Recruiting chatter

[zjcvols]

Hey guys, so we started a recruiting news sticky thread about a month ago and while it's been nice, I think we sometimes talk about the process and it gets lost in news or people (idiots like me) think something big has happened with 20 new posts and it's just some recruiting talk. Which is fine, but I figured we can start a thread where this is where we talk about scholarships, recruits, etc.

I'll get it started. Would you rather have Mitchell or a JUCO PG?

I'd take Mitchell.

 

[hillsborovol]

Mitchell, although we probably need a PG more.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

i take fabyon in a heart beat and dont think twice. mitchell is the better player probably but bringing in a battle tested pg with the ability that guy has will make this team incredibly better next year. this is a visual reason why:

option 1(with mitchell)

golden32/richardson8
richardson14/mcbee26
mcrae25/edwards15
stokes30/maymon10
maymon20/hall10/mitchell10

option 2(with fabyon)

golden20/fabyon20
richardson20/golden10/mcbee10
mcrae25/edwards15
stokes30/maymon10
maymon20/hall15/yemi5

i feel like option 2 gives you the most talent that you can potentially have out there for 40 minutes a game, our 4 and 5 is already loaded thats why id want more talent for the 1 and 2 positions. the main difference is a lot less mcbee, and a lot less of golden at the PG. that is 2 things people have complained alot about, especially golden at the pg position. golden will be fresher coming down the stretch because of this as will richardson which will be crucial on defense.JMO.

 

[King Webbsticles]

Both. Make room.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Both. Make room.

hmmm bye bye miller, and ask skylar to get grants...

golden 20/fabyon 20
richardson 20/golden 10/mcbee 10
mcrae 20/edwards 15/maymon 5
stokes 30/maymon 10
maymon 15/mitchell 25

oh yea i like...:clapping:

 

[Cyclopskiller]

i take fabyon in a heart beat and dont think twice. mitchell is the better player probably but bringing in a battle tested pg with the ability that guy has will make this team incredibly better next year. this is a visual reason why:

option 1(with mitchell)

golden32/richardson8
richardson14/mcbee26
mcrae25/edwards15
stokes30/maymon10
maymon20/hall10/mitchell10

option 2(with fabyon)

golden20/fabyon20
richardson20/golden10/mcbee10
mcrae25/edwards15
stokes30/maymon10
maymon20/hall15/yemi5

i feel like option 2 gives you the most talent that you can potentially have out there for 40 minutes a game, our 4 and 5 is already loaded thats why id want more talent for the 1 and 2 positions. the main difference is a lot less mcbee, and a lot less of golden at the PG. that is 2 things people have complained alot about, especially golden at the pg position. golden will be fresher coming down the stretch because of this as will richardson which will be crucial on defense.JMO.

Over achiever IMO..

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Over achiever IMO..

no such thing as an overachiever, if you dont give it 100% ya aint trying

 

[King Webbsticles]

hmmm bye bye miller, and ask skylar to get grants...

golden 20/fabyon 20
richardson 20/golden 10/mcbee 10
mcrae 20/edwards 15/maymon 5
stokes 30/maymon 10
maymon 15/mitchell 25

oh yea i like...:clapping:

Skylar keeps his. Washpun gets cut.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Skylar keeps his. Washpun gets cut.

if it happens im fine with it i just dont see martin doing that to this kid who he has talked so highly about and clearly likes. maybe he'll sit down with washpun and bring up the idea to him and feel him out but to force him out i just dont see, id see the skylar option before i saw him pushing out washpun. JMHO.

 

[King Webbsticles]

You don't even have Washpun in your lineup above. Why have a guy on the team that contributes nothing for two years.

Come on. It is obvious that Washpun isn't SEC quality. He is showing why only schools in the Dakotas wanted him.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

You don't even have Washpun in your lineup above. Why have a guy on the team that contributes nothing for two years.

Come on. It is obvious that Washpun isn't SEC quality. He is showing why only schools in the Dakotas wanted him.

i also dont have yemi, reese, chievous, or hall? should we force them all out too?

i agree with you i dont see wes being sec quality but i dont see chievous or reese being sec quality IMO either. my point if skylar is willing to go back to walk on and we dont have to force anyone else out then why not do it that way? even if wes doesnt play it makes your scout team better at a minimum, i just see it that if we can keep everyone while bringing in those 2 that would be the likely preferred method of choice.

 

[King Webbsticles]

i also dont have yemi, reese, chievous, or hall? should we force them all out too?

Yemi and Hall will play, in some fashion. Even if it a few minutes to spell our other bigs.

Reese and Chievous haven't had opportunities to play yet. Washpun has had some chances and looked less than subpar.

 

[King Webbsticles]

i agree with you i dont see wes being sec quality but i dont see chievous or reese being sec quality IMO either. my point if skylar is willing to go back to walk on and we dont have to force anyone else out then why not do it that way? even if wes doesnt play it makes your scout team better at a minimum, i just see it that if we can keep everyone while bringing in those 2 that would be the likely preferred method of choice.

