reasonable defensive minded coachs

[RichRollin]

Ok. Well at least you'll give some credit. Sometimes the job of a rebuilder isn't always seen. Something's are just done and it's a thankless job.

I know Sunseri is looking like a horrible decision, but all knew it was going to be a tough yr. this tough of course not but I'm sure things will be looked at in the spring. But let's be honest...no one knows if he was a cdd first choice or hire or a hart hire.

All I'm trying to say is that there were a lot problems with this program and AD as a whole. Takes time to fix and it all can't be done at once. Something's take time to develop. I want stability in the long term and I see that with CDD. I especially don't with the likes of Gruden.

Derrick Dooley is a stop gap coach. He's done his job and done it quite well if you ask me by building a solid foundation for a REAL COACH to build on. He's done that and now needs to move on. Expecting to win big wasn't something that I expected the day we hired Dooley, it's not something I expect now. He could coach us for 100 years and he would still be a .500 coach. And I'm sorry, but Dooley isn't gonna bring stability to our program. Recruiting is about to be in the sh-ter because he's running out of sales pitches. It doesn't take long to see that he's not on the level of his peers. And at this point and time the recruits and their parents know this, along with the entire nation outside of a handful of blind followers.

 

[BEATBAMA12]

So Dooleys more of a 3and out kinda coach, seems legit, he can go to KU , get them in a good place then hit up Memphis , they need serious help.

 

[Herman Hickman]

Agreed, him and the LaTech coach will be deadly in the SEC , especially ark or auburn

Dykes at Arkie with ties to Texas and Louisiana? Makes sense.

Strong is an Arkie native. Recruiting in a state lacking in talent compared to other sections of the SEC would serve him well with the Razorbacks.

Arkansas isn't a completely dry state for talent, especially with offensive skill players. 7 on 7 football tournaments over the off-season have really given the kids with athleticism a quality skill-set to advance to the college level.

 

[GoLadyVols]

Does anyone know if Hart was the one that chose Sunseri I mean did he push him for the job? If so Hart fires Dooley because of our defense which is what is really hurting us it is not the offense that is killing us. Then I have to look at Hart also as putting us in a place we are at today. But just a honest question that I have wondered about. Anyone know?

 

[RichRollin]

Why is everyone so sour on Strong? He wasn't in my top 5, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. Those trying to discredit what he's doing in the Big East might wanna rethink that. Urban Meyer went undefeated at Utah and did relatively decent in the SEC. Utah played in a pathetic league at that time. Many top coaches did well at small schools before joining the big dance. Schools in far worse conferences than the Big East. Look, these things don't happen by accident. Being undefeated means one thing and one thing only....dude can flipping coach. He's turned Louisville around pretty quick.

I also remember how losing Strong and Mullen crippled Urban at UF. Many point to Teblow...I think losing Strong and Mullen were Meyer's downfall, JMO. If we land a stud coach that's fine. He's not tops on my list by any means. But if it came down to it, turning our noses up to Strong would be a big mistake IMO.

 

[carpbc]

You smoking crack man strong is light years different than dooley a lot of you guys said that about Sullivan and look at Tamu now. This guy has experience as a coordinator on national championship teams not a te coach. He has also had 3 winning season no loosing.seasons

Even Smokey the Bear is light years ahead of Dooley... I'm saying that I'm agreeing with ya! ><>

 

[BEATBAMA12]

@Rich
Didn't strong have a lot to do with recruiting like 12 of UFs players? He's got big fans in Florida , Jeff Demps went to UF because of Strong, (he told me so, when I met him at my gf hotel here in Memphis) but he went Olympic . Anyway Strong should be considered, don't think he'd be to happy playing in Chick-fil-A bowls every year.

 

[BEATBAMA12]

Even Smokey the Bear is light years ahead of Dooley... I'm saying that I'm agreeing with ya! ><>

Smokey could smell a horses @$$ hundreds of miles away!

 

[KCVolLaw]

Strong would be a great hire. But that would be too rational for 80% of the posters on VN. He's going to get an SEC job sooner rather than later, and we should hope its with us.

 

[countryboysc17]

Shawn Zobel &#8207;@ShawnZobel_DHQ
I was also told today that Alabama DC Kirby Smart could be the next head coach of the Tennessee Volunteers

 

[leftyvol34]

I look at some of these post and dont know wether to laugh or be embarrased to be a VOLS fan!! Derek Dooley is an outstanding coach who inhereted an absolute mess. He took the job when nobody else wanted to touch it! It's the trash talk like what goes on in these forums that have the program where it is now! All I heard was fire Fullmer!! Fire Fulmer!! All he did was win 2 out of every three SEC games he coached. But a couple down seasons and most said he was done. Give me a break. Before you go firing somebody you need to understand what the consequenses could be. Getting rid of Dooley now is the absolte wrong decision!!! Dooley deserves a minimum of at least one more year to get results on the field. Do you honestly believe the program is not in better shape now than when he took over? If not, you need to look at something other than wins and losses. The man has done a fantastic job trying to resurect a once powerful program. Rome was not built in a day people!!!! If he does for some reason get fired, Im sure his next program will be successful under his leadership if he is given the proper amount of time!!

