Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[Jimmy Football]

The #1 ranked Lady Vols softball team host Clemson today at 6:00 p.m. on ESPNU


The #6 ranked baseVols host Lipscomb at 6:00 p.m. on SEC Network+...

Just realized that three of the five big sports have been ranked #1 this year.

 

[jasonvol18]

App State's entire season was a dumpster fire. Staff that was clearly getting canned. QBR often says as much about the team as it does the QB. Aguilar was the only thing they ever had going on offense.

And having to deal with moved home games because of Helene. They get a pass for last year. All their lives were completely turned upside down.

 

[volbeast33]

interesting.............????

Bama for me.....School over player/person

Its hard to hate guys that leave who were marginal here. Now if PM had left like either of these two idiots. We would have burnt it down.

 

[jasonvol18]

If karma is real Aguilar is going to have a great year. I also think our team will welcome him with open arms.

I said this same thing last night. Aguilar got screwed by UCLA. TN and Heupel get the props for sending Nico on his way, then we get the praise of bringing in a kid that got screwed by UCLA. If this works out for us, talk about the stories and great publicity we'd get.

 

[jasonvol18]

Guys around here won't back a mower off the trailer for less than $60

Same here and you're lucky if you get one for $60. But, well worth it! It would take me 2 hours to push mine and the hills would be a nightmare.

 

[jasonvol18]

I really don't know what to expect from Aguilar. He is at least quality depth. It may happen that he blossoms and eats in Heup's system. He may be a good back up in case Chase Elliot breaks his leg or he may be the diamond in the rough that we have pulled from the dirt track circuit takes the wheel of his first fast ride and never looks back.

I'm hoping Karma wins out!

 

[rikberry31]

I'm hoping Karma wins out!

Never let it be said that, "God doesn't have a sense of humor."

 

[VolGee4]

It seems that the prevailing opinion among CFB media personalities and now NFL Draft media personalities (and scouts) is that the Briles' Baylor Veer N Shoot, and now the Heupel/Tennessee variant, do not prepare players on offense for the NFL.

This was said last year when NFL people were evaluating Wright. It's being said this year about Sampson. It had been said about our WRs and QBs in the Draft. The Nico saga for the past two weeks has brought this back out.

This isn't just a few people talking about it. This is being stated so matter-of-factly that it is a foregone conclusion. It even made it to Pardon My Take, which is the most listened to sports podcast. You can't get any more mainstream.

We (UT fans, maybe staff) can dismiss it all we want, but it's out there in a major way. Not just among our conference rivals and opponents on the recruiting trail/portal, NFL scouts are just walking around saying this to anyone that will listen.

Just curious, but how does this affect a running back? In any system, there is a blocking scheme, and the RB hits the hole. The systems are tweaked/changed when new coaches are hired at the NFL level.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Same here and you're lucky if you get one for $60. But, well worth it! It would take me 2 hours to push mine and the hills would be a nightmare.

That's it for me. Between the heat and just the time. I cant justify it.

Last Saturday TCAP preparation for one kid was 2.5 hours...


we were half way done...

 

[BigSteve09]

Just curious, but how does this affect a running back? In any system, there is a blocking scheme, and the RB hits the hole. The systems are tweaked/changed when new coaches are hired at the NFL level.

I am not an NFL Scout, nor am I one of the talking heads.

Their knock was: "The RBs in that system do not face normal defensive boxes"

 

[VolGee4]

I am not an NFL Scout, nor am I one of the talking heads.

Their knock was: "The RBs in that system do not face normal defensive boxes"

Fair. It seems reasonable heads would prevail. I just don't see how a RB is affected by scheme. You have tape to see how he performs between the tackles and in open space.

 

[BigSteve09]

Fair. It seems reasonable heads would prevail. I just don't see how a RB is affected by scheme. You have tape to see how he performs between the tackles and in open space.

What the scouts are telling each other, and coaches, and apparently the media is that the Veer N Shoot QBs, WRs, RBs, TEs, OL may very well be great NFL prospects, but they (scouts) still have some finding out to do. Whereas players from other systems have more "NFL-ready" reps on tape, and presumably more "NFL-ready" training/prep under their belts. The players from this system will still be drafted on potential, but they are still seen as raw compared to other prospects.

 

[DD4ME]

Lol

 

[VolGee4]

What the scouts are telling each other, and coaches, and apparently the media is that the Veer N Shoot QBs, WRs, RBs, TEs, OL may very well be great NFL prospects, but they (scouts) still have some finding out to do. Whereas players from other systems have more "NFL-ready" reps on tape, and presumably more "NFL-ready" training/prep under their belts. The players from this system will still be drafted on potential, but they are still seen as raw compared to other prospects.

So, in essence, "we have to do our job."

 

[SoilVol]

Really, my Nephew came by yesterday and asked if I wanted him to mow my lawn this year. I said yea, he said "we need to up his pay " I said nope, take what you got last year or leave it. Well he said I will leave it. Well 3 hours later my nephew and his mom came over and he had decided to take my offer. I said nope I will pay $15 bucks less than last year, take it or leave it. That's what that greedy kid gets for trying to rip me off.