Then why keep them. Why even let Derek Reese show up if he can't contribute to the team?

Why would Skylar offer his scholly? Of course he wouldn't do that. He only came here under the impression that he would be a preferred walk-on.

Wes sucking doesn't help anyone. A terrible PG on a scout team doesn;t benefit the team at all.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Yemi and Hall will play, in some fashion. Even if it a few minutes to spell our other bigs.

Reese and Chievous haven't had opportunities to play yet. Washpun has had some chances and looked less than subpar.

if yemi sees less than 5 minutes this year a game and we bring in another stud post why would you think yemi's minutes would increase? if anything id say redshirt him.

washpun came in with ccm saying he was going to be a project, he would have redshirted if not for the shortage at pg.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Then why keep them. Why even let Derek Reese show up if he can't contribute to the team?

Why would Skylar offer his scholly? Of course he wouldn't do that. He only came here under the impression that he would be a preferred walk-on.

Wes sucking doesn't help anyone. A terrible PG on a scout team doesn;t benefit the team at all.

IMO because ccm offered reese a scholarship way too early and reese jumped on it. i dont think ccm thought the recruiting was going to be this succesful right off the bat, i think that they are pleasantly surprised so far.

im not saying skylar does offer it, but if skylar can get a full ride from the hope program why does it matter? if ccm says skylar you qualify for a full scholarship through the hope program, are you willing to give up your scholarship for the benefit of the team seeing as how you still receive full financial aid, you dont think he says sure?

your telling me that tyler summitt running the scout team and practicing against golden is better than washpun practicing against him? as i said im completely fine with wes leaving as i dont ever see him being a contributor to this team, i just feel if you can get skylar to give up his scholarship you would go that route first.

 

[King Webbsticles]

He is a project that hasn't shown anything. Except an inability to dribble, or pass, or shoot. No reason to keep him.

 

[King Webbsticles]

IMO because ccm offered reese a scholarship way too early and reese jumped on it. i dont think ccm thought the recruiting was going to be this succesful right off the bat, i think that they are pleasantly surprised so far.

im not saying skylar does offer it, but if skylar can get a full ride from the hope program why does it matter? if ccm says skylar you qualify for a full scholarship through the hope program, are you willing to give up your scholarship for the benefit of the team seeing as how you still receive full financial aid, you dont think he says sure?

your telling me that tyler summitt running the scout team and practicing against golden is better than washpun practicing against him? as i said im completely fine with wes leaving as i dont ever see him being a contributor to this team, i just feel if you can get skylar to give up his scholarship you would go that route first.

Then you pull his scholarship. This is a freaking business and if a player can't contribute, and the coach knows it, then you don't allow him to come and use your money/resources. He'll have plenty of other choices of schools more on his level to go to. It isn't a hard concept. If CCM stars playing the nice guy coach, it'll get him fired.


If Tyler Summitt can run an offense and dribble down the court then, yes, he has shown more that Washpun has.

 

[King Webbsticles]

as i said im completely fine with wes leaving as i dont ever see him being a contributor to this team, i just feel if you can get skylar to give up his scholarship you would go that route first.

It would be unfair to keep Washpun knowing he will never contribute.

Let him go to a school where he will play and not sit on the bench for four years.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Then you pull his scholarship. This is a freaking business and if a player can't contribute, and the coach knows it, then you don't allow him to come and use your money/resources. He'll have plenty of other choices of schools more on his level to go to. It isn't a hard concept. If CCM stars playing the nice guy coach, it'll get him fired.


If Tyler Summitt can run an offense and dribble down the court then, yes, he has shown more that Washpun has.

it is my understanding that since reese has signed his LOI the ncaa recently changed something to where coaches are no longer allowed to pull scholarships. i may be wrong, but i am pretty sure that they recently changed this within the last year or so.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

It would be unfair to keep Washpun knowing he will never contribute.

Let him go to a school where he will play and not sit on the bench for four years.

im fine with this fair enough, i just figured if you can get a scholarship by mcbee giving up his, and washpun could keep his. as you said though he is never going to contribute to this team we may as well get him out of here and keep that scholarship with mcbee, or keep it in our pocket for a guy that may come up.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

It would be unfair to keep Washpun knowing he will never contribute.

Let him go to a school where he will play and not sit on the bench for four years.

wes has a voice, if he feels its unfair he can transfer on his own he doesnt need ccm to make him leave.

 

[CAVol]

Players you don't expect to leave at all periodically leave for one reason or another. It just happens.

