.
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Didn't you know? You have to be the size of an NFL tight end to play the 2 in the SEC.
 
#30
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BigPapaVol said:
acting like his frame was the problem makes you look idiotic. Now, remind me how big Reggie Martin was. Maybe you'll remember that Jordan was a giant at UNC. Oops, nevermind, we weren't going to go there.
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Your statement was Durant was similar in size to Jordan McRae. Its an apples and oranges comparison. Durant was 225 by the end of his freshman year. None of the players you have mentioned hit the floor at even 180lbs, but I doubt Jordan weights that much.
 
#31
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CashMcCall said:
Your statement was Durant was similar in size to Jordan McRae. Its an apples and oranges comparison. Durant was 225 by the end of his freshman year. None of the players you have mentioned hit the floor at even 180lbs, but I doubt Jordan weights that much.
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Exactly. Durant looked more like he was around 265 to me. Cat was huge by tourney time at Texas.
 
#32
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CashMcCall said:
Your statement was Durant was similar in size to Jordan McRae. Its an apples and oranges comparison. Durant was 225 by the end of his freshman year. None of the players you have mentioned hit the floor at even 180lbs, but I doubt Jordan weights that much.
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You clearly can't read. Nobody said the two were similar in size. Durant was pointed out because he's a waif and he dominated at the collegiate level, as have hundreds of others. Durant was not 225 at the end of his freshman year and I don't care who says he might have been.
 
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#37
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CashMcCall said:
Your statement was Durant was similar in size to Jordan McRae. Its an apples and oranges comparison. Durant was 225 by the end of his freshman year. None of the players you have mentioned hit the floor at even 180lbs, but I doubt Jordan weights that much.
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Because it's easy to gain weight during the season...
 
#38
#38
BigPapaVol said:
copying numbers from the garbage released via SID makes you look more absurd than the crap about a skinny kid being unable to play.
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I was listed at 195 lbs as a freshman, but the odd thing was after two-a-days I was about 175 lbs.
 
#40
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If you think Durant was 225 as a freshman at Texas then you need to seek medical help.

The man could not bench 150 pounds once. 150 pounds is stuff most middle schoolers do these days. Being 200 pounds alone almost guarantees the ability to bench 150, let alone a first round NBA athlete.

Durant was 200 AT BEST. I would take my money on the under at that.

(Also, I'm 5'11. but was listed at 6'2 on all my high school stat charts. No way stats lie.)
 
#41
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Daloth said:
If you think Durant was 225 as a freshman at Texas then you need to seek medical help.

The man could not bench 150 pounds once. 150 pounds is stuff most middle schoolers do these days. Being 200 pounds alone almost guarantees the ability to bench 150, let alone a first round NBA athlete.

Durant was 200 AT BEST. I would take my money on the under at that.

(Also, I'm 5'11. but was listed at 6'2 on all my high school stat charts. No way stats lie.)
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Durant wasn't over 170 out of hs, I don't care what was listed.
 
#42
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BigPapaVol said:
You clearly can't read. Nobody said the two were similar in size. Durant was pointed out because he's a waif and he dominated at the collegiate level, as have hundreds of others. Durant was not 225 at the end of his freshman year and I don't care who says he might have been.
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Comparing Durant and McRae in any way is ridiculous. Just because KD dominated as a collegiate bean pole doesn't mean anything relative to this conversation because he has the type talent that comes around about once in 20 years or so. Had McRae displayed that type talent, one, he probably doesn't end up at Tennessee, and two, he would have been our leading scorer and top-5 pick in the draft.

The point is, he wasn't exponentially better than anything we had in front of him last year. He was very immature, both mentally and physically. Talent would have overcome his lack of bulk if he were 6-10 and could handle the ball and shoot like a guard, much like KD did as a freshman. But, he couldn't throw it in the ocean in the playing time he did get, couldn't defend, and was careless with the ball by trying to do too much. To boot, he had a terrible attitude about it and at one point, came to blows with a teammate because of his attitude.
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#43
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cncchris33 said:
Comparing Durant and McRae in any way is ridiculous. Just because KD dominated as a collegiate bean pole doesn't mean anything relative to this conversation because he has the type talent that comes around about once in 20 years or so. Had McRae displayed that type talent, one, he probably doesn't end up at Tennessee, and two, he would have been our leading scorer and top-5 pick in the draft.

