Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[shoney]

If karma is real Aguilar is going to have a great year. I also think our team will welcome him with open arms.

 

[rikberry31]

Kobe and Shaq hated each other and won 3 NBA Titles in a row. They didn't let the feelings for each other affect or (effect every which one is the correct word for the English Majors)their play on the court....

I'm not saying it hasn't happened before, there are some examples of infighting and disunity on championship teams. But it is a fact that has been proven over and over, tightly bonded teams pulling together, playing for each other, with a "whatever is best for the team" mentality, overachieve.
People live and sometimes thrive with cancer for years but living without it always works out better.

 

[swchandler1988]

App State's entire season was a dumpster fire. Staff that was clearly getting canned. QBR often says as much about the team as it does the QB. Aguilar was the only thing they ever had going on offense.

And Joey A’s QBR was still better than Altmyer and Raviola, for reference

 

[MoCo_Vol]

I'm 50/50 on the guy. Aguilar only game vs top notch competition at Applachain State last season was Clemson. Stats were 18/41 214 yards passing, 43.9% completion percentage and a 38.7 QBR. Not very good some are going to say what about his other games? Well I don't see a Georgia State or Louisiana Monroe in SEC. Big step up for the young man, hopefully Aguilar can be a game manager and not turn the ball over and score enough points to win. Going to be depending on defense more than ever this upcoming season imo..

To be fair it was the 2nd game of the season at Clemson and the Tigers scored 35 in the first quarter...and for some dumbass reason his OC decided to just try and pass the rest of the game. I'm more impressed he had 0 turnovers in that game.

 

[Z06VolinWV]

This is good info. I have been of the mindset that camping is the best exposure. Especially when we are probably going to look at a board of Regents school to get my state discount. At least we have that to fall back on if she only gets a partial scholarship.

She’s doing the UT elite camp this summer and we are looking at some other options as well. She did UTC and Cumberland camps last summer.

Having said all that, I may have made her such a huge UT fan that she goes to Knoxville whether she has a scholarship or not. That makes me wonder if the NCSA is worth the investment.

I’d second what Seargent said. It’s a great resource for small schools, however we did have engagement with fbs schools there as well. Whether it was a GA on the other end of actual coach, no way to tell?!
It is great for having contact info readily available, BUT, the student athlete email comes from “@ncsa….” And not a personalized account, which is is a turnoff for many. We’ve had coaches say they hit delete immediately.
You will get a ton of camp invites, most are money grab. Unless your daughter has actual engagement from a coach via email or X, she’s not being recruited, just filling a spot at a camp from our experience.
We had about a 25% email “open” ratio of roughly 1000 sent.
I cannot say it’s entirely worthless bc he did receive offers from schools via NCSA, but most came from camp performances and X dm’s and film.
We went through 4 “recruiting coaches” in 3 years, and had to build relationships with each new one which was frustrating. They have full time jobs too, so engagement is daunting. Our last coach did have very good connections that will perhaps pay dividends down the road, he’s an OC at a very highly recruited prep school in the south east.
IMO, you can do it all yourself, it just takes much more effort. Best bet is to dial in potential schools and begin contacting their position coaches, ga’s, analysts and attend their camps.
We ended up at a great D2 school that was outside of NCSA, never had a single engagement with them from there.
Best of luck, ask away if you have any other questions!

 

[JohnnyD1024]

I'm 50/50 on the guy. Aguilar only game vs top notch competition at Applachain State last season was Clemson. Stats were 18/41 214 yards passing, 43.9% completion percentage and a 38.7 QBR. Not very good some are going to say what about his other games? Well I don't see a Georgia State or Louisiana Monroe in SEC. Big step up for the young man, hopefully Aguilar can be a game manager and not turn the ball over and score enough points to win. Going to be depending on defense more than ever this upcoming season imo..

He was also playing for a G5 team that went 5-6 last season with a really bad defense against a team that made the playoffs last season. You don't think the the talent difference had anything to his poor stats that game?

 

[Enki_Amenra]

And just like that, it looks like a rainforest outside. Leaves grew like the Grinch's heart this week.

