"Recovery speed" Interesting comment from coach J

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orevol never seen a busted coverage before? Happens all the time on qb scramble plays. You think the cb is coached to bite and leave his man in the endzone?

that whole thing starts with no outside containment. As many bad plays did.
 
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It's never all ONE aspect of anything as complex as a defense (sometimes people look burned when they were expecting help over the top and it wasn't there) but, at the risk of getting overly semantic, to me "recovery" speed actually means once you've already been beat. If that were not the case what would one be "recovering" from?

Sometimes the receiver beats you off the line. Sometimes you might get caught peeking a bit into the backfield. Maybe you didn't do anything wrong but are left with somebody headed for your endzone because somebody fell down. Whatever the reason may be as a DB one can often find oneself in need of closing ground quickly. Being able to do just that is, to me, recovery speed...and it's a jolly good thing to have on one's defense.
 
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hndog609 said:
It's never all ONE aspect of anything as complex as a defense (sometimes people look burned when they were expecting help over the top and it wasn't there) but, at the risk of getting overly semantic, to me "recovery" speed actually means once you've already been beat. If that were not the case what would one be "recovering" from?

Sometimes the receiver beats you off the line. Sometimes you might get caught peeking a bit into the backfield. Maybe you didn't do anything wrong but are left with somebody headed for your endzone because somebody fell down. Whatever the reason may be as a DB one can often find oneself in need of closing ground quickly. Being able to do just that is, to me, recovery speed...and it's a jolly good thing to have on one's defense.
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Well said. Unfortunately, UT has had no collective recovery speed for awhile now. On the bright side, Butch and staff have made it a priority to increase overall team speed and it appears we're stocking up on some kids who can really run.... should pay dividends in the near future.
 
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Recoil said:
I don't care how smart a guy is, if he's on an island and runs a 4.6, his brain won't make his feet speed up to catch a faster WR. Slow, smart DBs have to win at the line of scrimmage ALL the time. If they don't, the help HAS to be there. Other the past several years, we've seen our DBs repeatedly lose at the line of scrimmage and help either be late or take a poor angle. I'm optimistically hoping for the best.
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Richard Sherman is slow it can be done with good technique and positioning
 
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I'll be happy and call it a win if he can just get all DBs to actually turn their head back to the ball and track instead of chasing and staring down the WR..... Sutton has been the only DB in about 3-4yrs that showed signs of this.
 
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Rocky_Top_Vol13 said:
Doesn't matter if its mental or physical speed. If it allows our DBs to close on a possibly open receiver faster, its a positive.
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When I read this it reminded me of watching Deion Sanders play. Deion made a career out of baiting QB's and WR's into thinking they were open. Once the ball was in the air, Sanders would close and knock it away or make the int.

That's an extreme example but for some of the younger fans they should find YouTube vids of Prime Time. He was great.
 
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PerneVedisUncool said:
Richard Sherman is slow it can be done with good technique and positioning
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Better watch it, Richard Sherman will call you out on National TV..."Don't come at me with no sorry poster like PerneVedisUncool!"

As for recovery speed, I think that references the entire team's ability to get back in a play after a mistake by a single player or bad call by the coach. If a DB falls down at the line of scrimmage his speed doesn't really matter but the recovery speed of the safety and linebacker do.
 
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Boca Vol said:
When I read this it reminded me of watching Deion Sanders play. Deion made a career out of baiting QB's and WR's into thinking they were open. Once the ball was in the air, Sanders would close and knock it away or make the int.

That's an extreme example but for some of the younger fans they should find YouTube vids of Prime Time. He was great.
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Wonder how many would be TD's Darrel Green saved by running people down in his career? I can think of Dorsett and Dickerson off the top of my head...and those guys were FAST.

Closer to home I've watched certain TD's saved by Terry McDaniel running somebody down. Speed is a nice asset.
 
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hndog609 said:
Wonder how many would be TD's Darrel Green saved by running people down in his career? I can think of Dorsett and Dickerson off the top of my head...and those guys were FAST.

Closer to home I've watched certain TD's saved by Terry McDaniel running somebody down. Speed is a nice asset.
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Green and McDaniel were seriously fast. Sanders, IMO, was fast and knew what he was doing...not just simply reacting or chasing down.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Green and McDaniel were seriously fast. Sanders, IMO, was fast and knew what he was doing...not just simply reacting or chasing down.
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Agreed. I was just pointing out how under certain circumstances pure speed, simply in and of itself, can make a difference. If you've got above average game skills to go along with the speed then, obviously, all the better.
 
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hndog609 said:
Agreed. I was just pointing out how under certain circumstances pure speed, simply in and of itself, can make a difference. If you've got above average game skills to go along with the speed then, obviously, all the better.
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Absolutely. :good!:
 
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Can we just all agree that it's better to have really fast guys who may or may not know what they're doing vs really slow guys who may or may not know what they're doing? And that really fast guys who know what they're doing is the best alternative?
 
