Recruiting? Coaching (X/O's)? or Developing?

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When Bruce Pearl came as our coach we just wanted to win games. We were not concerned about his recruiting class or how/if he can develop players.

I think we had nothing to lose and we didn't have high expectations. But honestly, Bruce DID raise the BAR.

So let's just grade BRUCE (lets go off his entire career)first and then what we think CCM will be. (let's go off Missou St.) A,B,C, D, ???

Notes: This is just my personal opinion. I believe we NEED a good COACH FIRST. I've been harsh on CCM for not recruiting but I take that back and realized we need to just "wait and see". But I honestly do feel that CCM needed to stay at Missouri St. longer to prove himself more valuable.

BRUCE ---
Recruiting - B
Coaching - A
Developing - D

CCM ---
Recruiting - C
Coaching - ? but probably B
Developing - ? but probably C
 
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I am glad your opinion does not win or lose games.
Pearl was not a very good x's and o's coach. Get over it.
 
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His teams had talent no doubt. I was never impressed with his in game adjustments.
 
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His recruiting wasn't exactly stellar.

He didn't bring in Lofton or JuJuan. He had an extremely high bust/flunk out/smoke out rate
 
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Pearl
Recruiting - B
Coaching - C
Developing - C

Martin
Recruiting - ?
Coaching - ?
Developing - ?

Martin has seen what success looks like while coaching at Purdue and has had success on the small stage, but who knows what is going to happen at UT. The only thing we can say for sure is that the team should be more disciplined and committed to playing defense.
 
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Pearl's coaching was around a B+ IMO. He seemed to always get more out of the team than he should have (excluding 08-09 and 10-11). He wasn't a great recruiter because of the high bust rate and I can't recall any players get significantly better under him. Motivating players is part of coaching and he was the best at doing that. So overall Pearl was a good coach but he's not UT basketball that some made him out to be.
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Don't agree at all, OP. To rate being a good recruiter you have to look accross the board, not just at a couple of highly ranked recruits. How can you say that with all of the wash-outs? It started showing last season when the drop off was worse even with two high ranked players. When you preach high scoring full court BB and change to a low scoring half court offense the personnel is wrong for the system. For several years Pearl got the team in shape and believing in his system. For x's and o's he started over subbing with wierd combinations, playing his son and McBee way too many minutes instead of developing the young talent more, etc. Last season many of them were not in shape. Player development was a joke. They developed their own games. If you say player and fan motivation relates to coaching I will agree and add it in with his gift for coaching transition, full court basketball. There just was no Plan B when the players he recruited could not handle Plan A. Add in that the rest of the SEC started figuring out what he was doing (See Urban Myer) and the slide had begun before the AA started after him.

Recruiting C
Coaching B-
Development D

Coach Zo Too early to tell.
 
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ORANGE & WHITE said:
Pearl
Recruiting - B
Coaching - C
Developing - C

Martin
Recruiting - ?
Coaching - ?
Developing - ?

Martin has seen what success looks like while coaching at Purdue and has had success on the small stage, but who knows what is going to happen at UT. The only thing we can say for sure is that the team should be more disciplined and committed to playing defense.
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I would hate to see you grade the rest of UT's coaches since he did more in a 4 year stint then the rest of UT bball combined

if you are not a great recruiter and you win a lot then I am not sure how you can be a D at developing players - simply makes no sense

here are my rankings:

BRUCE ---
Recruiting - B
Coaching - A+
Developing - A

CCM ---
Recruiting - F
Coaching - ?
Developing - ?
 
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GO_VOLS1985 said:
Pearl a good X and O's coach? ..... HAHAHA!!!!
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So he had not 1 elite level player in his tenure - took UT to half of their sweet 16's and their only elite eight in the history of the program - he obviously couldnt coach - good point
 
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Coaching, A+ hmm...kind of being a bit extreme don't you think?

IMO,

BRUCE ---
Recruiting - B
Coaching - C
Developing - D

I thought pearl recruited at an above average level but it seemed like he was either stubborn or refused to fix obvious problems (lack of a half court, need a good pg etc). He's a mediocre coach at best though. A lot of end of game situations that left you scratching your head. He knew who to get the ball too but didn't know what to tell me when they got it (horrible x's and o's guy) and you can't forget about the text book substitutions. The only players I seen getting better under Pearl was Wayne Chism and Brian Williams. Maybe a mix of being in Bruces system and being a 4 yr senior. Two of the top three most promising players pretty much flopped.

As for CCM, who knows. I'd be lying or guessing if I rated him because I sure didn't watch Missouri State and hate boring Big 10 basketball. I'll wait until next year to judge his recruiting but I'm real curious to see what he brings. I think he'll be a good X's and O's guy because he seems pretty smart about the game. I'm especially curious to see how he schedules. That's probably something I'd give to Bruce over anyone.
 
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kwebbvols2344 said:
Pearl was not good with plays, he could just get the guys fired up.
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Pearl-haters go to such extremes. Facts, records & Bruce's taking the team to height never before achieved mean nothing to y'all. Still, I wish the new coach well. If he can achieve half the success of his predecessor in generating excitement for UT basketball, it will be fine.
 
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This isn't a knock on anyone, but I thought it was funny. If you look carefully, the OP's final grade for Bruce is unflattering lol.

Dougie_D said:
BRUCE ---
Recruiting - B
Coaching - A
Developing - D

CCM ---
Recruiting - C
Coaching - ? but probably B
Developing - ? but probably C
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"BAD"
 
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I am glad you guys weren't my professors in college - taking a program that has been to 3 sweet 16's in 60 or so years to 3 in 5 years and has never been to an elite 8 to an elite 8 is a C

that is a pretty ridiculous grading scale

I realize he is a cheat, liar, used care salesman, etc - but he was one hell of a bball coach
 
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feathersax said:
Pearl-haters go to such extremes. Facts, records & Bruce's taking the team to height never before achieved mean nothing to y'all. Still, I wish the new coach well. If he can achieve half the success of his predecessor in generating excitement for UT basketball, it will be fine.
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Nobody is bashing Pearls accomplishments at UT. But your simply basing the "good coach criteria" off of a few accomplishments UT achieved under Pearl. I know good coaches have success and Pearl was fairly successful at UT but he was an average coach at best.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
IMO, no matter what the grades are, this should be the order of Pearls traits from best to worst:

1. Recruiting
2. Coaching
3. Developing
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Yeah, I was just thinking the same thing. I'd say B, C+, C- or something like that.
 
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SCvol333 said:
I am glad you guys weren't my professors in college - taking a program that has been to 3 sweet 16's in 60 or so years to 3 in 5 years and has never been to an elite 8 to an elite 8 is a C

that is a pretty ridiculous grading scale

I realize he is a cheat, liar, used care salesman, etc - but he was one hell of a bball coach
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We could have used a helluva coach after the first seven games last season. Helluva coaches don't give up.
 
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SCvol333 said:
I am glad you guys weren't my professors in college - taking a program that has been to 3 sweet 16's in 60 or so years to 3 in 5 years and has never been to an elite 8 to an elite 8 is a C

that is a pretty ridiculous grading scale

I realize he is a cheat, liar, used care salesman, etc - but he was one hell of a bball coach
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A pretty ridiculous grading scale is one that rates Pearl an A+ coach. You think no one could have done better?

A pretty ridiculous grading scale is one that grades Martin as an F recruiter based on his first class, without realizing that Pearl's first class consisted of Ryan Childress. Period. No one else.
 
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