 

[rockytop25]

 

[Brillovol]

I’d second what Seargent said. It’s a great resource for small schools, however we did have engagement with fbs schools there as well. Whether it was a GA on the other end of actual coach, no way to tell?!
It is great for having contact info readily available, BUT, the student athlete email comes from “@ncsa….” And not a personalized account, which is is a turnoff for many. We’ve had coaches say they hit delete immediately.
You will get a ton of camp invites, most are money grab. Unless your daughter has actual engagement from a coach via email or X, she’s not being recruited, just filling a spot at a camp from our experience.
We had about a 25% email “open” ratio of roughly 1000 sent.
I cannot say it’s entirely worthless bc he did receive offers from schools via NCSA, but most came from camp performances and X dm’s and film.
We went through 4 “recruiting coaches” in 3 years, and had to build relationships with each new one which was frustrating. They have full time jobs too, so engagement is daunting. Our last coach did have very good connections that will perhaps pay dividends down the road, he’s an OC at a very highly recruited prep school in the south east.
IMO, you can do it all yourself, it just takes much more effort. Best bet is to dial in potential schools and begin contacting their position coaches, ga’s, analysts and attend their camps.
We ended up at a great D2 school that was outside of NCSA, never had a single engagement with them from there.
Best of luck, ask away if you have any other questions!

Excellent info. Thanks so much for your insight. We are going to start getting videos ourselves, contacting some coaches, and doing some camps this summer to get started. I want to try to pick the coaches’ brains and then maybe go from there. In the end, I get the sense it’s all about personal relationships whether you started on NCSA, YouTube, or via email.

 

[volbeast33]

P5 QB ratings - Joey is meh on QBR. Too many turnovers.

Our offense helps eliminate ints. Hooker int% his last year at Va Tech was 3.3. At Tennessee, It was 1.0 and .6. Joe Milton’s last year at Michagan, he had an int% of 2.8. At Tennessee, it was 0% and 1.4%. Joey Aguilar’s was 2.2 and 3.6 at App State. I expect to see similar improvement if he wins the job at Tennessee.

 

[volbeast33]

I wish I could find the positivity some of you seem to have. I just don't have it. I see a trainwreck, and I'm praying for survivors. I hope this new QB works out, but I have major doubts.

Nico was very meh in this offense. JH had fallen in love with NFL type bodies that just weren't accurate enough deep. Art Briles lit up the Big 12 with such studs as Nick Florence, Seth Russell, and Bryce Petty.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Excellent info. Thanks so much for your insight. We are going to start getting videos ourselves, contacting some coaches, and doing some camps this summer to get started. I want to try to pick the coaches’ brains and then maybe go from there. In the end, I get the sense it’s all about personal relationships whether you started on NCSA, YouTube, or via email.

Only thing I can say is don't trust the coaches to do anything to get your kid recruited. You basically have to do it all yourself. . .

I know a guy. . . his kid played volleyball and he's been through the recruiting process. . . he can help (for a small fee of course), we call him "Big Nic" around these parts,

 

[Glitch]

Who says we still can’t

 

[Volsdeep4]

He's a depth piece. Heupel has to earn his money this year.

He earned it last year with a worse QB on roster. In what world would anyone say nico is a better QB than JA?

 

[eVOLve]

What dreams are made of

 

[Glitch]

I wish I could find the positivity some of you seem to have. I just don't have it. I see a trainwreck, and I'm praying for survivors. I hope this new QB works out, but I have major doubts.

You are looking in the mirror again. Look away @Weezer! Look away!

 

[MoCo_Vol]

My favorite part.... Big Nic thinks that Tino Sunseri with this experience is going to prepare him better for the NFL.



Working under this HC

 

[Brillovol]

Only thing I can say is don't trust the coaches to do anything to get your kid recruited. You basically have to do it all yourself. . .

I know a guy. . . his kid played volleyball and he's been through the recruiting process. . . he can help (for a small fee of course), we call him "Big Nic" around these parts,

 

[volbeast33]

Excellent info. Thanks so much for your insight. We are going to start getting videos ourselves, contacting some coaches, and doing some camps this summer to get started. I want to try to pick the coaches’ brains and then maybe go from there. In the end, I get the sense it’s all about personal relationships whether you started on NCSA, YouTube, or via email.

