Reasonable fans post game discussion

[zjcvols]

Here’s a good example. First play.

Why is Fulkerson 19 feet from the basket throwing a post entry to ON on the same side? What is JJJ doing here? Santi should be in the corner. Just bad overall spacing and design. Fulky should not be that close to ON throwing a post entry. And the play? Turnover on the entry pass. This is bad basketball.

 

[zjcvols]

Fulky and Uros only set picks on the perimeter. Maybe it’s time for James to do the same?

Yes. JJJ isn’t a catch and shoot guy. Getting involved in doing something other than catch and shoot where teams are starting to overload away from his side would help some.

I personally think spacing with four out and having someone besides in the lineup OR have ON work way more on the perimeter is a good start…but that would require going away from the 3-2 motion

 

[VolPack22]

We need some officials who continue to call fouls even if lsu already has been tagged way more. Zebras trying to even out the calls over the course of the game really plays into what lsu is trying to do

Players need to do better at executing down the stretch of games. Vescovi cut it to 71-66 with 3 minutes left. Next two possessions end with a KC layup blocked and KC turnover leading to a layup on the other end. If we convert those possessions then we are either tied 71-71 or at worst down 71-70. Players need to step up when the game is on the line, especially the 5 star PG. You cannot be careless with the ball in those situations whenever you are suppose to be THE GUY. It’s just that simple.

 

[zjcvols]

Here’s another one early. This shot drove me insane. JJJ makes a good play and forces a turnover. We move the ball up quick. Look at the 3 on 2. Perfect situation to get to the rim or get an open 3.

What in gods name is JJJ doing pulling up? This is a TERRIBLE shot. Horrific. This isn’t his game. This is bad offense. “Oh look how how fans wanted more 3’s and our offense still isn’t good, lol you know nothing” well yeah I don’t want pull up 3’s by a 23% shooter on a pull up with 28 seconds left in the shot clock!

 

[zjcvols]

Here’s another one early. This shot drove me insane. JJJ makes a good play and forces a turnover. We move the ball up quick. Look at the 3 on 2. Perfect situation to get to the rim or get an open 3.

What in gods name is JJJ doing pulling up? This is a TERRIBLE shot. Horrific. This isn’t his game. This is bad offense. “Oh look how how fans wanted more 3’s and our offense still isn’t good, lol you know nothing” well yeah I don’t want pull up 3’s by a 23% shooter on a pull up with 28 seconds left in the shot clock!

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By the way, this would be consider a “good look” in the automated stat sheet but not one UT fans thinks this is what we want.

 

[mtvols]

Here’s another one early. This shot drove me insane. JJJ makes a good play and forces a turnover. We move the ball up quick. Look at the 3 on 2. Perfect situation to get to the rim or get an open 3.

What in gods name is JJJ doing pulling up? This is a TERRIBLE shot. Horrific. This isn’t his game. This is bad offense. “Oh look how how fans wanted more 3’s and our offense still isn’t good, lol you know nothing” well yeah I don’t want pull up 3’s by a 23% shooter on a pull up with 28 seconds left in the shot clock!

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That’s on Barnes - he preaches to them to shoot if you are open. Some players should not have the green light.

 

[zjcvols]

Oh man another one. I’m on a roll with my Wings getting slaughtered by the Kings.

Man watching Chandler get pulled for a bad decision and seeing JJJ take another shot early like this. Off a turnover. Ziegler pushes it. LSU gets back not much there. Santi drives and hits JJJ in the corner. Uros has good position. Santi should immediately get back to the 3P line or clear harder. He does neither. And then JJJ inexplicably takes this with 25 seconds. Doesn’t even look at Uros, just immediate shot. Terrible offense by JJJ here. That’s not on Barnes. That’s low IQ ball.

 

[zjcvols]

You can argue this is on KC but look at the spacing. JJJ in a nice spot. What is ON doing? Bailey and Santi are nowhere near ready to get in shot position. There are four Tigers in the paint because the spacing is so poor. Maybe KC took off too early but there has to be better cohesion. This is what we call bad “floor balance”. Three guys are in bad spots and not in position to catch and make a play. Kennedy is forced to take a bad shot and he misses.

