Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[Smokeytom]

Did you wear the same 'fabulous' shirt ?

T’was shirtless and shortless watching the grill in nothing but my 2 undrs most the day.

 

[tnhunter 10]

Anything about PRP or Stem Cell injections into the wrist for carpal tunnel? I’m 28 with a mild case and I really want to avoid the steroid shots.

 

[HankHill]

Above my paygrade, I'm sure some more technical folks could answer better. I just remember Pruitt adopted Saban's DL philosophy...hold gaps and contact with OL until you see where the play is going, then rip away and attack. I'd guess the difference is we are just attacking and not waiting to hold the gap....? Could be way off here...

@HankHill

Elevator summary: I’m only going to touch on DL play but the entire defense is tied to different ways to fit runs so again this is a really really simplified version of it.

There’s two ways to play DL and both can be done from 3 down or 4 down.

1. Attack react
2. React attack.

1. When you play attack react, you are usually responsible for 1 gap and you are shooting it and trying to penetrate and cut off the play and “funnel” the ball back inside. Ie: you’re a DT playing a 3T …As soon as the ball is turned over you’re trying to penetrate through the B gap.

2. When you’re playing react attack, you have a primary and a secondary gap. You don’t want to penetrate you want to attack the OL and force him to stay flat/square so there’s no creases to run through and try to spill the ball outside and to your LBs/DBs, however you might be fitting it.

Attack react usually gives way for more TFLs but more susceptible to big plays especially on QB reads (zone, power, counter), zone cutback, or trap schemes.

And react attack usually comes with less TFLs but is a safer way to play, if you have the guys that can truly 2 gap.

but both can be done from virtually any front for example

Dave Aranda and DJ Eliot play virtually the same base 3 down defense but Dave plays react attack and DJ plays attack react.

Georgia when they play their mint/tite front 3 down they are purely react attack and have been the best rushing defense in the country.

Ohio state and Clemson are 3 and 4 down , attack react and make a bunch a big plays but also can get gashed particularly by running QBs.

again very very basic explanation but that’s an elementary version of it.

Hope y’all are doing well!

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

So you're telling me you can't fix my back?

Didn’t say that, just that I would not use PRP or stem cell…

 

[HankHill]

Interesting tidbit from P. Brown. This jives with what either AP or Hubbs said earlier, that Milton/Hooker were more accurate so far.

Milton probably starting and Hooker 2. But could change. HB won’t start.

 

[RikidyBones]

Edit: Yours Truly’d

Praise Moses.

 

[Smokeytom]

Elevator summary: I’m only going to touch on DL play but the entire defense is tied to different ways to fit runs so again this is a really really simplified version of it.

There’s two ways to play DL and both can be done from 3 down or 4 down.

1. Attack react
2. React attack.

1. When you play attack react, you are usually responsible for 1 gap and you are shooting it and trying to penetrate and cut off the play and “funnel” the ball back inside. Ie: you’re a DT playing a 3T …As soon as the ball is turned over you’re trying to penetrate through the B gap.

2. When you’re playing react attack, you have a primary and a secondary gap. You don’t want to penetrate you want to attack the OL and force him to stay flat/square so there’s no creases to run through and try to spill the ball outside and to your LBs/DBs, however you might be fitting it.

Attack react usually gives way for more TFLs but more susceptible to big plays especially on QB reads (zone, power, counter), zone cutback, or trap schemes.

And react attack usually comes with less TFLs but is a safer way to play, if you have the guys that can truly 2 gap.

but both can be done from virtually any front for example

Dave Aranda and DJ Eliot play virtually the same base 3 down defense but Dave plays react attack and DJ plays attack react.

Georgia when they play their mint/tite front 3 down they are purely react attack and have been the best rushing defense in the country.

Ohio state and Clemson are 3 and 4 down , attack react and make a bunch a big plays but also can get gashed particularly by running QBs.

again very very basic explanation but that’s an elementary version of it.

Hope y’all are doing well!

Prefer the attack react method personally. Modern offenses are hard to consistently stop. Negative plays, turnovers, and redzone defense. Havoc between the 20s. FGs only in the RZ. That’s what I want to see.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

I can’t take Benadryl - makes my heart “flutter” - does the same to my daughter.

What about Zyrtec or hydroxyzine? Both with milder side effects that Benadryl.

 

[HankHill]

Prefer the attack react method personally. Modern offenses are hard to consistently stop. Negative plays, turnovers, and redzone defense. Havoc between the 20s. FGs only in the RZ. That’s what I want to see.