 

[RichRollin]

@Rich
Didn't strong have a lot to do with recruiting like 12 of UFs players? He's got big fans in Florida , Jeff Demps went to UF because of Strong, (he told me so, when I met him at my gf hotel here in Memphis) but he went Olympic . Anyway Strong should be considered, don't think he'd be to happy playing in Chick-fil-A bowls every year.

He pulled his weight at UF in both recruiting and coaching. And I do understand why some would question his abilities due to his success being in the Big East, truly I do. But we've seen numerous guys win at a lower level or in a lesser conference then do it on a larger scale. He's doing it in the Big East but he's pretty much doing it with Big East talent. There's not a doubt in my mind that Charlie Strong could pull elite talent to The University of Tennessee and compete in this league. If a guy can coach he can coach.

I'm not gonna lie, I want John Gruden. Then when some were chattering about him going to the Eagles if Andy Ried gets axed, I started thinking "hell, we should just hire Andy Ried"....and I'm serious. But I understand it's rather far fetched to think something like that might unfold. Point being, if the so called "rock star" hire doesn't happen, I would be more than pleased with a Charlie Strong.

 

[RichRollin]

Shawn Zobel &#8207;@ShawnZobel_DHQ
I was also told today that Alabama DC Kirby Smart could be the next head coach of the Tennessee Volunteers

I hope they don't go that route. Laugh if you want....I would prefer they bring back John Chavis as HC/DC and keep the entire offensive staff we have now before hiring Smart.

 

[Oskie Volum]

So let me get this right you are willing to give Dooley 5-6 years but would expect the next coach to win immediately.

If Bray,Hunter and CP go pro the remaining roster will be worse than what Dooley inherited. The defensive freshmen we have on roster are just to slow and will not be able to compete in the SEC. The next coach would need at least 2 seasons to get a roster on defense to ever compete in the SEC.

I believe it takes time and given it cdd can put it together. Unfortunatly he doesn't have a patient fan base that understands the importance of doing this rebuild correctly now. Not keep pushing it with a 4th coach in 5 yrs.

If cdd wins out I believe he deserves to stay. If he loses a game then I honestly can't expect hart to keep him. I would prefer he is kept, but realistically I can't expect it. If he were to win out and he is fired then to me that means that Hart believes the programs foundation is set and completed. So yes I expect the next coach to come in and succeed ASAP. Especially if it's the likes of Gruden who will be getting paid 5+ mil a yr. 1.8 mil a yr for cdd, which is currently one of the lowest salaries in the market, to do all the crap work and take on all the stress. Then pay a guy 2-3 times more to ride cdds hard work and not expect instant success??? Give me a break.

Just IMHO that's all..

 

[RichRollin]

I believe it takes time and given it cdd can put it together. Unfortunatly he doesn't have a patient fan base that understands the importance of doing this rebuild correctly now. Not keep pushing it with a 4th coach in 5 yrs.

If cdd wins out I believe he deserves to stay. If he loses a game then I honestly can't expect hart to keep him. I would prefer he is kept, but realistically I can't expect it. If he were to win out and he is fired then to me that means that Hart believes the programs foundation is set and completed. So yes I expect the next coach to come in and succeed ASAP. Especially if it's the likes of Gruden who will be getting paid 5+ mil a yr. 1.8 mil a yr for cdd, which is currently one of the lowest salaries in the market, to do all the crap work and take on all the stress. Then pay a guy 2-3 times more to ride cdds hard work and not expect instant success??? Give me a break.

Just IMHO that's all..

I'm not sure it's that Dooley has an impatient fanbase as much as is it he has a SMART fanbase.

The inability to manage his timeouts and personel one of the more telling things. Against UGA, Miss St, Bama, and Troy he's had to use a second half timeout due to the number of players on the field. In 3 of these four games these were costly timeouts and in two of the four he had to blow the timeout on FG block team. I remember when he had several issues with personel in the UAB game...you know the one where he was vastly out coached. After the game he said he would get it fixed. The next week was the LSU game and we all know what happened. And we are still doing the same thing. I would love for someone to explain that to me...I truly would.

The other day, we had Troy backed up to the goal line with a 3rd and 17. We played a one deep safety and got gashed for a first down. The safety was two steps late with his help over the top for Prentiss. Why would you load the box on 3rd and 17? Perhaps to stop the draw play that they were converting 3rd and 15s on?

These guys are clearly in over their heads. These guys struggle with the basic fundamentals of football. Do you not think the parents of recruits sit back and watch this stuff? If you we're a recruit with no ties to Tennessee, can you honestly say you would play for these clowns over other top coaches and top programs?