 

[zjcvols]

JJJ is…man. Look at this

He has so much room. We have decent floor balance. His man is in the middle of the close out. This is an easy drive to the right hit ON for an easy layup. HE SHOOTS A 3!!! WHY ARE YOU SHOOTING THIS WITH 18 SECONDS DUDE?!?!?! You’re a 23% shooter this year!!!!! You have to have a better IQ. This isn’t on Barnes. This is ego, thinking you’re better at something when you aren’t. You’re a junior. This is an inexcusable shot.

 

[zjcvols]

There is 7 seconds here. KC has to go. Uros is in a good spot. When ZZ’s man comes over to help he should be closer to the line. Santi is not making the right move here. He’s moving away from KC’s eye sight and bringing his man closer to KC to defend. ON…baby what is you doin’? Why are you taking away driving space for KC? Why aren’t you setting for a shot or in the corner so Ziegler can potentially move to his left and get a better look? Once again, bad floor balance.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

JJJ is…man. Look at this View attachment 426998

He has so much room. We have decent floor balance. His man is in the middle of the close out. This is an easy drive to the right hit ON for an easy layup. HE SHOOTS A 3!!! WHY ARE YOU SHOOTING THIS WITH 18 SECONDS DUDE?!?!?! You’re a 23% shooter this year!!!!! You have to have a better IQ. This isn’t on Barnes. This is ego, thinking you’re better at something when you aren’t. You’re a junior. This is an inexcusable shot.

If he wasn’t a lefty that should be an easy drive to the basket. Dude is overplaying the heck out of JJJ’s strong hand. Maybe that’s his issue. SV’s right hand is much better. Maybe JJJ’s hasn’t improved. For some, their weak hand might never get better.

You ought to include one second before and after. You can’t tell that well with a single pic what’s happening.

 

[i2amavol]

In order to prevent this from being an echo chamber, what's causing the team to perform a little below expectations?

Is it assimilating freshmen, misses with transfers, lack of continued development from bigs, upperclassmen not performing to recruiting rankings, assistant turnover, combo of all the above?

I think many of the young guys will come around. It just takes time. I haven't looked at the stats, but it is encouraging that Mashack is still getting minutes. Hopefuly, a couple of: Hatfield, Aidoo and Dibounje can start contributing more as well, before tourney time.

It doesn't help to have our top two guys get COVID. It seems we never want to make excuses, but it is obviously affecting Fulky again, and probably Chandler just a bit as well. I know when I had it, I didn't feel totally better for at least a couple of weeks.

 

[zjcvols]

So we got Fulky FT’s out of this. KC made a nice play. Look at the spacing here. I like this design



But look at the second pic. Ugggghhhh. Why is Mashack not in the corner?!?? He’s literally bringing his man to KC. Why is Victor Bailey cutting?!?!?! Just little things like this annoy me

 

[zjcvols]

If he wasn’t a lefty that should be an easy drive to the basket. Dude is overplaying the heck out of JJJ’s strong hand. Maybe that’s his issue. SV’s right hand is much better. Maybe JJJ’s hasn’t improved. For some, their weak hand might never get better.

You ought to include one second before and after. You can’t tell that well with a single pic what’s happening.

He is a college junior. A highly ranked one at that. You simply cannot make that terrible of a decision even if your opposite hand is poor.

 

[BreatheUT]

Iowa State remade their team this year. Baylor and Houston has had a lot of transfers and were in Final 4. Gonzaga took the next step up with their program a few years back with transfers.

And the transfers helped Arky last year.

Texas Tech is made up of transfers.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

He is a college junior. A highly ranked one at that. You simply cannot make that terrible of a decision even if your opposite hand is poor.

His high school rating was estimated based on his play versus a lot of 2 stars, 1 stars, and zero stars. How well somebody is able to develop their weak hand is going to be a shot in the dark. That might could be exactly why he’s playing out more like a 3 star than a 4/5 star. The football team just landed a 2 star transfer that sounds more like a 5 star.

 

[zjcvols]

Man….



Okay good initial design. PNR with Uros and get a switch. The problem here? Personnel. We have Fulk/Uros/Mashack/JJJ…no shooters. Look how tight LSU has this packed in. We can’t take advantage of KC iso’d on a big because LSU is playing completely off Fulk and JJJ. Then Fulky is setting a back screen here. Since KC gives it off quickly, I’m making an assumption this is designed.

And once again, JJJ takes and bricks a quick 3. First off KC shouldn’t give this up so early with this matchup but considering the back screen and the quick shot this seems designed so I won’t fault him. But this is bad offensive design. You shouldn’t get a switch like this and option 1 be JJJ for a 3 with 14 seconds off a back screen. LSU says thank you for the useless possession and gets to the FT line on a loose ball foul.