The point is, he wasn't exponentially better than anything we had in front of him last year. He was very immature, both mentally and physically. Talent would have overcome his lack of bulk if he were 6-10 and could handle the ball and shoot like a guard, much like KD did as a freshman. But, he couldn't throw it in the ocean in the playing time he did get, couldn't defend, and was careless with the ball by trying to do too much. To boot, he had a terrible attitude about it and at one point, came to blows with a teammate because of his attitude.
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You seem to have totally missed the point of the debate.
 
#45
#45
LawVol13 said:
You seem to have totally missed the point of the debate.
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Nope, I've got a pretty good handle on it.

Some are saying McRae didn't play because of his size while others are using Kevin Durant of all people, as an example to debunk that notion. In between, people are arguing over whether Durant weighed 200 or 205 as a freshman.

That about cover it?

My point is, the argument is stupid if you are using Durant to make your point. Yes, Durant was skinny, but he also was an athletic freak at 6-10 and could handle and shoot the ball like a guard. He was a mismatch at any position in college. McRae has nowhere near that talent or ability to create those type of mismatches on the court, so his size (weight, strength, etc.) does become an issue, whereas KD's size was not an issue because of the immense talent differential. If McRae were that type talent at that height, his slight frame wouldn't be an issue keeping him from seeing the court either. His attitude would have been accepted by most coaches too if he were that kind of player unfortunately.
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#47
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cncchris33 said:
Nope, I've got a pretty good handle on it.

Some are saying McRae didn't play because of his size while others are using Kevin Durant of all people, as an example to debunk that notion. In between, people are arguing over whether Durant weighed 200 or 205 as a freshman.

That about cover it?

My point is, the argument is stupid if you are using Durant to make your point. Yes, Durant was skinny, but he also was an athletic freak at 6-10 and could handle and shoot the ball like a guard. He was a mismatch at any position in college. McRae has nowhere near that talent or ability to create those type of mismatches on the court, so his size (weight, strength, etc.) does become an issue, whereas KD's size was not an issue because of the immense talent differential. If McRae were that type talent at that height, his slight frame wouldn't be an issue keeping him from seeing the court either. His attitude would have been accepted by most coaches too if he were that kind of player unfortunately.
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No one is saying McRae is Durant-like. The point was that there are numerous examples of skinny players being damn good in college. Durant is certainly not the only example. You don't have to bench 350 lbs to be able to play the 2; that's the point.
 
#48
#48
BigPapaVol said:
acting like his frame was the problem makes you look idiotic. Now, remind me how big Reggie Martin was. Maybe you'll remember that Jordan was a giant at UNC. Oops, nevermind, we weren't going to go there.
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Well, given the arbitrariness of CBP, it may well have been why he didn't play. I could imagine the post game quote: "Unless McRae puts on some weight, he's just not going to get Skylar's minutes."
 
#49
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cncchris33 said:
Enlighten me, please.
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Durant is not an athletic freak. His waif stature didnt keep him from playing as the proponent of the skinny = no play argument implied it would have.
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#50
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LawVol13 said:
No one is saying McRae is Durant-like. The point was that there are numerous examples of skinny players being damn good in college. Durant is certainly not the only example. You don't have to bench 350 lbs to be able to play the 2; that's the point.
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Ok. That's what I was assuming, and I can roll with that theory, but I think KD is a bad example. Like you said, he may not be the only example, and if there are others, then my point is that Durant is a bad example for several reasons. Wesley Johnson is perhaps a better example when he was a freshman at Iowa State.

Durant's great talent allowed him to overcome his lack of bulk, while McRae's does not. If KD had Brian Williams-type talent, he would have been eaten alive. Also, Durant's specific skill set allowed him to play outside of the paint where his lack of size was not as much of an issue. He didn't have to consistently bang on the inside with guys who outweighed him by 100 pounds.
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