Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[Nashvegas31]

Brumbaugh Colorado bio says he coached Chandler Jones at Syracuse into first rd pick. Bud Dupree at KY. Had 6 DL including Za’Darius Smith from his East Miss Juco DL to sign D1 scholarships. Smith was top juco in country.

Felton coaches Big Kat Bryant, Quay Walker and Montsvious Adams in HS. Guy coached some studs at HS level

 

[WarMachine]

Brumbaugh Colorado bio says he coached Chandler Jones at Syracuse into first rd pick. Bud Dupree at KY. Had 6 DL including Za’Darius Smith from his East Miss Juco DL to sign D1 scholarships. Smith was top juco in country.

Felton coaches Big Kat Bryant, Quay Walker and Montsvious Adams in HS. Guy coached some studs at HS level

MtVesuvius Adams sounds unstoppable.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

You’re unsure about the replacement hires because you’re not qualified to have an educated opinion on them. None of us are. Pruitt hired them the same day the other guys left, that tells me these weren’t some spur of the moment hires. He’s been planning this awhile and I highly doubt he’s unsure of his hires.

I'm sure he wasn't unsure of Tyson Helton either. How'd that work out? It's easy to just defend every move the coach makes, I usually do that also. But it is also fair to note that these are risky hires as neither have experience at this level. Especially Felton. And DL and OLB are extremely important positions.

 

[chargervol]

I'd argue its the optimal thing... at least for actual hunting dogs. Youngin's bring the energy to the fight and learn from the old ones. When things get tough, the old ones come through and take over with experience. Put the youngin's back on track.

I imagine that dynamic holds true for most team situations with humans too.

And notice, the hires are the opposite at the head positions OC/DC. And of course, add in Pruitt himself.
The new guys have all the room they need to prove themselves but very little room to screw up.

 

[Kingston Vol]

I'm sure he wasn't unsure of Tyson Helton either. How'd that work out? It's easy to just defend every move the coach makes, I usually do that also. But it is also fair to note that these are risky hires as neither have experience at this level. Especially Felton. And DL and OLB are extremely important positions.

Bass, I am giving you are hard time today but you are largely correct. Any time you replace a coach - especially a coach part of a successful staff - you are taking a chance.

Brumbaugh is a fine hire. If Bama, Georgia or UF hired him I’d feel the same way.

Felton is risky but my bet is 1) he’s a huge recruiting upgrade and 2) Pruitt feels like he and Ansley control so much of the defensive coaching that those guys can just sit back a little bit and learn.

It’s not revolutionary to say it all comes down to wins and losses. We’ll see in the fall.

 

[Jimmy Football]

it means we don't trust Pruitt

You’ve been talking to YAC, haven’t you?

 

[Devo182]

Pruitt is hiring these guys for a reason and that reason is that he thinks they will improve the team. He's not being like whatever let's just make some hires it really doesn't matter.

We can hope, but we'll never know. Maybe AV knows or has a hunch, but let's be real the rest of us are guessing. The best we can do is make educated guesses using evidence on a case by case basis. Sounds like Pruitt wanted or was fine with some leaving, but I don't remember it being this many or all the guys that have left.

We always want to assume the best with replacements, but what if his top options weren't available or he just can't get them? It's not like he can get "the pick of the litter" at the moment.

Hoping for the best and will give the new guys every chance to prove themselves, but I'm also not going to act like this much turnover was Pruitt the puppetmaster just saying he's going to upgrade multiple positions and voila.

Fwiw, I thought all last year's hirings were upgrades and it was expected his first staff, built in a short time, would not be his final long-term staff. And maybe this is the last of that turnover, fingers crossed.

 

[Type Orange+]

Matt Jones?

Never heard of her.

 

[Weezer]

My exact assessment of you. Worried me for a sec.

Different rules for different forums, lol. It's like having multiple personalities.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Bass, I am giving you are hard time today but you are largely correct. Any time you replace a coach - especially a coach part of a successful staff - you are taking a chance.

Brumbaugh is a fine hire. If Bama, Georgia or UF hired him I’d feel the same way.

Felton is risky but my bet is 1) he’s a huge recruiting upgrade and 2) Pruitt feels like he and Ansley control so much of the defensive coaching that those guys can just sit back a little bit and learn.

It’s not revolutionary to say it all comes down to wins and losses. We’ll see in the fall.

And I'd say you're right about all of this. But at the same time, I don't think anything is wrong with saying that I wish we would have went with someone who is a known commodity and is less of a risk. This is an important year, those are important positions, we don't need to regress at those two positions. We need to get better. Hopefully we just got better with these two guys. We'll see.

 

[jakez4ut]

im just not worried......love the fact that there was a plan, and that there's history with both guys with Ansley and Pruitt. this isn't a sight unseen deal.

i think between the two of them, they know what they're getting......and they didn't have to wait to make it happen apparently....

@Bassmaster_Vol yeah, it's definitely TBD on actualy results/performance. agreed. and i don't think you're poo pooing the hires.

it's just not coming off the way you want it.

i think Felton probably has a bunch of upside and i'll be surprised if he's not an upgrade on the crootin' trail. i think the thing i might be most interested in about brumbaugh is if he's here more than a year or two...lol. he's moved around quite a bit....something that will have to be addressed while we're recruiting players to play for him.....some good and bad that can be said for the number of stops he's made....

past that.......don't really have any issues with either guy.

still wondering about CHip Long...is that done or still in the works or dead?

