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HankHill said:
He’s been available since he left OU....where OU people were beyond ready to see him go.

I’m not saying he’s Dooley or Pruitt. He was a very good coach at one point in time. He would be a good hire but i believe he is miles away from urban Meyer who is a comparable example. If we’re ponying up 8-10 mil... i want to go steal someone’s coach that is winning now.
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Bold is all you have to say Hank, trying to downgrade the man’s accomplishments make you look crazy. He found & handed OU Riley too.

But OU only has 1 Natty since 1985, so I doubt Stoops is seen as anything but a legend there.
 
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mrmax86 said:
With Luke Fickell, you're getting an OSU Alum who will probably always see that as his dream job. Can we have long-term success with him? I get he has done great things at Cincinnati. But also, do we want to sign on to accept yet another coach from Cincinnati?
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You hire the best guy and don't worry about when he might leave on his own. In before we tried that with Kiffin. If you keep worrying about stuff like that, you end up with Kevin Steele.
 
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Guys I know yall are probably going to disown me and send me off to the football forum , but after much thought on this I am in Steeles corner. I mean the 2 coaches we all want is Freeze or Kiffin. In my opinion the only route to being able to hire either one of these guys is still 2 or 3 years down the road. Steele rights the ship for a few years and navigates us through the sanctions and all. He probably goes 500 over that time span then steps down and we go get our big name. I think we will be fine in recruiting also Steele will recruit at the same level or maybe even better than we have been doing over the last decade. I think this is our best play. Not to panic and take a step back. OK I know yall hate me now...lol
 
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matts42012 said:
What’s that
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See @SpringBokVol post:
SpringBokVol said:
Too good not to share - from Stoerner Fumbles:

A couple of quick updates from inadmissible hearsay from a very unreliable source who speaks very little English and wishes he never met me: Search firm is moving in overdrive. My friend says they are doing background checks and character interviews on AD candidates already. While it seems to be the journalists’ opinion that an AD won’t be hired until mid February, my friend says he can’t see it going more than a week. He says that there is the most organized group behind how to hire that there has been on any search. There is also the most money prepared to hire someone. He guessed that there is over 40mm to hire a coach on a five plus year contract. He said that the university has the be careful in how they handle the hire. It needs to be perceived as a thoughtful response to the past infractions, or it won’t play well with the NCAA or SEC. Right now, we’re in hot water with both. On Pruitt, my friend said there is a real sadness for the damage done. Some of those fired in compliance were kids following orders. Many of them were told what to say, and then fired for saying it. Players and signees were assured by Pruitt and Fulmer that things would be ok, and he would not be fired. Phil resigned as much for that as he did for Pruitt’s failure. For all Phil’s mistakes, I think he may regret the last few weeks of fighting for Pruitt the most. People who know him say he’s crushed and in a daze. To be clear, Pruitt’s failure was epic, and began on day one. In the early days Pruitt treated AD staff, compliance and even professors like they served the team. Prior to Plowman, more than one person elevated concerns that Pruitt and Nieds practices were too egregious and would be caught. Those concerns were ignored. Many were rooting for him to fail, and many expected it. Pruitt’s style is to use his allegiance of players, and threats to micromanage others. Many of our on the field failures were him making a point. Friend pushed back on cross-training all linemen like high schoolers, and Pruitt tripled cross-training them. Look at West Virginia game for results. This year, Chaney designed three core plays for Shrout without discussing with Pruitt. He used them in a scrimmage, and blew away the D. While it’s a common thing for OC and DC to try things in a scrimmage, Pruitt threw a public fit, and said we’d never see those plays in a game. Pruitt changed starting DL lineup before KY game, and humiliated Brumbaugh in front of team and fired him. Look at the score for the results. This is the kind of thing he was willing to do just to make a point. In the conference people perceive that Nieds and Pruitt created an “arms race” on player payment. (More hearsay) Big signees families typically were given a standard payment in many tens of thousands. There are even instances of players receiving money and signing elsewhere. It will be interesting to see how much of this the NCAA wants to face. UT is on the record after the investigation. Many other coaches know who else plays dirty. The money and power will not want a light shined or Georgia or Bama. Given that Georgia is where some paid players landed, it will be harder for them to hide. The NCAA will be very cautious in how they handle us given the possibility of opening more wounds by digging too deep. That said, our list of level one and two violations is a long one. As for current coaches, they aren’t being given much communication or support for understanding what’s next. Frankly they don’t even know who to listen to. Steele is the key communication point for players. He’s doing a good job. Pruitt spoke highly of him in his message to players. They see Steele as trustworthy. Look for the university to hire an AD quickly, and to make a big offer to a coach with a good reputation and long track record. If you can imagine a candidate selling glitter-coated bibles at a strip club, he probably isn’t getting hired. We probably won’t be hiring Joey Freshwater, Jamey Jet Ski or Reverend Blindside. I’m not judging the quality of those guys as coaches, but no one expects the Chancellor to ride with the devil on this one. Consensus seems to be they are going to pay serious money for a very experienced candidate who will sign a long term deal. Some of the names being discussed are very impressive. I have no idea how realistic they are. If they succeed with that tier, we’ll all be very happy. If they move down a level, expect stability over glitz. Strange times on the hill.
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You start off with Graham, Steele, Garner, and add the solid HC and a OC that will play to our roster's strengths and roll.... If Chaney stays, we'll know by fall practice if it was Pruitt or him going with the 1987 playbook. If Chaney will adjust, I could stomach that for a while with a great surrounding staff... Main thing is get the Weinkster out of K-town ASAP.
 
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mr.checkerboards said:
I hate hate hate Chadwell, but to me besides AV's F U money post that is where this is trending.
1. He doesn't have good ties, so let Steele build the defensive staff.
2. Someone who would likely stay for 10 years because he really doesn't deserve
3. A coach who's probably not scared of violations because its going to take him years to build anyways.
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Or it’s the smart thing to do. Steele knows the ins and outs of the SEC and bring his staff on board takes that much more off Chadwell.

How does he not deserve a shot?


See this is exactly the mindset that leads Tennessee fans to say I wish we hire that guy when we had the chance. He’s kicking ass now...
 
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Dudleys87 said:
Or it’s the smart thing to do. Steele knows the ins and outs of the SEC and bring his staff on board takes that much more off Chadwell.

How does he not deserve a shot?


See this is exactly the mindset that leads Tennessee fans to say I wish we hire that guy when we had the chance. He’s kicking ass now...
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Or you've been a dumpster fire for 10 years, know the fans are about to give up, so you find the money to win now and give the fans a reason to stay.
This isn't the time for an experiment.
 
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quadlee21 said:
Guys I know yall are probably going to disown me and send me off to the football forum , but after much thought on this I am in Steeles corner. I mean the 2 coaches we all want is Freeze or Kiffin. In my opinion the only route to being able to hire either one of these guys is still 2 or 3 years down the road. Steele rights the ship for a few years and navigates us through the sanctions and all. He probably goes 500 over that time span then steps down and we go get our big name. I think we will be fine in recruiting also Steele will recruit at the same level or maybe even better than we have been doing over the last decade. I think this is our best play. Not to panic and take a step back. OK I know yall hate me now...lol
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