Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[VolInDayton]

No worries Colorado, I hear Intern Butch is available

If only he listened to Peyton and went there the first time.

 

[butchna]

Sucks for the kids he recruited to Colorado. You know several chose to go because of him. Now they're stuck there for the time being.

Wonder if he'll try to steal Jimmy B. for his new staff? Read where he supposedly got a large pool for assistants. Would suck to hire a new DL coach only to have him immediately poached.

Or Chip Long for OC even.

 

[butchna]

With the money Mel Tucker is being paid at MSU it seems to me Phil needs to be bumping CJP’s salary. I will take where we are after 2 seasons and a top 10 recruiting class over what MSU got for their money. We don’t need to have our coaches poached over money. Bump the assistant pool as well. On another point, don’t blame Tucker for leaving, but he should have stayed off the 3 different radio shows he went on yesterday telling them he was staying at CU. All the while, him knowing his agent and MSU were ironing out the details of his contract. He should have just laid low yesterday, worked out the contract and taken the MSU job. You know it will be used to negative recruit against him that his word is worthless. JMO on both subjects.

Fulmer and Pruitt have a plan to bump up his salary imo. The reactionaries bellyaching about what it took to keep Barnes makes it a soft sell necessity on Pruitt’s.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

CJP is about to get a nice raise and extension, no doubt about it.

I hope so.....I've been wondering when it is coming.

 

[VolInDayton]

I think Mel Tucker made a bad decision.

In what world is Michigan State a better job than Colorado? Hell, the living situation alone would make me stay.

I think going to Michigan St now is cashing in early and hurting his long term potiental salary. I would have enjoyed Boulder and an easy Pac12 for a couple years and tried to cash in with a bigger payday.

 

[butchna]

Go 5-7 and double your salary? Great business plan!

 

[UTSuave’]

We put up 82 brah

It’s Arkansas.

 

[UTSuave’]

The Tennessee Vols have their own version of Joe Brady in Knoxville

 

[butchna]

It’s Arkansas.

It’s who we played.

 

[AppStVol]

I think Mel Tucker made a bad decision.

In what world is Michigan State a better job than Colorado? Hell, the living situation alone would make me stay.

Soft landing to close out his career, but I would agree otherwise.

 

[AppStVol]

I think going to Michigan St now is cashing in early and hurting his long term potiental salary. I would have enjoyed Boulder and an easy Pac12 for a couple years and tried to cash in with a bigger payday.

Mel is 63 so I'm not sure he is looking at much more than a 7-10 yr window regardless.

 

[StoVol]

 

[blued125]

This thread has turned into a dumpster fire. Can we kill it??!!

 

[jakez4ut]

From JAV who is definitely an insider who posts on 247:

“Felton is a high energy guy, was a really good HS coach in GA. He recruited very well at UTC for that level and his players really responded. I watched alot of their practices under Tom Arth and Felton stood out with his energy and passion. He's one of those guys that will fit into any high energy culture and he loves to recruit. Is he an upgrade? As a recruiter, probably. As a coach? No way but he knows how to coach LBer's in our system and what Pruitt wants out of that group.

As for Brumbaugh, when a guy gets hired by Mark Stoops, Mel Tucker and Jeremy Pruitt, you know he's good. All 3 of those guys are elite defensive minds. I met him at East Mississippi Community College in Scooba, MS. He is a very good teacher of technique and doesn't mind getting right with his group when it is warranted. He has a ton of contacts all over the south and knows how the Junior College game is played, especially in MS where they are loaded with NFL talent every year. He will recruit his area well and be better than average as a position coach.

Nieds to backers is really a natural position for him and he will get to spend alot of time with Pruitt and DA, which has been Pruitt's plan for awhile.

Osovet will shine IMO and TE's will have boosted production under him. There will be a marked difference in how we use the TE next year. There is talent there and I expect it to bloom. Joe O could coach just about any position on offense IMO.

Chip Long is a guy you add because he's got a cheap price tag and alot to offer, especially from knowing an RPO offensive philosophy. Pretty much a no brainer.

Weinke is still very much up in the air as far as I know, Rumph gets to be home now by 6 every night and Rocker was moving on one way or the other.

Pruitt is hard to work for because he works long hours and is recruiting all day every day. He expects the same from his staff. That pretty much describes 95% of every college football program. There is ridiculous turnover because young guys are trying to move up and old guys are looking for the best situation for best return in ratio to years left.

Continuity is a thing of the past because college football means life changing money for everyone involved at the coaching level. Everyone is looking to move into a better position. It is also easier to move between the college game and the NFL now as they are all running the same stuff and terminology is very similar. There is no spread vs pro style anymore. All of it is the same to some degree. In the past there were distinct differences, especially offensively. Those differences are very small nuances now.

The best take away from this is that Pruitt had his list of replacements and got exactly who he wanted long before all of this came down. He's grown alot as a CEO and he learns quickly. He was far from ready in his FSU, UGA days and really raw even when we hired him. He is night and day from then to now. He wants to be great, not just good, and he's surrounded himself with people who are alot like him in work ethic and desire to be great at what they do. I'll be shocked if we see anything resembling what we saw to begin the season last year. We aren't "back" but we are off to a really good start.”

the money available for coaching staffs is just ridiculous nowadays. and everyone's in the same arms race, so it's just gotten plain goofy....and i'd expect, too, that the carosuel continues, and we see less and less continuity going forward on staffs at big time programs.

he has a good point on the NFL....offenses have caught up, bu defensively, almost everyone is running those hybrid 34 schemes with that Nickel that is' a jack of all trades......so coaches on that side of the ball transition better too.

but Big 10 and SEC schools getting checks of $45M-$50M EACH................in TV revenue alone.......that's why Mich St or Miss St or Ole Miss or Purdue can go spend w/the big boys on coaching staffs.......

but something will have to give on the recruiting at some point. that's got to be the single biggest stressor for college coaches. if you don't love doing it......you almost can't coach at this level.

