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De La Cloobs said:
Interesting to see Freeze that high up while Kiffin and Steele are that far down.
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Yeah, I think Steele has to be the odds on favorite to be our coach next year. I think Kiffin may be down the list due to the fact that he has only been at Ole Miss one year, but I have some inside information that this is not a problem for him.
 
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LA Vol said:
UT would have self-imposed the bowl ban and minimal scholarship reductions. I can see the NCAA wanting to up that somewhat. There's just too much there-- and the NCAA knows when the violations permeate throughout the program, there's more out there. Falling on the sword doesn't always help. I think any coach not willing to ride out a mess and rebuild a roster that could get worse will consider the risk/reward at UT right now.
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This is the reason I think Hugh Freeze makes sense right now. If we’re going to get sanctioned, why not do it with a winning coach. Both institution and coach rehab their reputations together. Tennessee is going to be under the microscope anyway.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Why the 21 class? Its in the books. I guess you have to determine what's tier 1 vs tier 2. I think realistic and by realistic I mean would come here, tier 1 coaches are LK and HF. Both will be there next year. Kitten will have given OM 2 years making it easier to leave. Freeze would be one more year removed from his shenanigans. Other hot, young coaches will emerge. Chadwell will have another year under his belt. I think in a year the job would be more attractive.
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Pissing away the ‘22 class would be more devastating to the future of UT football than a 2 year bowl ban and 2-3 scholarship reduction for 2-4 years.
 
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VolInDayton said:
In addition to whatever the NCAA finds, do you think that potiental coaches might be concerned of coming to a school that used recruiting to violations to terminate a coach without buyout? Seems like not great business practice.
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I think it all comes into play. UT hasn't been a stable place in a while. It's a rebuild on a rebuild on a rebuild on a rebuild. How many players will leave? Will UT grant releases? How bad is the culture? How long will it take to fix? How will recruiting be impacted? So many questions and uncertainties right now. Some won't want a piece of that.
 
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Jimmy Football said:
This is a possibility, unfortunately.

But the way I see it, the NCAA has to tread carefully here. This a high profile case that a lot of other schools will be paying attention to. The Power 5 schools are already talking about ditching the NCAA for the big sports. If they hammer a school that self-reported to the extent we did, then let the head coach skate, not only will schools realize there’s no value in self-reporting, they’ll also have to wonder for who’s interest the NCAA is really working.
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I agree the "perception" of the NCAA slamming us when we self reported is our best hope.

The bolded part of your comment has long been concluded. The NCAA "interest" has been with their cash cows. (Blue Bloods in Basketball and Sabin in Football).
 
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Kingston Vol said:
I think it's pretty obvious we will be put on probation of some sort. We will self impose a bowl ban, which doesn't matter anyway because we don't make important bowl games.

The real issue is scholarship limitations. If that's on the table, and I'm sure it is, any coach who can wait a year will wait on another job.
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From what I've read and heard on Nashville sports talk is that if they get a bowl ban they also forfeit their share of the Conference's bowl money (which was like $8million in 2019). You're right that we haven't played in important bowl games in a while, but that's a hefty slap on the wrist to give yourself.
 
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utvols88 said:
It sacrifices the 22 class for no reason though
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Only if you end up hiring the same guy you would have hired now. Also, who's to say any of these guys kill it in recruiting? A giant spot light will be placed on recruiting which will make it harder to venture into gray areas. I seriously doubt we do any better on that instate 22 class than Pruitt has done. We'll be lucky to get 1/2 of our wants in state..
 
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VQ guys made a good point today. How do you make Kevin Steele interim for a year of you are dealing with half a staff, at most? You are going to let your interim coach go hire a full staff?

They do not believe we will have an interim coach going into next season. Only way Steele hires a staff is if you make him full HC with no interim tag.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Why the 21 class? Its in the books. I guess you have to determine what's tier 1 vs tier 2. I think realistic and by realistic I mean would come here, tier 1 coaches are LK and HF. Both will be there next year. Kitten will have given OM 2 years making it easier to leave. Freeze would be one more year removed from his shenanigans. Other hot, young coaches will emerge. Chadwell will have another year under his belt. I think in a year the job would be more attractive.
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Well, there is a late signing day which I guess includes transfers where I would assume Steele/new coach would want to make some moves. But I see no reason to be cavalier about the 2022 class.

And yes, nobody is going anywhere, but with CCU and Ole Miss possibly having top 25 seasons, they’ll get more expensive and we’ll have more competition. The AD well hire will have a experience - they likely already know who they think is the right guy, or at least have it down to a couple. And Hugh Freeze won’t coach here - they made that clear yesterday without actually saying it.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
If they go fishing and no upper tier coach bites, do you let Steele interim next season to let the smoke die down? I say that because I think that's what is about to happen. Recruiting that '22 class will be all but impossible. That early signing period hurts us yet again but you can't make a hurried hire for one recruiting class.
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Were gonna hire a new coach. Steele won’t be interim all year.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Only if you end up hiring the same guy you would have hired now. Also, who's to say any of these guys kill it in recruiting? A giant spot light will be placed on recruiting which will make it harder to venture into gray areas. I seriously doubt we do any better on that instate 22 class than Pruitt has done. We'll be lucky to get 1/2 of our wants in state..
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That's my point. If there's a different target, please share. But the pool is more than good enough right now. Don't see it getting much better
 
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InVOLuntary said:
If they go fishing and no upper tier coach bites, do you let Steele interim next season to let the smoke die down? I say that because I think that's what is about to happen. Recruiting that '22 class will be all but impossible. That early signing period hurts us yet again but you can't make a hurried hire for one recruiting class.
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Fans won't come, donations will not be made because the product will stink for at least two years until they do make a competent hire. So they lose even more of their core fan base with a decision like that.

We know better. Good coaches will come if the sanctions are light to moderate and the numbers are right on the contract.
 
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KB5252 said:
He'd be leaving way too much money on the table, has he expressed interest in coaching. I know he had in broadcasting.
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If he truly wants to coach like some have mentioned. He’s going to have to start somewhere. Broadcasting isn’t his thing, imo.
 
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OrangeDrip said:
Then the people making the hire are idiots. Freeze has a checkered past yes...he’s also paid for those sins. He’s won everywhere he’s been. At the end of the day, I think I speak for most fans when I say the most important thing that the head coach at UT has to do is win. Nobody cares if he’s a choir boy if we’re winning.

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Yes they do care because of the pending NCAA sanctions. It’s a bad look and would be a hypocritical move by the university regarding the integrity of the football program.
 
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MrVolton said:
Pissing away the ‘22 class would be more devastating to the future of UT football than a 2 year bowl ban and 2-3 scholarship reduction for 2-4 years.
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You're making an assumption that we'll recruit well in that 22 class. This is identical when we hurriedly hired Dooley to salvage that recruiting class.
 
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jp1 said:
Thats true but it was going on right under a coach's nose and nothing was done. Pretty much the same.
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Right under the coach's nose is an understatement.. It was in the damn stadium, after the game on national TV... 🤣😂🤣
 
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