He's not ripping you off. Everything is more expensive, and with another year under his belt is experience and his time is worth more than it used to be. Pretty harsh way to handle a young family member, especially one that actually wants to work and have pride in his work, but you do you.

 

[BigSteve09]

So, in essence, "we have to do our job."

I think there is some of that to it as well, no doubt.

 

[Visidog]

What the scouts are telling each other, and coaches, and apparently the media is that the Veer N Shoot QBs, WRs, RBs, TEs, OL may very well be great NFL prospects, but they (scouts) still have some finding out to do. Whereas players from other systems have more "NFL-ready" reps on tape, and presumably more "NFL-ready" training/prep under their belts. The players from this system will still be drafted on potential, but they are still seen as raw compared to other prospects.

I think this is right. The premise of Huepel’s offense is getting into matchups that NFL teams rarely face. In pass protection, for example, a Tennessee RB will rarely have to make the kinds of reads that NFL backs have to make—reads based on a defensive complexity that most of Tennessee’s opponents lack. The spacing of the offense and the ball carrier’s path with the ball are also all different. Tennessee’s offense also challenges things that NFL teams are better at. College teams have limited practice time, but NFL teams have much more time to prepare. College teams may lack a slot corner or safety that can play fast enough to process the offense, but NFL players are both better athletes and more experienced.

These things may make the tape less relevant. I don’t think they mean much in terms of actual development. Some players may prefer a more NFL style program, and some teams may prefer to draft recruits with that kind of experience, but teams draft on potential and it just takes one team to draft a player.

 

[DD4ME]

What the scouts are telling each other, and coaches, and apparently the media is that the Veer N Shoot QBs, WRs, RBs, TEs, OL may very well be great NFL prospects, but they (scouts) still have some finding out to do. Whereas players from other systems have more "NFL-ready" reps on tape, and presumably more "NFL-ready" training/prep under their belts. The players from this system will still be drafted on potential, but they are still seen as raw compared to other prospects.

All fair. We added 12 personnel and pistol formations this year. The offense is changing and getting slower. Hyatt just didn't get any targets. We'll see on the rest.

 

[DD4ME]

 

[orange parmejohn]

Some of you mother****ers oughta be medicated.

No truer words have ever been spoken on VN.

 

[DD4ME]

 

[DD4ME]

I think this is right. The premise of Huepel’s offense is getting into matchups that NFL teams rarely face. In pass protection, for example, a Tennessee RB will rarely have to make the kinds of reads that NFL backs have to make—reads based on a defensive complexity that most of Tennessee’s opponents lack. The spacing of the offense and the ball carrier’s path with the ball are also all different. Tennessee’s offense also challenges things that NFL teams are better at. College teams have limited practice time, but NFL teams have much more time to prepare. College teams may lack a slot corner or safety that can play fast enough to process the offense, but NFL players are both better athletes and more experienced.

These things may make the tape less relevant. I don’t think they mean much in terms of actual development. Some players may prefer a more NFL style program, and some teams may prefer to draft recruits with that kind of experience, but teams draft on potential and it just takes one team to draft a player.

This.

 

[volbeast33]

Fair. It seems reasonable heads would prevail. I just don't see how a RB is affected by scheme. You have tape to see how he performs between the tackles and in open space.

The scheme which spreads everyone out is responsible for the majority of our rushing yards. We will always have a strong running game bc of this reason. Some of our rbs will be better than others but they are not running against similar fronts.

 

[KB5252]

It seems that the prevailing opinion among CFB media personalities and now NFL Draft media personalities (and scouts) is that the Briles' Baylor Veer N Shoot, and now the Heupel/Tennessee variant, do not prepare players on offense for the NFL.

This was said last year when NFL people were evaluating Wright. It's being said this year about Sampson. It had been said about our WRs and QBs in the Draft. The Nico saga for the past two weeks has brought this back out.

This isn't just a few people talking about it. This is being stated so matter-of-factly that it is a foregone conclusion. It even made it to Pardon My Take, which is the most listened to sports podcast. You can't get any more mainstream.

We (UT fans, maybe staff) can dismiss it all we want, but it's out there in a major way. Not just among our conference rivals and opponents on the recruiting trail/portal, NFL scouts are just walking around saying this to anyone that will listen.

The offense is very QB friendly, it can also be quickly dissected/diagnosed by defenses if they are taught it effectively. I think that's what you've seen happen the past teo seasons, that and some QB and other personnel limitations.

There are things you can do to hybridize it and add more wrinkles. The biggest advantage it gives you is at the line of scrimmage, pre snap, to adjust to what the defense is showing. If your QB can make the call quickly at the LOS and effectively communicate it to the receivers you can keep defenders in conflict. We've lacked that detail in the offense the last two seasons.

There are elements of the offense that are making their way to the league but the simplicity to diagnose seems to be a driver of it not being used at the next level.

 

[DD4ME]

Some of you mother****ers oughta be medicated.

You just now determining this? Pump up your evals.