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KBVol said:
Can we just all agree that it's better to have really fast guys who may or may not know what they're doing vs really slow guys who may or may not know what they're doing? And that really fast guys who know what they're doing is the best alternative?
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What fun would that be? What's next, winning is better than losing?
 
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Jones4theVols said:
Better watch it, Richard Sherman will call you out on National TV..."Don't come at me with no sorry poster like PerneVedisUncool!"

As for recovery speed, I think that references the entire team's ability to get back in a play after a mistake by a single player or bad call by the coach. If a DB falls down at the line of scrimmage his speed doesn't really matter but the recovery speed of the safety and linebacker do.
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I'm just saying every1 is speed crazy when honestly technique matters alot more. The only reason speed has looked so important is becuz the whole defense has been subpar so there is alot of chasing happening. If we had a really solid front 7 and safeties I'd gladly take some bigger slower corners who will manhandle wrs. It is NCAA tho and they call it stricter than the pros,
 
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volinbama256 said:
I'll be happy and call it a win if he can just get all DBs to actually turn their head back to the ball and track instead of chasing and staring down the WR..... Sutton has been the only DB in about 3-4yrs that showed signs of this.
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This
This
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EB was probably our last db to do it.
 
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KBVol said:
Can we just all agree that it's better to have really fast guys who may or may not know what they're doing vs really slow guys who may or may not know what they're doing? And that really fast guys who know what they're doing is the best alternative?
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I personally can't agree that having fast guys that don't know what they r doing is better than having slower ones that do. But to each their own. Slower guys that know what they r doing won't allow as many plays that need repair because a mistake made.

R u trying to jump out to an early lead on this years VNs Capt Obvious Award with the last sentence?? U act like getting raw speed like LSU and bama does is as easy 1,2,3. Even some kids that have speed can lose a step or 2 when they get in pads, start getting banged up, adding on some weight, overwhelmed by the college game etc.

Btw - I don't care how fast a player is but speed didn't not kill us on that Mizzou play clip that was posted in this thread. That's on the CBJ and staff for not calling the right play or not having the players prepared.
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Spartacavolus said:
you can coach some of them up, but instinct is towards the top of importance. Look at Coleman's instinct and Cam's instinct. Not even close.

We are getting some fast and aggressive ballplayers back there now. Many played both ways, which helps, imo.
We are about to go on a run of @ 5-7 yrs of no db's taken in the draft, which is unheard of and will change. If the NFL isn't looking at your db's, physical speed is lacking.
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Just 2-3 years, IMO...they'll get Cam.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
I personally can't agree that having fast guys that don't know what they r doing is better than having slower ones that do. But to each their own. Slower guys that know what they r doing won't allow as many plays that need repair because a mistake made.

R u trying to jump out to an early lead on this years VNs Capt Obvious Award with the last sentence?? U act like getting raw speed like LSU and bama does is as easy 1,2,3. Even some kids that have speed can lose a step or 2 when they get in pads, start getting banged up, adding on some weight, overwhelmed by the college game etc.

Btw - I don't care how fast a player is but speed didn't not kill us on that Mizzou play clip that was posted in this thread. That's on the CBJ and staff for not calling the right play or not having the players prepared.
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First of all, I did not say that having faster players who don't know what they're doing is better than slower players who do. Didn't say that at all.

Did you not read my statement Oskie? It was as obvious and benign as anything you will ever read on here. It was basically, all things being exactly equal, can we agree that we'd rather have faster players than slower players? That's it. Nothing more.

Of course it's not all about speed and speed alone, haven't argued that. I personally, and it appears that Butch and every major D1 coach in the country seems to agree with me, that more speed is better than less speed.... and they all appear to be recruiting guys that can really run. Malik Foreman, Cam Sutton, Riyahd Jones, Emmanuel Moseley, DAndre Payne, Rashaan Gaulden, Todd Kelly Jr, Evan Berry and Cortez McDowell collectively upgrade our DB speed significantly over what UT has had at that position over the last 5-6 years.... and that's a good thing.

Of course players have to be coached up and have to play with good technique and focus. The title of this thread has to do with "recovery speed", which implies that your players can make a play defensively and keep a busted coverage/play, which happens every game on every single Saturday, from turning into six points. The overwhelming majority of our scholarship and walkon DBs simply could not do this last year IMO. Two glaring examples of this last year were Aaron Murray's 60 yd QB draw and Amari Cooper's screen pass that he took untouched for a td.

Hopefully that clarifies the point.
 
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Oskie Volum said:
Is it actual physical speed or mental speed?? I can see a player being faster due to him knowing the assignment better and/or knowing how to correct himself faster/better if he miscalculated. Just have trouble understanding how this would mean a huge improvement in actual physical speed. Which I'm sure many on here will start to say was the only issue.

Not saying they can't get a tad faster, but not enough to make as big of a difference as reaction speed that comes from just knowing what to do. Then using their natural physical speed properly instead of not knowing what they are doing and holding back.

Just imho that's all...
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Because we will have faster players @ DB this fall (Foreman, Payne, Moseley, Evan Berry, etc...)
 
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