 

[zjcvols]

His high school rating was estimated based on his play versus a lot of 2 stars, 1 stars, and zero stars. How well somebody is able to develop their weak hand is going to be a shot in the dark. That might could be exactly why he’s playing out more like a 3 star than a 4/5 star. The football team just landed a 2 star transfer that sounds more like a 5 star.

Then that’s on JJJ and the coaching staff. If you can’t go to your weak side as a junior on a play like that, then either the development plan isn’t working or JJJ isn’t doing what needs to be done. I was the most mediocre HS bball player ever and could go to my weak side drive on a play like that. I’m gonna say that’s not the case and JJJ made a low IQ play instead.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Then that’s on JJJ and the coaching staff. If you can’t go to your weak side as a junior on a play like that, then either the development plan isn’t working or JJJ isn’t doing what needs to be done. I was the most mediocre HS bball player ever and could go to my weak side drive on a play like that. I’m gonna say that’s not the case and JJJ made a low IQ play instead.

I’ll be watching to see if he goes right at all. Either that defender is really far off and JJJ must take the wide open 3 or the amount of overplay on the strong hand is insane.

The still pics are nice, but the game moves really fast. It’s already too fast for 3 refs to keep up.

 

[ColinS]

If he wasn’t a lefty that should be an easy drive to the basket. Dude is overplaying the heck out of JJJ’s strong hand. Maybe that’s his issue. SV’s right hand is much better. Maybe JJJ’s hasn’t improved. For some, their weak hand might never get better.

You ought to include one second before and after. You can’t tell that well with a single pic what’s happening.

I was thinking the same thing. It would take JJJ 30 seconds to get to that basket dribbling to his right. Shouldn't he be on the other side?

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I was thinking the same thing. It would take JJJ 30 seconds to get to that basket dribbling to his right. Shouldn't he be on the other side?

I’m confused and it’s late. JJJ is a lefty. I’m not sure what you mean. “He” being the defender? Or do you mean JJJ should be on the left wing?

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

There was a stat about all of the fouls that Fulk drew last week. Who drew the fouls on LSU? TN nearly had a huge advantage. Too bad the refs allowed all the rough play at the end.

 

[DonDiego]

In order to prevent this from being an echo chamber, what's causing the team to perform a little below expectations?

Is it assimilating freshmen, misses with transfers, lack of continued development from bigs, upperclassmen not performing to recruiting rankings, assistant turnover, combo of all the above?

No alpha leader, which causes this team to have a 'lack of identity '. This team has a bunch of really good players, who each has a really good strength. When you look at each player and his strength you think, wow, this should make a great team in the aggregate. Unfortunately, not so. To be great, they need a go-to guy, usually a strong forward or post, to take over and will the win (think Grant Williams or Rennia Davis (LV)). Maybe Fulky will wake up, but I doubt he has the real talent to take us to the promised land.

 

[zjcvols]

Here the other thing that I think people will be really surprised by.

eFG% is a very good stat to measure your ability to either hit shots or to judge a coach and see how many quality looks a coach’s team is getting. It takes out turnover rate and offensive rebounding percentage which are important but I’d say is more controlled by players than coaches. That’s effort and IQ.

If you take out 2019, where Tennessee hit an incredibly unusual amount of mid range jumpers that year (thanks statsbywill), the last Rick Barnes team to finish top 100 in eFG% is 2010 (77th overall) and that’s the only top 100 finish in the last 15 years. The last time a Rick Barnes team was top 50 in eFG% was 2005.

Since 2000, Barnes’ teams have finished top 100 in eFG% just 5x times and only have been top 50 3x times.

It’s simple. Despite a lot of strengths, Barnes’ teams consistently do not get good looks or consistently hit shots. He isn’t a good offensive coach.

 

[cncchris33]

I think I’ve finally figured out why Uros gets minutes every game - the effort is there the whole time he plays. I’ve been posting how I wish he would start trying to dunk every time he touches the ball in the paint and he tried to tonight. If the officials would start officiating him fairly he would be even more productive. I thought the intentional foul they called on him should have been a foul on the lsu guy and Uros got hit in the head when the guy blocked his dunk attempt. Hope this game builds his confidence some and he can become better from it.

Thought the exact same thing on the hook-and-hold called on Uros. Officials weren't too good in this one.