 

[jakez4ut]

I can't tell if I'm a fkn homer or not but I swear I really really really like our 2020 class. I mean, almost all the lowly rated guys I feel like were underrated. I feel like literally all of them will be contributors, and I feel like many of them get a legit shot at the NFL.

When I look at the list, I can't decide which one I like the most as an 'underrated sleeper.' I can make a case for Holiday, Spraggins, Slaughter, and Perry.

I think Beckwith far outplays his "three star" ranking.

I think Small probably never has more than 500 yards combined receiving/rushing in an individual season - but he spends all four years here getting touches.

The only one I really don't have much of an opinion on is Tee Hodge, and that is largely because of his injury history.

i think this class is really, really deep. may not have the star power at the top like the 19 class...and i think the 19 class was pretty deep, as evidenced by how many made solid contributions this past season......, but this class i think is actually deeper. and we're finally to the point where this group won't HAVE to be relied upon to start or contribute.

so yeah, i think you'll see a handfull that will stand out for sure. couldn't even hazard a guess as to who though. lots of options.

 

[StoVol]

 

[bray2milton]

 

[jakez4ut]

I think Mel Tucker made a bad decision.

In what world is Michigan State a better job than Colorado? Hell, the living situation alone would make me stay.

especially after he sent out that tweet last week about being 100% committed to "the build" in boulder. lol.

i'm sure MSU opened up the vault.

but i agree....CO is a better situation imo. the Pac 12 is not great, lots of room for upward mobility. the big 10 is deeper and has a legit contender in OSU to get thru.

but...money talks......and it would have to, to get me to move to East Lansing, MI. ugh.

 

[jakez4ut]

There's a decent chance MSU gets some sanctions with the NCAA. There were some pretty significant accusations that led to CMD retiring so abruptly.

another good point.

 

[engineerVOL]

The Tennessee Vols have their own version of Joe Brady in Knoxville

Joey O...

Joe Osovet, a former off-the-field coach who was recently promoted to tight ends coach, is somewhat of the RPO godfather.

 

[zhangliao04]

From JAV who is definitely an insider who posts on 247:

“Felton is a high energy guy, was a really good HS coach in GA. He recruited very well at UTC for that level and his players really responded. I watched alot of their practices under Tom Arth and Felton stood out with his energy and passion. He's one of those guys that will fit into any high energy culture and he loves to recruit. Is he an upgrade? As a recruiter, probably. As a coach? No way but he knows how to coach LBer's in our system and what Pruitt wants out of that group.

As for Brumbaugh, when a guy gets hired by Mark Stoops, Mel Tucker and Jeremy Pruitt, you know he's good. All 3 of those guys are elite defensive minds. I met him at East Mississippi Community College in Scooba, MS. He is a very good teacher of technique and doesn't mind getting right with his group when it is warranted. He has a ton of contacts all over the south and knows how the Junior College game is played, especially in MS where they are loaded with NFL talent every year. He will recruit his area well and be better than average as a position coach.

Nieds to backers is really a natural position for him and he will get to spend alot of time with Pruitt and DA, which has been Pruitt's plan for awhile.

Osovet will shine IMO and TE's will have boosted production under him. There will be a marked difference in how we use the TE next year. There is talent there and I expect it to bloom. Joe O could coach just about any position on offense IMO.

Chip Long is a guy you add because he's got a cheap price tag and alot to offer, especially from knowing an RPO offensive philosophy. Pretty much a no brainer.

Weinke is still very much up in the air as far as I know, Rumph gets to be home now by 6 every night and Rocker was moving on one way or the other.

Pruitt is hard to work for because he works long hours and is recruiting all day every day. He expects the same from his staff. That pretty much describes 95% of every college football program. There is ridiculous turnover because young guys are trying to move up and old guys are looking for the best situation for best return in ratio to years left.

Continuity is a thing of the past because college football means life changing money for everyone involved at the coaching level. Everyone is looking to move into a better position. It is also easier to move between the college game and the NFL now as they are all running the same stuff and terminology is very similar. There is no spread vs pro style anymore. All of it is the same to some degree. In the past there were distinct differences, especially offensively. Those differences are very small nuances now.

The best take away from this is that Pruitt had his list of replacements and got exactly who he wanted long before all of this came down. He's grown alot as a CEO and he learns quickly. He was far from ready in his FSU, UGA days and really raw even when we hired him. He is night and day from then to now. He wants to be great, not just good, and he's surrounded himself with people who are alot like him in work ethic and desire to be great at what they do. I'll be shocked if we see anything resembling what we saw to begin the season last year. We aren't "back" but we are off to a really good start.”

Wait.....so don't freak out?

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I wonder how pissed this guy is....

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He should transfer here

 

[Jimmy Football]

In what world is Michigan State a better job than Colorado? Hell, the living situation alone would make me stay.

I would have enjoyed Boulder.

but i agree....CO is a better situation imo.

Ya know, not everyone likes weed.

 

[zhangliao04]

Mel is 63 so I'm not sure he is looking at much more than a 7-10 yr window regardless.

Dude's 48. He definitely has that 7-10 year window plus some.

 

[TrippieRedd]

Go 5-7 and double your salary? Great business plan!

Should be easier to recruit to as well. Will that translate to wins? Guess we will see.