Just all depends on personnel. It will help some guys like Roman, Baron, etc and be tougher on some guys like Simmons or Garland imo.

Penn state under Brent Pry has been one of the highest pressure usage teams in the country so i would expect we are up there this year especially since i believe we have the secondary to handle it.

 

[engineerVOL]

Bailey may have been surrounded by phenomenal athletes at Marietta but you can definitely see in his practice clips and last year that he’s extremely accurate, more so than the other two….But I get why he is not the guy for this offense though. He can not throw across or down the field the way Milton does.

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

NOBUs female talent is in a whole different level… the ladies that go in there…. Whew

Maybe have to tell my single nephew that…

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

So if the high school coaches weren't fond of Pruitt, why did @de1conley and NPA love him so much?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

[C-town Vol]

Just all depends on personnel. It will help some guys like Roman, Baron, etc and be tougher on some guys like Simmons or Garland imo.

Penn state under Brent Pry has been one of the highest pressure usage teams in the country so i would expect we are up there this year especially since i believe we have the secondary to handle it.

I would think, with a more talented player on the interior, the react attack would be ideal. If your guy is strong and athletic enough, he can handle the OL and make plays.

With the less talented player, the attack react allows them to be very aggressive which helps mitigate some of their talent deficiency.

Thoughts?

 

[VolsDoc81TX]

It does not work, no matter how strong the guys arm is IF he is inaccurate on those throws.

I don't know, but I think we are overestimating the potential of this offense with these QBs..it seems like we don't have a great choice to me. If any of them were very good, they would be shredding this mediocre at best defense in practice...it doesn't sound like any of them are to me.

Dang McGill, you’re bringing me down. I have really lowered my expectations now. 14-1.



Ha, just kidding! 15-0

 

[lilesrt]

Anonymous coach from Nashville calls Jeremy Pruitt a 'low class human being'

He’s gone. Let it go.

 

[InVOLuntary]

Anything about PRP or Stem Cell injections into the wrist for carpal tunnel? I’m 28 with a mild case and I really want to avoid the steroid shots.

Quit..., oh never mind.

 

[HankHill]

I would think, with a more talented player on the interior, the react attack would be ideal. If you guys is strong and athletic enough, he can handle the OL and make plays.

With the less talented player, the attack react allows them to be very aggressive which helps mitigate some of their talent deficiency.

Thoughts?

For sure especially if you are 3 down and play two 4is and a true N… that N really needs to be a monster to be able to anchor on Double teams.

But that’s not to say the other are less talented. They are just different.

 

[volfaninpa]

Bailey and Hendon will be 2a/2b.

If Bailey believes Milton has beaten him out fairly, then he would be wise to remain at least until the end of the season before making a decision.

 

[Vols4us]

Prefer the attack react method personally. Modern offenses are hard to consistently stop. Negative plays, turnovers, and redzone defense. Havoc between the 20s. FGs only in the RZ. That’s what I want to see.

Agree. That's a lot of what Heup's teams did at UCF. Will see if Banks plans the same method.

 

[C-town Vol]

For sure especially if you are 3 down and play two 4is and a true N… that N really needs to be a monster to be able to anchor on Double teams.

But that’s not to say the other are less talented. They are just different.

For the time being, I like the idea of us going attack react. Between the Shoop era and Pruitt era, it feels like our defenses have been too complex. Let’s keep it simple and aggressive.

 

[scienceteaching_vol]

Big facts! If you was a bit quicker you might have made it as a LB at the next level

To be a small school we had a few D1 bodies on the team, especially your last season when we went 10-0!

No cap (had to use that phrase since my students taught it to me today)! For those ignorant folk like me it means "No lie".

I had great lateral movement and quick feet but 40 time was too slow for the big leagues.

 

[Catbone]

Gotta be close to 35-40 total transfers and quitters this off season.

 

[yourstruly23]

Gotta be close to 35-40 total transfers and quitters this off season.

Maurer makes 38 I think

 

[Catbone]

Maurer makes 38 I think

That's absolutely unreal. I hate the term year zero, but this is TOTALLY a year zero. 5 year rebuild

 

[Ttucke11]

Bailey and Hendon will be 2a/2b.

If Bailey believes Milton has beaten him out fairly, then he would be wise to remain at least until the end of the season before making a decision.

He should just stay in general. Milton could be gone after this year, and Hooker is gone no matter what. It could be Bailey v Freshman Jackson next year. We might need a transfer QB or a second one in this class.