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InVOLuntary said:
Did Auburn lose to either?
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Nope, that's why they are #1. But, great basketballs teams lose games, occasionally. In fact, iIrc the last undefeated National Champions were Indiana, in 1976. So, every Champion team in almost 50 years has lost to an inferior team. Basketball is not football, everybody loses, at least once, even the great Auburn Tigers have 2 losses to inferior teams.
 
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@InVOLuntary lets just break it down logically with some stats.

Auburn's losses are to Duke and Florida. You perceive these two opponents as elite teams. You said elite teams don't lose to inferior teams, and we aren't elite because of 3 inferior losses: Kentucky (2) and Vandy.

Duke has 2 losses to inferior teams: Kentucky and Clemson.
Florida has 4 loss to inferior teams: Mizzou, Kentucky, Georgia, and Vols (inferior per you).

So, by your logic Duke and Florida cannot be elite teams. If they aren't elite teams then they are inferior to Auburn. If they are inferior to Auburn, then Auburn has losses to inferior teams. If Auburn has inferior losses, then they aren't elite.

An elite basketball team is not elite because it "doesn't have losses to inferior teams." There's so much more that goes into the makings of "elite" in college basketball.

I think if you look across the country there are a handful of elite teams: Auburn, Duke, Vols, Houston, Florida, and Bama are without a doubt in that category. The next 4-6 are potentially elite teams, depending on how they finish the season. Elite teams drop winnable games in college basketball over the course of a long season with fatigue, bad luck, and rivalries. Its not like football where a single loss historically ruins you.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I'm not being circular at all. Do you think losing to Duke and FL are on the same level as getting beat by Vandy and KY twice?

Look, I've said my peace. I'm not sure why you feel the need to try and drag me when we should be celebrating a win over Bama. Seem weird.
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You didn’t say losing to Vandy and UK was worse. You said Auburn was the only tier 1 team and that you don’t view Bama and UF in that tier anymore. Then proceeded to say elite teams like Auburn don’t lose to inferior teams. A tier 1 team losing to a tier 2 team is by definition losing to an inferior team.

it would be more respectful if you just doubled down on your garbage opinions than try to twist what you said
 
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tyonthefly93 said:
Had my fourth child yesterday evening. I was unable to go to the game, so my dad and brother in law went (so pumped they got to see it).

But this is the best part… I’m watching it on my phone in the room, so when Mashack hit the game winner, I went nuts. As I am going nuts the nurses rush into the room due to my screaming, obviously to make sure my wife and son were alright. I assured them everything was fine, just got excited because Tennessee hit a game winner against Alabama. A story that the little guy will hear one day! Go Vols!!
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Congratulations!!!!!!
Happy for you and your family.
 
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The Dog said:
Nope, that's why they are #1. But, great basketballs teams lose games, occasionally. In fact, iIrc the last undefeated National Champions were Indiana, in 1976. So, every Champion team in almost 50 years has lost to an inferior team. Basketball is not football, everybody loses, at least once, even the great Auburn Tigers have 2 losses to inferior teams.
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2012 Kentucky national champs with Anthony Davis and the overall #1 seed lost to unranked Indiana and unranked Vanderbilt.
 
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The Dog said:
Man, you are right. But, give me Auburn, Florida and/or Bama in the SEC and I like our chances better than UK. Why ? I don't know, just one of those teams that are a bad match-up for a really good Vols team. Then again, we may just bust their a$$, next time. I'm just saying, I would prefer not to play 'em, again. I've been wrong many times about this team, just not as wrong as @InVOLuntary has been
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Barnes knows Golden & Pearl…Pope was an unknown & Pope played us different in both games. He has no more surprises in a 3rd matchup.

But I’m 100% fine with not seeing em again either.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I'm not being circular at all. Do you think losing to Duke and FL are on the same level as getting beat by Vandy and KY twice?

Look, I've said my peace. I'm not sure why you feel the need to try and drag me when we should be celebrating a win over Bama. Seem weird.
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I started out just lightly ribbing you but the responses you've had after are just unfathomable to me.

I just simply cannot understand why you hate Rick Barnes and have a perspective on this team that defies logic. Yes, they can lose early in the tournament. Any team can. They also have fhe potential to go further than ever. But you seem dead set banking on the former instead of being excited for the potential.

I'll let it go now and won't bring it up again. I know you're a good dude and we will just always disagree on basketball and Rick Barnes and that's fine.
 
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SoilVol said:
@InVOLuntary lets just break it down logically with some stats.

Auburn's losses are to Duke and Florida. You perceive these two opponents as elite teams. You said elite teams don't lose to inferior teams, and we aren't elite because of 3 inferior losses: Kentucky (2) and Vandy.

Duke has 2 losses to inferior teams: Kentucky and Clemson.
Florida has 4 loss to inferior teams: Mizzou, Kentucky, Georgia, and Vols (inferior per you).

So, by your logic Duke and Florida cannot be elite teams. If they aren't elite teams then they are inferior to Auburn. If they are inferior to Auburn, then Auburn has losses to inferior teams. If Auburn has inferior losses, then they aren't elite.

An elite basketball team is not elite because it "doesn't have losses to inferior teams." There's so much more that goes into the makings of "elite" in college basketball.

I think if you look across the country there are a handful of elite teams: Auburn, Duke, Vols, Houston, Florida, and Bama are without a doubt in that category. The next 4-6 are potentially elite teams, depending on how they finish the season. Elite teams drop winnable games in college basketball over the course of a long season with fatigue, bad luck, and rivalries. Its not like football where a single loss historically ruins you.
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Choosing to be down on this team is wild
 
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The Dog said:
Nope, that's why they are #1. But, great basketballs teams lose games, occasionally. In fact, iIrc the last undefeated National Champions were Indiana, in 1976. So, every Champion team in almost 50 years has lost to an inferior team. Basketball is not football, everybody loses, at least once, even the great Auburn Tigers have 2 losses to inferior teams.
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Even ‘82 UNC lost 2 games (unranked Wake once) and ‘92 Duke lost 2 games (unranked Wake once)
 
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SoilVol said:
I started out just lightly ribbing you but the responses you've had after are just unfathomable to me.

I just simply cannot understand why you hate Rick Barnes and have a perspective on this team that defies logic. Yes, they can lose early in the tournament. Any team can. They also have fhe potential to go further than ever. But you seem dead set banking on the former instead of being excited for the potential.

I'll let it go now and won't bring it up again. I know you're a good dude and we will just always disagree on basketball and Rick Barnes and that's fine.
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Lol, I love Rick barnes. I love every member of this team. I just have a lower expectation than you do.
 
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Smokey123 said:
You didn’t say losing to Vandy and UK was worse. You said Auburn was the only tier 1 team and that you don’t view Bama and UF in that tier anymore. Then proceeded to say elite teams like Auburn don’t lose to inferior teams. A tier 1 team losing to a tier 2 team is by definition losing to an inferior team.

it would be more respectful if you just doubled down on your garbage opinions than try to twist what you said
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You can't be this dense. I refuse to believe you are this dense. Auburn is in a league by itself. TN Al, and FL are tier 2. Candy and KY are a tier below that.

And, I think your opinions are pathetic.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
I don’t think any team is elite, but there are at least 6 teams that can play elite.

Auburn just has been playing elite at a more consistent level than everyone else.

But Bama, Vols, Gators, Duke, Houston, Michigan State & St. John’s (maybe, not watched them much) can all have elite games.
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Shoot I think Kentucky could be added to that list. They've beat Duke, Vols, Florida, and A&M. They're just probably the most inconsistent on that list, which I think is discipline/motivation related.
 
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