Recruiting? Coaching (X/O's)? or Developing?

#26
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VKAman said:
A pretty ridiculous grading scale is one that rates Pearl an A+ coach. You think no one could have done better?

A pretty ridiculous grading scale is one that grades Martin as an F recruiter based on his first class, without realizing that Pearl's first class consisted of Ryan Childress. Period. No one else.
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I think noone in UT history did better - and no other SEC team other than KY did better in his time period

but those are facts - so much easier to just say negative things without backing them up
 
#27
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Shaun1985 said:
Nobody is bashing Pearls accomplishments at UT. But your simply basing the "good coach criteria" off of a few accomplishments UT achieved under Pearl. I know good coaches have success and Pearl was fairly successful at UT but he was an average coach at best.
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Yeah it was probably UT's unbelievable basketball tradition that led to all those wins - wait...
 
#28
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SCvol333 said:
I think noone in UT history did better - and no other SEC team other than KY did better in his time period

but those are facts - so much easier to just say negative things without backing them up
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Didn't something happen in '06 and '07?
 
#29
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VKAman said:
A pretty ridiculous grading scale is one that rates Pearl an A+ coach. You think no one could have done better?

A pretty ridiculous grading scale is one that grades Martin as an F recruiter based on his first class, without realizing that Pearl's first class consisted of Ryan Childress. Period. No one else.
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in his last 4 years as a Purdue assistant he had 1 top 25 recruiting class - i will give him a pass to a degree at mo state,but he did nothing there as far as recruiting - also had 2 of 3 seasons with losing conference records

so when you combine that with his first class at UT being awful - yes i think it is fair to say he is a F recruiter

simple fact is that we have him as a coach b/c every good coach thinks the program is about to get wacked and placed on probation

it is not a good time to be a bball fan at UT
 
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SCvol333 said:
in his last 4 years as a Purdue assistant he had 1 top 25 recruiting class - i will give him a pass to a degree at mo state,but he did nothing there as far as recruiting - also had 2 of 3 seasons with losing conference records

so when you combine that with his first class at UT being awful - yes i think it is fair to say he is a F recruiter

simple fact is that we have him as a coach b/c every good coach thinks the program is about to get wacked and placed on probation

it is not a good time to be a bball fan at UT
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Recruiting is more about the HC than anything else, but since you bring it up, Martin has recruited more NBA players than Pearl.

Also, what did Pearl's first class at UT look like? Would you have given it a B?
 
#34
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SCvol333 said:
I am glad you guys weren't my professors in college - taking a program that has been to 3 sweet 16's in 60 or so years to 3 in 5 years and has never been to an elite 8 to an elite 8 is a C

that is a pretty ridiculous grading scale

I realize he is a cheat, liar, used care salesman, etc - but he was one hell of a bball coach
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The only thing keeping a person from agreeing with your point above is the lack of common sense and too much pride. Whichever "side" you are on.
 
#36
#36
One of the troubles with this scale is that I'm not sure what "coaching" means in this context. Some people seem to take it to mean "in-game adjustments" and "end-of-game strategy" and "set plays" and stuff like that. If that's what it means, then Pearl is probably a C or so: a D at adjustments and endgame, and a B on set plays (particularly out of bounds plays).

But if "coaching" means pregame prep, scouting, having a plan that is difficult for the other team to deal with, then Pearl's an A.

There's also the whole "communication with players" thing. Some coaches have brilliant plans, and their players don't execute them because they don't understand their roles. Pearl didn't have that problem, his players knew what he wanted.

Recruiting is nowhere near as high as some of you guys are making it. If Calipari is an A+, then guys like Self and Donovan and Barnes are the A- or B's, and Pearl's nowhere close. C- at best.

Development is overrated. I'm struggling to think of any player at any school that came in at one level, and left at a completely different (better) level. It happens, but it's rare. You have to get great players, period, and then you have to put them in successful situations. If "player development" was a realistic plan, then Cuonzo's recruiting would scare us less.

I'd rate Pearl thus:

Game planning: A
Motivation: A
Communication with players/player execution: B
Recruiting: C- (even that may be generous)
Development: C (some guys improved, some didn't...looks about average overall, to me)
In-game adjustments: D
 
#37
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SCvol333 said:
in his last 4 years as a Purdue assistant he had 1 top 25 recruiting class - i will give him a pass to a degree at mo state,but he did nothing there as far as recruiting - also had 2 of 3 seasons with losing conference records

so when you combine that with his first class at UT being awful - yes i think it is fair to say he is a F recruiter

simple fact is that we have him as a coach b/c every good coach thinks the program is about to get wacked and placed on probation

it is not a good time to be a bball fan at UT
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Why is that.. Oh yeah, because of your man Pearl got this program into this postion. You have also yet to mention anything about Pear's first class. Would you give that an "F" as well. CCM first class is a lot better that Pear's first class.
 
#38
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VKAman said:
Recruiting is more about the HC than anything else, but since you bring it up, Martin has recruited more NBA players than Pearl.

Also, what did Pearl's first class at UT look like? Would you have given it a B?
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Pearl's class was not good - or his recruiting overall to be honest - he started picking up steam late but this involved questionable ethics - the B here is likely too high - i'd maybe take that down to a C after looking at it again
 
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