My daughter went through the recruitment process. I found that the NCSA was not worth the overall cost. We competed in true showcase events(there are a lot of fake events). We went to recruit camps at individual schools. Videos are extremely important and reaching out to schools, personally. The school that ended up signing her invited her as an afterthought with another girl that they were recruiting heavily. My daughter dominated her in individual workouts and she was offered on the spot. It helped that the drills they ran were the same ones that we practiced every day. Good luck!

 

[Enki_Amenra]

I trust that this whole thing has lit a fire under Heupel. I can't imagine anyone wants Aguilar to light it up more.

Don't be fooled, there are a lot of QB's he could've gotten for $1.2 and we were apparently willing to go up to around $2.5m+. He liked Aguilar enough to pull the trigger on him.

We all said that if we had just average QB play last year we could've been even better. We would've beaten Arkansas with an avg QB. I think, with his experience, Aguilar can be at least avg and probably a lot better than avg.

 

[Glitch]

I'm 50/50 on the guy. Aguilar only game vs top notch competition at Applachain State last season was Clemson. Stats were 18/41 214 yards passing, 43.9% completion percentage and a 38.7 QBR. Not very good some are going to say what about his other games? Well I don't see a Georgia State or Louisiana Monroe in SEC. Big step up for the young man, hopefully Aguilar can be a game manager and not turn the ball over and score enough points to win. Going to be depending on defense more than ever this upcoming season imo..

When he played Clemson and didn't have a great game, he was playing a much better caliber defense with a much lower caliber offense support system around him. Not a fair comparison IMO. Will he come out and set the world on fire? Maybe and maybe not. Will he cone out and flop bigly? Maybe and maybe not. But I don't think it is fair to use that game as the baseline for how he might do when he has an SEC offense on his side going against and SEC defense on the other side.

 

[Brillovol]

My daughter went through the recruitment process. I found that the NCSA was not worth the overall cost. We competed in true showcase events(there are a lot of fake events). We went to recruit camps at individual schools. Videos are extremely important and reaching out to schools, personally. The school that ended up signing her invited her as an afterthought with another girl that they were recruiting heavily. My daughter dominated her in individual workouts and she was offered on the spot. It helped that the drills they ran were the same ones that we practiced every day. Good luck!

I think y’all have made my mind up. We’re probably only gonna be looking at a few select colleges anyway. I think we’re just going to focus on camps at those places to build relationships with coaches. Also, we’re not gonna be traveling that far. I want to be able to see her play and that won’t happen at a college five hours from here.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I trust that this whole thing has lit a fire under Heupel. I can't imagine anyone wants Aguilar to light it up more.

Don't be fooled, there are a lot of QB's he could've gotten for $1.2 and we were apparently willing to go up to around $2.5m+. He liked Aguilar enough to pull the trigger on him.

We all said that if we had just average QB play last year we could've been even better. We would've beaten Arkansas with an avg QB. I think, with his experience, Aguilar can be at least avg and probably a lot better than avg.

Here's the difference. Average QBs can be great with heart of even a slightly aged decrepit lion. Nico was made if Candy glass. Jarrett Geronimo was a warrior.

What does your team do, how do they respond down 4 with less than a minute. And you, the QB, leader of the offense choose to duck and run. You could bulldoze the defender and get extra yards. Or run toward the 1st down marker and hope to get it! Whoops! Game over.

Now, how does your team respond if you lower your shoulder and take dudes head off (metaphorically)? It says, no matter how ugly we play, you can ride on my shoulders. I think we win that game. Say what you will about Gaurantanimo but he wills us to a TD in that situation. Well he may fumble but he would risk life and limb trying.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

When he played Clemson and didn't have a great game, he was playing a much better caliber defense with a much lower caliber offense support system around him. Not a fair comparison IMO. Will he come out and set the world on fire? Maybe and maybe not. Will he cone out and flop bigly? Maybe and maybe not. But I don't think it is fair to use that game as the baseline for how he might do when he has an SEC offense on his side going against and SEC defense on the other side.

It sucks, because the first "highlight" that pops up on youtube is the Clemson game. It's from ACC highlights, but the title makes it seems like it's really a Aguilar highlight reel.

 

[TN-POSSUM]

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