 

[Smokeytom]

I'm sure he wasn't unsure of Tyson Helton either. How'd that work out? It's easy to just defend every move the coach makes, I usually do that also. But it is also fair to note that these are risky hires as neither have experience at this level. Especially Felton. And DL and OLB are extremely important positions.

Brumbaugh coached DL at Kentucky, Maryland, and CO. That's "this level." Even if Maryland and CO are trash, he helped develop and recruit the players that eventually won 10 games at Kentucky.

 

[Jimmy Football]

I just love that today started off with discussion about the nonsense David Johnson “trust” quote, and everyone being like “Lol, how could someone not trust what Pruitt is doing right now?”

And then, like f’ing clockwork, a couple of guys leave and we’re all in here debating whether or not we should trust Pruitt’s judgment.

It’s just so perfect. Couldn’t have scripted it any better.

[Chef’s kiss]

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Brumbaugh coached DL at Kentucky, Maryland, and CO. That's "this level." Even if Maryland and CO are trash, he helped develop and recruit the players that eventually won 10 games at Kentucky.

I guess, but I don't put KY anywhere near our level. But there's no doubt he did a good job for them.

 

[MrVolton]

And I'd say you're right about all of this. But at the same time, I don't think anything is wrong with saying that I wish we would have went with someone who is a known commodity and is less of a risk. This is an important year, those are important positions, we don't need to regress at those two positions. We need to get better. Hopefully we just got better with these two guys. We'll see.

I feel the same about Felton as I did with Osovet (even read similar things about them in their off the field roles from recruits coming off visits). If they were the only staff moves on their respective side of the ball, I would be disappointed. But each hire coincided with moves that also brought in coaches with nice track records of putting guys in the NFL and extensive SEC ties/experience in Graham and Brumbaugh.

 

[Weezer]

My biggest concern would be Felton. You move Nieds to ILB and you hire this guy for OLB, that's not a lot of experience at actually coaching LBs. And that's not a swipe at either guy, just a plain truth.

 

[Smokeytom]

I guess, but I don't put KY anywhere near our level. But there's no doubt he did a good job for them.

As far on the field they are no where close, but its still a Power 5 job going against the best the country has to offer every week. Tee and Ansley both have stops there on their way to bigger jobs.

Mel Tucker has got to be pissed. Pruitt beat him out for this job and now Pruitt is stealing his coaches lmao

 

[jakez4ut]

Brumbaugh coached DL at Kentucky, Maryland, and CO. That's "this level." Even if Maryland and CO are trash, he helped develop and recruit the players that eventually won 10 games at Kentucky.

he hasn't been anywhere long enought to build a body of work, at least consistently that is..... he's had some flashes and the stuff he's got on his resume so for is good. he did good work at Syracuse too.

would like to see what he might can do if he stuck around somewhere for more than a couple years........i think he's probably a pretty good hire and could be a good coach for an extended period of time......would probalby tell a lot about his recruiting skills as well if he stuck around for a bit.

anyway....he knows the conf. the guys that have hired him in the past are generally accepted as good to great defensive minds......so there's probably something there.

i have no anxiety at all about him as a coach. that comes later if we go backwards.

for now..................lettuce.

 

[Pepe]

I've had 5.

I'm a Kroger Cola Oh man myself

 

[pierce60]

My biggest concern would be Felton. You move Nieds to ILB and you hire this guy for OLB, that's not a lot of experience at actually coaching LBs. And that's not a swipe at either guy, just a plain truth.

You are just saying they haven't done it, but that doesn't mean that can't do it. That's a good stance to take IMO.

 

[jakez4ut]

I guess, but I don't put KY anywhere near our level. But there's no doubt he did a good job for them.

which should stand out actually. UK had an elite defensive line for a year or two. he was part of that....AT KY.

should bode well for a program that fancies itself a rung or two higher on the football heirarchy of the SEC...............

 

[chargervol]

And I'd say you're right about all of this. But at the same time, I don't think anything is wrong with saying that I wish we would have went with someone who is a known commodity and is less of a risk. This is an important year, those are important positions, we don't need to regress at those two positions. We need to get better. Hopefully we just got better with these two guys. We'll see.

I'm only comfortable because Pruitt is comfortable and it's on the defensive side of the ball. The replacements were so quick and I truly don't believe they have room to screw up.

Ron mentioned us not being familiar and I agree with that also. TBH, anyone not familiar with Osovet would be like, "huh?" But the main difference is we were familiar.

But I do agree that ultimately, we're just going to have to see. Nothing is proven.

 

[butchna]

I'm sure he wasn't unsure of Tyson Helton either. How'd that work out? It's easy to just defend every move the coach makes, I usually do that also. But it is also fair to note that these are risky hires as neither have experience at this level. Especially Felton. And DL and OLB are extremely important positions.

I think both Helton and Terry Fair were Take a Flyer hires and he’s not bound to repeat them. This whole season many have pined for Tosh Lupoi and/or Bo Davis and weren’t prepared for any other hire. Same as those previously who wanted Friend gone with Sam Pittman as the only acceptable hire. Fans know the sexy names and are clueless beyond that.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

MtVesuvius Adams sounds unstoppable.

Sounds like he may blow his top and kill some people.

 

[Volinmem]

My biggest concern would be Felton. You move Nieds to ILB and you hire this guy for OLB, that's not a lot of experience at actually coaching LBs. And that's not a swipe at either guy, just a plain truth.

This is true, but also we have 2 coaches that are considered 2 of the best DC's (Pruitt/Ansley) overseeing them.