Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[butchna]

twas a joke

I've never had hate for the guy. If I were in his shoes at a job and my dream job opened up, I would probably take it as well.

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[RiotVol]

Ya'll wanna talk about "orange blinders" you must have them on big time...talking about Kiffin.

Tennessee 2009 Football Commits

Past the first 4 names I kept saying "who?" Brown never even reached 1k rushing yards in his career and was only at UT for that single season, Nu'Keese Richardson a one year dud didn't even have a TD catch. Janzen Jackson appeared to be a NFL guy in the making, but we all know where that ended up.

Where did the folks that Fulmer have coming in end up? I remember Taj Boyd and Bryce Petty were both on the hook.

This is the ultimate "what if" that we'll always circle back around to rehashing.

I will go to the grave laying all of this at the feet of Mike Hamilton.

 

[HankHill]

It’s funny to me that people think Kiffin would have been successful here. Is it because of all that success he had at USC?

Kiffin sucks. His team was loaded here and should’ve won 9 games. Never mind the fact he failed at USC.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Patterson was too much of a football coach................................................

What’s interesting is, we might have set ourselves up for the same situation again IF Pruitt ultimately fails here. Guys like Leach, Brohm, Mullen (if you believe Currie ignored him), and Doeren all wanted this job and we went with the good ole boy.

Not saying it’s a forgone conclusion Pruitt fails nor am I saying any of those guys are as good as Gary Patterson - but there’s some ominous foreshadowing here.

 

[BruinVol]

Patterson was too much of a football coach................................................

I think the last ten years has shown us he wouldn’t have Made here either. He’s a solid coach but his inconsistency shows he has plenty of blemishes and isn’t good enough to survive in this job

 

[Aesius]

I think the last ten years has shown us he wouldn’t have Made here either. He’s a solid coach but his inconsistency shows he has plenty of blemishes and isn’t good enough to survive in this job

I think he would have taken advantage of a down SEC East for quite a while. But you bring up a good point...Patterson almost certainly would have had a 6-6 or worse season here and there at UT. Would we have fired him immediately? Probably. Especially if it happened twice in a 3-4 year span, which seems common for him at TCU post-2011.

 

[BruinVol]

I think he would have taken advantage of a down SEC East for quite a while. But you bring up a good point...Patterson almost certainly would have had a 6-6 or worse season here and there at UT. Would we have fired him immediately? Probably. Especially if it happened twice in the 3-4 years, which seems common for him at TCU post-2011.

He’s won 7 or less games in 4 of his last 7 years. No shot that would sit well here.

But yea either way he’d have been better than DD

 

[BearCat204]

I think the last ten years has shown us he wouldn’t have Made here either. He’s a solid coach but his inconsistency shows he has plenty of blemishes and isn’t good enough to survive in this job

He's winningest coach in their program history, has failed to make a bowl game in only 2 out of his 19 years there, and has won at least 10 games 11 out of those 19 seasons.................at freaking TCU. With our tradition, money, recruiting budget, facilities, I have no doubt he would still be coaching here.

 

[Jack Burton]

What’s interesting is, we might have set ourselves up for the same situation again IF Pruitt ultimately fails here. Guys like Leach, Brohm, Mullen (if you believe Currie ignored him), and Doeren all wanted this job and we went with the good ole boy.

Not saying it’s a forgone conclusion Pruitt fails nor am I saying any of those guys are as good as Gary Patterson - but there’s some ominous foreshadowing here.

Pruitt can probably build a decent roster here in 4 or 5 years unless recruiting just tanks. With that said, recruiting sure is quiet right now...

 

[Aesius]

He’s won 7 or less games in 4 of his last 7 years. No shot that would sit well here.

But yea either way he’d have been better than DD

Looking back I'm not sure any realistic candidate at the time would have done well enough here. Even Cut probably would have gotten fired. That's the rub of imagining a scenario where we didn't bungle Fulmer's or Kiffin's replacement. Expectations still would have been high, and the first bad season probably would have resulted in a pink slip. Maybe Brian Kelly would have worked out but I also think he would have job hopped quickly.

 

[JohnnyD1024]

What’s interesting is, we might have set ourselves up for the same situation again IF Pruitt ultimately fails here. Guys like Leach, Brohm, Mullen (if you believe Currie ignored him), and Doeren all wanted this job and we went with the good ole boy.

Not saying it’s a forgone conclusion Pruitt fails nor am I saying any of those guys are as good as Gary Patterson - but there’s some ominous foreshadowing here.

Doeren turned us down because the fanbase was still in full on psycho mode after Schiano stuff. Brohm also turned us down and he isn't exactly setting the world on fire at Purdue.

 

[Garren04]

What’s interesting is, we might have set ourselves up for the same situation again IF Pruitt ultimately fails here. Guys like Leach, Brohm, Mullen (if you believe Currie ignored him), and Doeren all wanted this job and we went with the good ole boy.

