Recruiting Football Talk VIII

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MoCo_Vol said:
What's interesting...

Auburn's 25 class is ranked 15th on 247
Florida is ranked 30th

Our 25 class is at 39th...

The 24 class for the top 4
Duke 1st
Auburn 34th
Houston 42nd
Florida 68th

NIL & Transfer Portal have changed the game is my point and the simple fact is Duke is the only consist top recruiting team that also has on court results right now to prove it matters.
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I looked it up:

Florida- Haugh, Condon, and Aberdeen were all 3 star recruits. Clayton, Martin, Richard, and Handlogten were all mid major transfers. Chinyelu was a Wash State transfer. This is not an elite recruit roster. Developed talent and veterans.

Houston- Sharp, Roberts, Francis were 3 star recruits. Uzan, Cryer were transfers but only top 125 players. Arceneaux and Tugler came off the bench and the only top 70 players. This is not an elite recruit roster. Development and veterans.

Auburn- Cardwell and Moore were 3 star, top 200 recruits. Neither good enough to leave before 5 years. Broome, Kelly, CBM, and Jones were all transfers. Kelly was the only P5 transfer. Chaney Johnson was a no star recruit. Pettiford is the only high level top 30 recruit. Development and veterans.

Duke- a bunch of pro players.

But, it proves that you don't really need elite rosters anymore. Development and veteran leadership.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
Just signed a top 5 class.

Sure, they got busted down a rank or two. But thinking that Barnes snapped a finger and made them irrelevant is ignorant to fact that Pope is bringing in talent (arguably better than we are).

Barnes is either here or not. Love having this staff but they arent elite recruiters. Top 5 teams are proof that it matters.
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Elite players are a scarce commodity. Elite players that meet Barnes criteria for things other than just basketball acumen are even more rare. Barnes will never bring in the same level of talent the other Elite programs do because of that. That's why he's perfect for this job. He does more with less.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
It would have to be a clear upgrade, but I think its a possibility.
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Is it possible...yes, likely no.

We only return 4 guys...Felix & Cade are the most experienced of those 4 guys at this point. Cade is only gone if Cade wants to leave I think.

Now if we see his minutes dwindle next year then we're as a team in likely a better spot in the frontcourt. Because I think he's just as talented as anyone else and has 2 full years with this staff earning their trust.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I looked it up:

Florida- Haugh, Condon, and Aberdeen were all 3 star recruits. Clayton, Martin, Richard, and Handlogten were all mid major transfers. Chinyelu was a Wash State transfer. This is not an elite recruit roster. Developed talent and veterans.

Houston- Sharp, Roberts, Francis were 3 star recruits. Uzan, Cryer were transfers but only top 125 players. Arceneaux and Tugler came off the bench and the only top 70 players. This is not an elite recruit roster. Development and veterans.

Auburn- Cardwell and Moore were 3 star, top 200 recruits. Neither good enough to leave before 5 years. Broome, Kelly, CBM, and Jones were all transfers. Kelly was the only P5 transfer. Chaney Johnson was a no star recruit. Pettiford is the only high level top 30 recruit. Development and veterans.

Duke- a bunch of pro players.

But, it proves that you don't really need elite rosters anymore. Development and veteran leadership.
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Strong post. Thanks for the research. I had to look up Broome and it appears he was a 3 star recruit and 4 star transfer. Thus, our roster is simialr to three of those four programs with developed talent mixed with transfers. It's going to be exciting to watch the development of our next roster.
 
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MoCo_Vol said:
Is it possible...yes, likely no.

We only return 4 guys...Felix & Cade are the most experienced of those 4 guys at this point. Cade is only gone if Cade wants to leave I think.

Now if we see his minutes dwindle next year then we're as a team in likely a better spot in the frontcourt. Because I think he's just as talented as anyone else and has 2 full years with this staff earning their trust.
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Idk. Just a thought I had.
 
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HoleInTheRoof said:
UFL starts in a seven weeks (according to their SB commercial last night).

Not sure if I'll try and watch it or not. Probably? Hoping we have good Vols representation. Doesn't look like the final rosters are set yet but so far this seems to be the current VFL's in the UFL

Javonta Payton (Arlington Renegades)
Bryce Thompson (DC Defenders)
Paxton Brooks (DC Defenders)
Kyle Phillips (Birmingham Stallions)
Jacob Warren (Memphis Showboats)


And that appears to be it.

Figured we'd have more? I know some recent guys like Roman Harrison and Aaron Beasley likely didn't have the measurables for the NFL but I can't believe they're not good enough for the UFL. According to Glassdoor, the average UFL salary is between 65k-122k a year which isn't bad for a young guy right out of college.
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mr.checkerboards said:
So, I didnt mention that for a couple reasons.

A healthy Estrella changes the center position a lot.

Now, the 4 has me intruiged..... People wont like this, but I wonder if Cade is asked to move elsewhere this off season. The hustle is good, and dunks are fun, but he hasnt shown any offensive ability outside of the dunks.
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I dont think we have a problem with our bigs. Okpara is an elite defender and I think his offensive game will expand next year. Getting Estrella back will help. Barnes doesn’t get rid of dependable guys who play defense so I expect Phillips back, and think his offense will improve as he continues to add weight. I will say though that I was disappointed by Milicic this season, especially in the second half. Just didn’t seem aggressive enough offensively or defensively. We really could have used him to stay out of foul trouble AND be a threat on offense. Last great game he had was on February 11th. Maybe wouldn’t have felt like we had to take so many threes and kept games closer when the threes weren’t dropping if he were as dependable on offense as we needed him to be. Very Olivier Nkamhoua reminiscent. Tons of athleticism, should be a force inside, can hit the outside shot, but could count on one hand the number of games where he played to the level he’s capable of.
 
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Adam Sandler said:
I dont think we have a problem with our bigs. Okpara is an elite defender and I think his offensive game will expand next year. Getting Estrella back will help. Barnes doesn’t get rid of dependable guys who play defense so I expect Phillips back, and think his offense will improve as he continues to add weight. I will say though that I was disappointed by Milicic this season, especially in the second half. Just didn’t seem aggressive enough offensively or defensively. We really could have used him to stay out of foul trouble and be a threat on offense. Last great game he had was on February 11th. Maybe wouldn’t have felt like we had to take so many threes and kept games closer when the threes weren’t dropping if he were as dependable on offense as we needed him to be. Very Olivier Nkamhoua reminiscent. Tons of athleticism, should be a force inside, can hit the outside shot, but could count on one hand the number of games where he played to the level he’s capable of.
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Completely agree on Igor. Very disappointed in his performance this year. He could have been a poor man's DK, but rarely did he show the aggression needed for that. He was content to sit outside most games and brick 3s.

He fell the shortest of his potential in my opinion.
 
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jave36 said:
Completely agree on Igor. Very disappointed in his performance this year. He could have been a poor man's DK, but rarely did he show the aggression needed for that. He was content to sit outside most games and brick 3s.

He fell the shortest of his potential in my opinion.
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I thought early that he would eventually be our best player. Bad call on my part.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
So, I didnt mention that for a couple reasons.

A healthy Estrella changes the center position a lot.

Now, the 4 has me intruiged..... People wont like this, but I wonder if Cade is asked to move elsewhere this off season. The hustle is good, and dunks are fun, but he hasnt shown any offensive ability outside of the dunks.
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Cade played his heart out when on the floor. He wasn't physically where we would have liked but if Estrella is here and Cade's getting 10-15 a game it's more ideal. He continued to get better but Houston's inside group were just a lot more physically developed. Cade should be here for his full career.
 
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