 

[MannyD]

IMO because ccm offered reese a scholarship way too early and reese jumped on it. i dont think ccm thought the recruiting was going to be this succesful right off the bat, i think that they are pleasantly surprised so far.

im not saying skylar does offer it, but if skylar can get a full ride from the hope program why does it matter? if ccm says skylar you qualify for a full scholarship through the hope program, are you willing to give up your scholarship for the benefit of the team seeing as how you still receive full financial aid, you dont think he says sure?

your telling me that tyler summitt running the scout team and practicing against golden is better than washpun practicing against him? as i said im completely fine with wes leaving as i dont ever see him being a contributor to this team, i just feel if you can get skylar to give up his scholarship you would go that route first.

Can a player get an academic scholarship (ie HOPE scholly you mentioned)? Don't know for sure, but I thought this wasn't possible since it'd be an obvious way for programs to circumvent the rules in major collegiate athletics. I'm all for Cuonzo being honest with a kid and telling him he thinks he should leave b/c he doesn't see the kid contributing to the program. With that said, asking a kid to give up his scholly and remain on the team as a significant contributor rubs me the wrong way. If it were me, I'd tell the coach to shove it in that situation. Go in debt when my outlook thus far was to graduate without a financial obligation? No thanks. Guess it depends on the individual though. It may be worth $10K to the right person to be able to bring in another piece to put your team over the top. Not me.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Can a player get an academic scholarship (ie HOPE scholly you mentioned)? Don't know for sure, but I thought this wasn't possible since it'd be an obvious way for programs to circumvent the rules in major collegiate athletics. I'm all for Cuonzo being honest with a kid and telling him he thinks he should leave b/c he doesn't see the kid contributing to the program. With that said, asking a kid to give up his scholly and remain on the team as a significant contributor rubs me the wrong way. If it were me, I'd tell the coach to shove it in that situation. Go in debt when my outlook thus far was to graduate without a financial obligation? No thanks. Guess it depends on the individual though. It may be worth $10K to the right person to be able to bring in another piece to put your team over the top. Not me.

i dont see why they wouldnt be allowed to? if say brandon lopez who is a walk on on our team can qualify for the hope scholarship then he can use it, i dont think just because you play a sport it eliminates you from scholarships. so if skylar gave up his scholarship he would then be considered a walk on, if he was eligible for grants or scholarships then he would be able to use them i would think, doesnt make sense not to let a walk on use these.

as far as it being a way around rules there are a couple things preventing this. for one your state would have to have a scholarship program like TN like covers 100% tuition, which i dont believe many schools have. 2nd you have to actually be a pretty good student to qualify, and once you do qualify you have to maintain that GPA. Not to be stereotypical but many of the top recruits that you are talking about being unfair for colleges to do this with arent on the deans list so they wouldnt qualify for this anyways.

this situation of hypothetically ccm asking skylar to give it up is contingent on the fact we are assuming skylar can use the hope program or other grants to pay all costs. if he cant then i dont see there being any reason why ccm would bring it up to, therefore noone is going into debt. simply saying if he qualifies for a full ride through another program let him do it that way and use the extra scholarship.

 

[MannyD]

i dont see why they wouldnt be allowed to? if say brandon lopez who is a walk on on our team can qualify for the hope scholarship then he can use it, i dont think just because you play a sport it eliminates you from scholarships. so if skylar gave up his scholarship he would then be considered a walk on, if he was eligible for grants or scholarships then he would be able to use them i would think, doesnt make sense not to let a walk on use these.

as far as it being a way around rules there are a couple things preventing this. for one your state would have to have a scholarship program like TN like covers 100% tuition, which i dont believe many schools have. 2nd you have to actually be a pretty good student to qualify, and once you do qualify you have to maintain that GPA. Not to be stereotypical but many of the top recruits that you are talking about being unfair for colleges to do this with arent on the deans list so they wouldnt qualify for this anyways.

this situation of hypothetically ccm asking skylar to give it up is contingent on the fact we are assuming skylar can use the hope program or other grants to pay all costs. if he cant then i dont see there being any reason why ccm would bring it up to, therefore noone is going into debt. simply saying if he qualifies for a full ride through another program let him do it that way and use the extra scholarship.

Maybe you're right, but I'd be willing to bet that athletes in revenue generating sports, like basketball, aren't eligible for non-athletic scholarships. Sure, you have to qualify for the scholarship, but let's be honest, getting a 3.0 in a TN high school for HOPE qualification isn't that difficult. Theoretically, there'd be no way for the NCAA to police a situation like this. Talent rich states with similar state funded scholarship programs would be able to sign kids with no restriction. It'd be like major league baseball with no salary cap. Jarnell Stokes, for example, would've been eligible for the Hope Scholarship. I'm pretty sure this came up during his recruitment when several teams were out of the hunt because they didn't have an available scholarship. They didn't have athletic scholarships available for this year...academic scholarship alternatives weren't an option. He would've been able to attend Memphis if this Hope scholarship scenario were true.

I'm a little lazy, so I don't feel like looking up the rule. Just my two cents, though.