Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

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Nationally, there is a growing sentiment that next year (2021) could be a crazy year for the coaching changes. It has been pointed out several times, things change, we know that with Muschamp going from seemingly safe in mid-October to being fired. The feeling however is that Texas, Michigan and Southern Cal will not make head coaching changes this coming December but that 2021 could very well be the final years for Herman, Harbaugh and Helton. Most people I spoke with believe that as long as Tennessee does not lose to Vanderbilt, Pruitt gets one more year and that while Gus Malzahn is always on the hot seat, he gets another year in Auburn. However a lot of people seem to think at least three of those five jobs will come available next year.

One other rumor starting to circulate more is that LSU ... could ... become open. There are a lot of internal issues at LSU with recent sexual assault allegations as well as photos of Ed Orgeron with what I was told is a significantly younger female. Orgeron did get divorced so there is nothing there infidelity wise but the photos are not exactly the kind you want floating around the internet of a high profile University employee, let alone the head coach of LSU. Also, there is a growing thought (probably right) that Orgeron had everything come together in one year with Joe Burrow, an incredible amount of talent, Joe Brady and Dave Aranda all being the main reason for 15-0 and not actually Orgeron.

Given how this year has gone, many are starting to believe that LSU is not going to simply "recover" to be a National Title contender when Myles Brennen comes back next year because Brady and Aranda are not walking back through the door and while LSU has recruited well, that was a whale of a football team he had last year. Keep an eye on LSU as it could join the list of potential openings after 2021. LSU may very well thank Ed for his contributions and then chase the next big coach.

How does this change the coaching search at South Carolina? I have had two different people tell that some agents are advising their clients to wait things out a year and see what else becomes available. Both Matt Campbell and Luke Fickell want the Michigan job. Hugh Freeze wants Auburn or Tennessee. Billy Napier would like either Tennessee (where he is from) or trying to get in the mix for Auburn or LSU (if either become available). In other words, as 2020 continues to evolve, some coaches may feel it is a better option to wait one more year and play the "coaching carousel lottery," and see what else opens up.

Hugh Freeze should have his QB Malik Willis back again and I have been told he has a pretty good team returning in 2021, his stock is not going to diminish.

Again, I know next to nothing about ULL with Napier but was told his starting QB, top two RBs and one of his top WRs are seniors but maybe he can talk them into coming back given they got a free year. If that is the case, I was told he should have a pretty good team next year also.

I have been told both guys view both Auburn and Tennessee as better jobs and might be told to take their chances and see if they become available next year. That did bring up a debate about what is the better job, South Carolina or Tennessee. The national perception is still that Tennessee is the better job however....

When discussing the South Carolina job, the overall perception is that it is one of the top 20 jobs in the country. The facilities are in the top half of the SEC, the recruiting base is solid, the Athletic Director (Ray Tanner) is a "coaches Athletic Director" and will give full support to his coach and not undermine him or try to limit what he wants or needs. I got into a conversation about fan bases and one agent said "look, it's the SEC, South Carolina's fan base is no more passionate than Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia, Florida," ..... in other words "passionate fan base" isn't one of the top draws because everyone in the SEC has that.

One other note from all of this that I have talked with agents is asking price. A guy like Billy Napier or Hugh Freeze might want more reassurance from South Carolina and may command closer to 4 million dollars from South Carolina while maybe willing to take less (say 3.3 million) from an Auburn or Tennessee. In the lifetime of a contract, we are talking maybe 700K a year over 5 years so, that is maybe an extra 3.5 million South Carolina would have to pay up front. Just a note on how some of this maybe playing out behind the scenes financially.
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-William Gunter (USC 247)
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
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Tennessee is a much better job than South Carolina. To act like there’s any debate about it is asinine.

There are going to be more openings this year. Michigan is definitely going to be open.

But yeah, Auburn, LSU and USC might wait til next season.

Also, South Carolina isn’t going to pay more than Tennessee will for Hugh Freeze or Billy Napier as they are trying to spin.
 
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Aesius said:
This is why it makes sense to make a move on Freeze this year. Don't wait for the coaching carousel to start in earnest with multiple blue bloods looking for a guy. Once the dominoes start falling we will end up with McGoogleMe for sure.
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I’m with you on this. Strike when you can, whether it’s Freeze or some other coach.

You don’t want LSU and Auburn open while you’re trying to hire someone with ties to the south.

South Carolina and Vanderbilt are irrelevant.
 
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Aesius said:
This is why it makes sense to make a move on Freeze this year. Don't wait for the coaching carousel to start in earnest with multiple blue bloods looking for a guy. Once the dominoes start falling we will end up with McGoogleMe for sure.
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And paying coach Mac 6 million per
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Tennessee is a much better job than South Carolina. To act like there’s any debate about it is asinine.

There are going to be more openings this year. Michigan is definitely going to be open.

But yeah, Auburn, LSU and USC might wait til next season.

Also, South Carolina isn’t going to pay more than Tennessee will for Hugh Freeze or Billy Napier as they are trying to spin.
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Okay I’m with you. Misunderstood what you were trying to say there
 
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VolGee4 said:
Hugh Freeze got a raise to $3 million. He’s not going anywhere for 3.3. He will get 4-5.
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Relevance in a big conference and beating the next Bear Bryant on the regular is worth more than the maximum amount of any kind of money!....get freeze on the Horn📞...now!
 
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