Not saying it’s a forgone conclusion Pruitt fails nor am I saying any of those guys are as good as Gary Patterson - but there’s some ominous foreshadowing here.

Brohm or Doeren wouldn’t stand a chance here.

 

[BruinVol]

Looking back I'm not sure any realistic candidate at the time would have done well enough here. Even Cut probably would have gotten fired. That's the rub of imagining a scenario where we didn't bungle Fulmer's or Kiffin's replacement. Expectations still would have been high, and the first bad season probably would have resulted in a pink slip. Maybe Brian Kelly would have worked out but I also think he would have job hopped quickly.

Agree completely. I’ve been saying for a few years now that 8 win seasons need to be celebrated. We just aren’t going to magically get back to the elite level imo

 

[HankHill]

I think the last ten years has shown us he wouldn’t have Made here either. He’s a solid coach but his inconsistency shows he has plenty of blemishes and isn’t good enough to survive in this job

It’s TCU. They shouldn’t ever be better than OU, Texas, Ok State etc. he’s a great coach.

 

[BruinVol]

Doeren turned us down because the fanbase was still in full on psycho mode after Schiano stuff. Brohm also turned us down and he isn't exactly setting the world on fire at Purdue.

And I was in LOVE with Fuentes. They all wouldn’t survive the gauntlet Here

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

You guys that know more about football than I do... What's wrong with our DL? It isn't like the guys playing that position aren't big enough, their huge. So what is the problem? Are they just not talented enough? Are they not explosive enough, lacking quick twitch? Are they not strong enough? Are they using poor technique, not getting proper leverage? What's the deal there?

 

[BigOrangeVols]

Kiffin started this chain reaction. Dooley wouldn't have been hired had lane not left us scrambling .

Debatable. I do agree but our administration has been/is pretty terrible and some competency in that department could have helped along the way. University of Haslam.

 

[SLICKYINC]

The who's who of page 507.....

 

[jakez4ut]

What’s interesting is, we might have set ourselves up for the same situation again IF Pruitt ultimately fails here. Guys like Leach, Brohm, Mullen (if you believe Currie ignored him), and Doeren all wanted this job and we went with the good ole boy.

Not saying it’s a forgone conclusion Pruitt fails nor am I saying any of those guys are as good as Gary Patterson - but there’s some ominous foreshadowing here.

i think that's been the case since Kiffin left......lol. i haven't really had any faith in anything we've done up to this point. i do think Pruitt has the best chance of the previous hires to be successful simply because the administration is more stable, and they're applying the correct resources to the program now....People. point being, if he faiils, it won't be because support or resources were an issue. and he's been around winning programs his whole career so far, so if there's a guy that knows what it is supposed to look like, you'd think it's this guy. can he get it to that point? TBD.

can't really say that about any of the previous regimes, even going back to when Fulmer hired Claswsen.......

and that really goes back to the chasm that existed at the AD and Chancellor level. big gap in leadership between Dickey, and now Fulmer as the AD......

and you can already see some positives in the athletic department with the bball programs looking up, especially the mens's...baseball and softball are in good shape. Golf, Tennis, track, swimming/diving....all in relatively good shape as well.

i do think if given some time, this staff will get the football program back to respectibility as well. it's just going to take longer than we thought/wanted....based on what i've seen of the roster the past two seasons.....

 

[SLICKYINC]

You guys that know more about football than I do... What's wrong with our DL? It isn't like the guys playing that position aren't big enough, their huge. So what is the problem? Are they just not talented enough? Are they not explosive enough, lacking quick twitch? Are they not strong enough? Are they using poor technique, not getting proper leverage? What's the deal there?

Yes

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Hell, we’ve basically played this last decade like we were on sanctions. I wish we had the success to go with it.

 

[BruinVol]

It’s TCU. They shouldn’t ever be better than OU, Texas, Ok State etc. he’s a great coach.

But he should be better than Baylor- Iowa- Iowa state-texas tech and others.

He’s had some bad losses lately

 

[Aesius]

And I was in LOVE with Fuentes. They all wouldn’t survive the gauntlet Hegel

It's been pointed out before but if you look at the Coaches Hot Seat website, it's like a who's who of UT candidates.

I'm about ready for us to just go hire Army's guy, run the triple-option, and win 8-9 games a year forever.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Brohm or Doeren wouldn’t stand a chance here.

I like Brohm but agree on Doeren. What I’m just pointing is out that those guys were theoretically safer hires and MAY prove to be better head coaches. But you’re right, that’s not a sure bet.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

It's been pointed out before but if you look at the Coaches Hot Seat website, it's like a who's who of UT candidates.

I'm about ready for us to just go hire Army's guy, run the triple-option, and win 8-9 games a year forever.

That would be UT giving up.